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January 6 Hearings Live

Nothin' beats sittin' down to the most beautiful slice of chocolate cake you ever saw with the slob who called your wife a dog and your dad a Kennedy killer. Or is that not chocolate frosting around Ted's yapper?
 
Former Defense Secretary Changes Story On When Exactly He Deployed National Guard On Jan. 6 | Talking Points Memo
Miller, who said that he was reluctant to commit troops to the Capitol partly out of fears that it would be perceived as a coup attempt, gave conflicting accounts to lawmakers on when exactly the order to send troops to the Capitol was given.
then
Kate Riga on Twitter: "Here's the story from me and @JoshKovensky about Miller's shifting on key facts here, and attempts to pass the buck to William Walker, commanding general of the DC National Guard (link)" / Twitter
then
Kate Riga on Twitter: "Wow. AOC just backed ex-acting SecDef Miller into admitting that he didn't approve plan for the Nat Guard to deploy on 1/6 until 4:32, a difference from his claim that he ordered deployment at 3. That 4:32 order came after he talked to Pence (after calls from many panicked Dems)" / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "According to DoD timelines of 1/6: ..." / Twitter
According to DoD timelines of 1/6:

1:05pm - Insurrectionist movements towards Capitol reported
1:26pm - USCP orders evac
1:34-3:19pm- Calls from DC Mayor, Pelosi, Schumer to Army Sec for help. No change.

Nat’l Guard commander Maj. Gen. Walker didn’t get approval until *5:08pm*

So what happened between 3:19pm and 5:08pm on Jan 6th?

4:08pm: Pence makes an urgent call. He told the Sec of Defense to “Clear the Capitol.”

At 4:32pm, hours after seige began but minutes after Pence call, the SecDef gave *verbal* authorization to send Nat Guard to Capitol

But even after that 4:32pm verbal auth, Maj Gen Walker testified he wasn’t notified of authorization to send Nat Guard to Capitol until 5:08pm.

Capitol complex wasn’t secure until 8pm.

The answers Trump’s acting SecDef gave for delays are not sufficient at all. Big q’s here.
Good work in highlighting a remarkably negligent response. Something like her with former Trump assistant Michael Cohen.
 
Opinion | Chuck Todd litigates the ‘big lie’ with GOP lawmaker - The Washington Post
Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-TX
Rep. Dan Crenshaw wants to move on. “Let’s debate environmental policy. Let’s debate health-care policy . . . border policy. I’ll go toe to toe with you on all of those,” said the Texas Republican toward the end of an interview with NBC News’s Chuck Todd on Sunday’s “Meet the Press.”
CT asked how the Republican Party can have any credibility. Then CT showed a clip of Liz Cheney saying “For Republicans to be in a position where we can stop those policies, we’ve got to be able to tell people, ‘You can trust us. You can trust us to be based around conservative principles and to reject the lie and to protect the Constitution.’ ”
Speaking of this “big lie” about the election, Todd noted that Crenshaw was among the 125-plus lawmakers who signed a friend-of-the-court brief backing up the lawsuit from the Texas attorney general seeking to overturn the election results in four crucial swing states. The suit claimed that Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin had made hasty changes to election procedures without the approval of their state legislatures. The remedy it advised was galling: Throw the decision to the state legislatures themselves. And disenfranchise millions of voters.
DC responded “You guys in the press painted that as some extreme action and, of course, it wasn’t. That amicus brief was a simple question of the Supreme Court in saying, ‘Can you please speak to this question of whether, of whether process changes in the election last minute, not approved by the legislature, can be deemed constitutional?’ It was a question.”

As if it was all the fault of the news media. Whatever happened to conservatives' claimed belief in taking responsibility for one's actions? Nothing is ever their fault, it seems.

He also said “We’re five months into President Biden’s presidency, and there is a time to move on. And look, the — you guys in the press love doing this, and I, and I get it, right? The press is largely liberal. They’re largely . . . pro-Democrat.”

More victimhood. Calling oneself a victim is a no-no, right?
 
Opinion | As Arizona Republicans erupt over Trump’s lies, a big truth is exposed - The Washington Post
In recent days, Republicans have begun offering a comical new line of spin: The very idea that Republicans remain committed to Donald Trump’s lie that his 2020 loss was illegitimate is just your imagination. Republicans do accept that President Biden was legitimately elected, say these Republicans.
Then Rep. Dan Crenshaw claiming that it is the media that is keeping the notion alive that Republicans consider the 2020 elections fraudulent.
In saying this, Crenshaw echoed House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s (R-Calif.) claim last week: “I don’t think anyone is questioning the legitimacy of the election.”
Then where are Republicans about the Arizona recount currently going on?

From the Desk of Donald J. Trump: The entire Database of Maricopa County in Arizona has been DELETED! | Donald J. Trump
The entire Database of Maricopa County in Arizona has been DELETED! This is illegal and the Arizona State Senate, who is leading the Forensic Audit, is up in arms. Additionally, seals were broken on the boxes that hold the votes, ballots are missing, and worse. Mark Brnovich, the Attorney General of Arizona, will now be forced to look into this unbelievable Election crime. Many Radical Left Democrats and weak Republicans are very worried about the fact that this has been exposed. The DELETION of an entire Database and critical Election files of Maricopa County is unprecedented. Many other States to follow. The Mainstream Media and Radical Left Democrats want to stay as far away as possible from the Presidential Election Fraud, which should be one of the biggest stories of our time. Fox News is afraid to cover it—there is rarely a mention. Likewise, Newsmax has been virtually silent on this subject because they are intimidated by threats of lawsuits. One America News (OAN), one of the fastest growing networks on television, and the “hottest”, is doing a magnificent job of exposing the massive fraud that took place. The story is only getting bigger and at some point it will be impossible for the weak and/or corrupt media not to cover. Thank you to OAN and other brave American Patriots. It is all happening quickly!
Stephen Richer—Maricopa Cnty Recorder (prsnl acct) on Twitter: "Wow. ..." / Twitter
Wow. This is unhinged. I’m literally looking at our voter registration database on my other screen. Right now.

We can’t indulge these insane lies any longer. As a party. As a state. As a country.

This is as readily falsifiable as 2+2=5. If we don’t call this out...
Back to the article.
This recount has been outsourced to a firm whose founder has promoted nonsense about the election being fraudulent, demonstrating that it’s only about further casting doubt on the outcome.

That Trump has endorsed this audit, claiming it will show “Presidential Election Fraud,” only confirms this to be its real aim.
 
Opinion | As Arizona Republicans erupt over Trump’s lies, a big truth is exposed - The Washington Post

The article then mentions several offramps, several opportunities for rejecting Trump, all opportunities that the Republican Party rejected.
  • Republicans could have held Trump accountable for subverting the nation’s foreign policy to strong-arm a vulnerable ally into helping him corrupt the 2020 election. Virtually all voted against impeachment and conviction.
  • Republicans could have acknowledged Biden’s victory and defused Trump’s lies about the outcome at the outset. Many waited weeks before doing so grudgingly, and the elevation of Stefanik to House leadership — and removal of Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming — shows their devotion to continuing to seed doubts about it.
  • Republicans could have voted en masse to confirm Biden’s electors in Congress as an endorsement of the integrity of the election. One hundred and forty-seven House Republicans did not.
  • Republicans could be forcefully declaring that Trump’s lies incited the Jan. 6 insurrection, and that democracy depends on a willingness to accept election losses. Though McCarthy and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) initially made such noises, they’ve gone quiet on that front, and many Republicans are hurtling in the opposite direction, claiming Trump didn’t inspire the violence, that the insurrectionists weren’t Trump supporters, and that the attack was no biggie.
The Jan-6 attacks are due to Antifa and not a big issue. Just like the coronavirus, due to China and not a big issue.
 
Antifa went to a rally for Trump in DC and cheered for Trump as opposed to protesting him.

Why?

Antifa broke into the Capitol.

Why?

Antifa cared about the BIG LIE.

When?
 
Congresswoman Greene defends ‘ABUSED’ Capitol rioters - YouTube
During a House session Tuesday, Georgia Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene opposed the investigation into the events of January 6th, expressing empathy with the 'abused' Capitol rioters.
She devoted much of her floor speech to discussing the protests and riots of last summer, and whining about the alleged lack of investigation into them.

She also called Ashli Babbitt a victim - AB was shot by a cop and ended up dying. MTG then whined about what terrible conditions some of the insurrectionists were held in, as opposed to many of the protesters and rioters of last summer.

Photo emerges of Republican barricading chamber doors during US Capitol attack after he compared rioters to ‘tourists’
A Republican congressman who denied there was an insurrection and likened Capitol rioters to tourists was photographed barricading the chamber doors against them

That was Rep. Andrew Clyde, R-GA-09, who recently claimed that the attacks were like a "normal tourist visit".
Tom Williams on Twitter: "The Rep. Clyde news reminded me of this:

UNITED STATES - JANUARY 6: Rep. Andrew Clyde, R-Ga., second from top left, helps barricade the House chamber door as rioters disrupt the joint session of Congress to certify the Electoral College vote on January 6, 2021. (pic link)" / Twitter

Just like Rep. Nancy Mace, R-SC-01, someone who called AOC a drama queen, even though she hid in her office.
 
McCarthy races to contain GOP defections on Jan. 6 commission - POLITICO - "It’s the most recent high-profile, Trump-related fissure to emerge among House Republicans."
Dozens of Republicans are privately considering voting for the Jan. 6 commission — which McCarthy himself said he opposed earlier Tuesday, even after he deputized one of his allies, Rep. John Katko of New York, to strike a bipartisan agreement on the proposal. In a sign of momentum, the bipartisan House Problem Solvers Caucus, of which Katko is a member, formally voted to endorse the legislation Tuesday evening.

Just days after GOP leaders decided they wouldn’t force their members’ hands either way, McCarthy and his leadership team issued an informal “leadership recommendation” ahead of the Wednesday vote, urging a “no” vote to help contain defections in their party. Former President Donald Trump also sought to shut down the commission on the eve of the floor vote, calling it a "Democrat trap" and urging Republicans to get "much tougher and much smarter."

"This discussion should be ended immediately," he said in a statement, which could help push wavering GOP lawmakers into the "no" camp.

But back then,
New details about Trump-McCarthy shouting match show Trump refused to call off the rioters - CNNPolitics
n an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the US Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.

"Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy.

McCarthy insisted that the rioters were Trump's supporters and begged Trump to call them off.
They seem like they have battered-partner syndrome, that they are desperate to please Trump, no matter how nasty Trump is to them.
 
Rachel Maddow talks to Carol Leonnig.
Rachel Maddow talks about Carol Leonnig.
Ms. Leonnig, winner of three Pulitzer winners, started her investigation of the Secret Service with Hookergate in Columbia under Obama. (This scandal might not have come to light except that one agent refused to pay his hooker and Columbian police were called in.) But this was the tip of the iceberg of Secret Service problems. A rather large number of Secret Service agents took the side of the Jan. 6 insurrectionists, wearing MAGA hats etc. (Fortunately many of these have by now been removed from Presidential Protection duties.)
 
Graham: 'I accept the results of the election' | TheHill
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said on Monday that he accepts the results of the 2020 election, and urged Republicans, including former President Donald Trump, to focus on the upcoming midterm where the party wants to win back control of Congress.

“I accept the results of the election. ... 2020 is over to me, I'm ready to march on and hopefully take back the House and the Senate in 2022,” Graham told reporters in South Carolina.

Graham’s comments come as Trump has remained focused on the 2020 election, doubling down on his false claim that it was “stolen.” Trump’s legal team has lost dozens of challenges in court and GOP state officials along with former Attorney General William Barr have dismissed suggestions of widespread fraud, but that has done nothing to lower Trump’s rhetoric
What will Trump say about him and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy?
 
H.R.3233 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): National Commission to Investigate the January 6 Attack on the United States Capitol Complex Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
Summary:
This bill establishes in the legislative branch the National Commission to Investigate the January 6 Attack on the United States Capitol Complex.

The commission must (1) conduct an investigation of the relevant facts and circumstances relating to the attack on the Capitol; (2) identify, review, and evaluate the causes of and the lessons learned from this attack; and (3) submit specified reports containing findings, conclusions, and recommendations to improve the detection, prevention, preparedness for, and response to targeted violence and domestic terrorism and improve the security posture of the U.S. Capitol Complex.

The bill gives the commission specified powers, including the authority to hold hearings, receive evidence, and issue subpoenas. The bill also provides for the composition of the commission and the appointment of staff, and it requires the commission to hold public hearings and meetings to the extent that it is appropriate. The commission must also release public versions of its reports.
The bill was introduced by Rep. Thompson, Bennie G. D-MS-02 on 05/14/2021
Its only cosponsor is Rep. Katko, John R-NY-24, and he is an original one.

It was passed in the House:
Roll Call 154 | Bill Number: H. R. 3233
May 19, 2021, 06:49 PM | 117th Congress, 1st Session

The vote:
  • D: Y 217, nv 2
  • R: Y 35, N 175, nv: 1
  • Total: Y 252, N 175, nv: 3
Next stop: the Senate.

I decided to compare with "Impeaching Donald John Trump, President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors":
Roll Call 17 | Bill Number: H. Res. 24
Jan 13, 2021, 04:33 PM | 117th Congress, 1st Session

The vote:
  • D: Y 222
  • R: Y 10, N 197, nv 4
  • Total: Y 232, N 197, nv 4
Every Republican who voted for impeachment also voted to establish this commission.
 
Antifa went to a rally for Trump in DC and cheered for Trump as opposed to protesting him.

Why?

Antifa broke into the Capitol.

Why?

Antifa cared about the BIG LIE.

When?
ANTIFA wants the right-wing to look so bad, they conspired to get Trump elected in 2016 and then had a fake Trump rally with Trump speaking at it, and then invaded the Capitol to make it look like it was the right-wingers all along.

These people also believed in a pizzeria scandal, that the Inauguration was going to see the Dems be arrested by the military, and that Trump actually gives a darn about them. These are also the same people who attended the fake ANTIFA Trump Rally. Obfuscation is an art to them.

It brings to mind the Capitol invasion and the protestors had made it up to the doors, ie they blasted through the security and police. And at this point, some guy is hitting the glass with a hammer and some thought that was an Antifa guy. You know, among all the others already trespassing and trying to break into the Capitol. If you have a hard time understanding that, it isn't your fault... it makes absolutely no sense!
 
It brings to mind the Capitol invasion and the protestors had made it up to the doors, ie they blasted through the security and police. And at this point, some guy is hitting the glass with a hammer and some thought that was an Antifa guy. You know, among all the others already trespassing and trying to break into the Capitol. If you have a hard time understanding that, it isn't your fault... it makes absolutely no sense!

It is all about the current narrative to support XYZ agenda, and the truth is just a trifle.

'The stock markets just sucked under that Black President'...right from the lips of a redneck evangelical...that I unfortunately don't get to unknow.
 
Squad Splits on Capitol Police Funding, Letting Bill Pass by One Vote

The bill:
H.R.3237 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Emergency Security Supplemental to Respond to January 6th Appropriations Act, 2021 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
This bill provides $1.9 billion in FY2021 emergency supplemental appropriations for the legislative branch and federal agencies to respond to the attack on the U.S. Capitol Complex that occurred on January 6, 2021.

The funding provided by the bill is designated as emergency spending, which is exempt from discretionary spending limits.

The bill provides appropriations for purposes such as
  • security-related upgrades,
  • repairs to facilities damaged by the attack,
  • reimbursements for the costs of responding to the attack,
  • support for prosecutions,
  • the establishment of a quick reaction force within the District of Columbia National Guard to assist the Capitol Police, and
  • legislative branch expenses related to COVID-19 (i.e., coronavirus disease 2019).
In addition, the bill requires Capitol Police officers who interact with the public to use body-worn cameras.
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Within the legislative branch, the bill provides appropriations for
  • the Senate,
  • the House of Representatives,
  • the Capitol Police,
  • the Architect of the Capitol,
  • the Library of Congress,
  • the Government Publishing Office, and
  • the Congressional Budget Office.
The bill also provides appropriations for
  • the Department of Justice,
  • the National Guard,
  • the judiciary,
  • the District of Columbia,
  • the General Services Administration,
  • the U.S. Secret Service, and
  • the National Park Service.
 
Roll Call 155 | Bill Number: H. R. 3237
May 20, 2021, 11:41 AM | 117th Congress, 1st Session
On Motion to Recommit
(some Republican obstructionism)
  • D: N 217, nv 1
  • R: Y: 209, N: 1, nv: 1
  • Total: Y: 209, N: 2018, nv: 2
It was completely partisan with only three exceptions. The Republican that voted no was Rep. Thomas Massie R-KY-04. The non-voters were Jared Golden D-ME-02 and Daniel Webster R-FL-11.

Now the vote itself.
Office of the Clerk, U.S. House of Representatives - Vote Details
  • D: Y 213, N 3, P 3
  • R: N 209, nv 2
  • Total: Y 213, N 212, P 3, nv 2
The non-voters were John Carter R-TX-31 and Daniel Webster R-FL-11.

On the Democratic side, those who voted "present" were AOC, Jamaal Bowman, and Rashida Tlaib. Those who voted no were Cori Bush, Ilhan Omar, and Ayanna Pressley. All six of them voted against the Republicans' motion to recommit, though not for the final bill. They wanted to make a statement about priorities, it seems.
“I am tired of the fact that any time where there is a failure in our system of policing, the first response is for us to give them more money, rather than investigate the failings and hold those responsible accountable,” Omar told The Intercept, explaining her vote. “I’ll continue to fight for structural change that actually centers people’s safety and humanity. That applies to us here in the Capitol, as well as my constituents in Minneapolis.”
This bill contains $1.9 billion for Capitol Police and Capitol security, including hardening entrances to the Capitol and funding a rapid-response force.
In a break from the past, the bill allows funds to be spent providing security for individual members of the House that the sergeant-at-arms deems at particular risk. Currently, only top leaders are afforded such protection.

The bill includes $350 million for “complex emergency response and infrastructure,” which includes $100 million for “security screening vestibules.” It stops short of making the fencing permanent, though it provides funds for “design, installation, landscape architecture and to maintain a retractable security system as part of an interconnected security of the United States Capitol Grounds,” adding that “such funds shall not be used to install permanent above ground fencing around the perimeter, or any portion thereof, of the United States Capitol Grounds.”

In addition, the bill offers up $720 million for the National Guard and Department of Defense, $157.5 million for judicial security, $67 million for the District of Columbia, and $1.8 million for the Bureau of Prisons for salaries and expenses. It also creates a wellness center available to officers and requires them to wear body cameras.
 
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