January 6 Hearings Live

[lpetrich]

H.Res.503 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Establishing the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress - Rep. Pelosi, Nancy [D-CA-12] (Introduced 06/28/2021)

This was a House resolution, so it did not have to pass the Senate.

Roll Call 197 | Bill Number: H. Res. 503 - Jun 30, 2021, 03:45 PM | 117th Congress, 1st Session - passed
D: Y 220
R: Y 2 N 190 nv 19
Total: Y 220 N 190 nv 19

The only Republicans to vote for it: Liz Cheney R-WY-01 and Adam Kinzinger R-IL-16.

Pelosi's picks for Jan. 6 select committee include Liz Cheney - Roll Call
She picked 8 members and her Republican counterpart Kevin McCarthy is to pick 5 members, though he has yet to do so.

Among her picks was Liz Cheney, who said that she was "honored".

“Congress is obligated to conduct a full investigation of the most serious attack on our Capitol since 1814. That day saw the most sacred space in our Republic overrun by an angry and violent mob attempting to stop the counting of electoral votes and threatening the peaceful transfer of power,” Cheney said. “What happened on January 6th can never happen again. Those who are responsible for the attack need to be held accountable and this select committee will fulfill that responsibility in a professional, expeditious, and non-partisan manner.”

Pelosi praised Cheney for agreeing to serve as an appointee of the Democratic speaker.

“The next step for us has always been to seek and to find the truth. We want to get the truth,” Pelosi said at a Thursday press briefing. “We want to do so in the most patriotic and nonpartisan way so the American people have confidence in the results.”

 

[KeepTalking]

Day of Rage: An In-Depth Look at How a Mob Stormed the Capitol - The New York Times - "A six-month Times investigation has synchronized and mapped out thousands of videos and police radio communications from the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, providing the most complete picture to date of what happened — and why."

Also
Day of Rage: How Trump Supporters Took the U.S. Capitol | Visual Investigations - YouTube

Great documentary.

Trump and GOP turning MAGA 'terrorist' Ashli Babbitt into a martyr for this disturbing reason - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism

"Donald Trump is trying to turn the pointless death of MAGA rioter Ashli Babbitt into a rallying cry for future terrorists."

Will some of them compose an "Ashli Babbitt Song"?

So, the soldiers who died for their country are "suckers" and "losers" according to Trump, but an insane woman who died storming the capital in an effort to put him back into office is a hero?

I mean, it's not like we didn't already know, but Trump is such a massive piece of shit. I can't even...

 

[lpetrich]

Pelosi Names Members to Select Committee to Investigate January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol | Speaker Nancy Pelosi
Some of them had been impeachment managers in the two impeachment trials of Donald Trump.

• Chair Bennie Thompson: Chair of Homeland Security Committee -- head of this commission
• Chair Zoe Lofgren: Chair of Committee on House Administration -- #1
• Chair Adam Schiff: Chair of House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence -- #1 head
• Rep. Pete Aguilar, House Administration and Appropriations Committees
• Rep. Liz Cheney, Armed Services Committee
• Rep. Stephanie Murphy, Armed Services Committee
• Rep. Jamie Raskin, Oversight and Judiciary Committees -- #2 head
• Rep. Elaine Luria, Navy veteran, Armed Services and Homeland Security Committees

 First impeachment trial of Donald Trump - Adam Schiff (lead manager), Jerry Nadler, Hakeem Jeffries, Zoe Lofgren, Val Demings, Jason Crow, Sylvia Garcia

 Second impeachment trial of Donald Trump - Jamie Raskin (lead manager), Diana DeGette, David Cicilline, Joaquin Castro, Eric Swalwell, Ted Lieu, Joe Neguse, Madeleine Dean, Stacey Plaskett

McCarthy threatens to strip GOP members of committee assignments if they accept an offer from Pelosi to serve on 1/6 commission - CNNPolitics - July 1

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy to Appoint Republicans to January 6 Commission - July 7

McCarthy not yet sold on naming Republicans to Jan. 6 investigation - POLITICO - July 13

 

[Swammerdami]

The Washington Post reports on a new book: I alone can fix it.

Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff ... described 'a stomach-churning' feeling as he listened to Trump's untrue complaints of election fraud, drawing a comparison to the 1933 attack on Germany's parliament building that Hitler used as a pretext to establish a Nazi dictatorship.

'This is a Reichstag moment,' Milley told aides, according to the book. 'The gospel of the Fuhrer.'

...
After attending a Nov. 10 security briefing about the 'Million MAGA March,' a pro-Trump rally protesting the election, Milley said he feared an American equivalent of 'brownshirts in the streets,' alluding to the paramilitary forces that protected Nazi rallies and enabled Hitler's ascent.

 

[untermensche]

Trump's rise to the presidency was nothing like Hitler's.

Hitler came from nowhere, a lowly corporal in WWI, no money, and slowly built an organization through the power of his personality and the appeal of his message of hatred.

He slowly gathered followers over many years.

Everything about Trump is fake.

From his fake hair to his fake presidency.

He never thought he would lose. His numbers were up. That's all he looked at.

He had no clue the anti-Trump sentiment had grown larger than the pro-Trump sentiment he had built quickly with con man lies. You did not give Trump bad news. He would deny it and attack the messenger.

The estimates were that the number of people in the crowd at the Capitol that day were about 30,000. Trump said it would be a million. Cult members inside can be heard saying there are a million people outside the capitol. They took every Trump lie and insane exaggeration as fact.

Trump failed because it was a fake rebellion led by a fake president.

Everything about Trump is fake.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Had Trump had third world leader control over the military, he'd still be the President. He tried to overthrow the election. He personally pressured state legislatures and the Georgia SoS. And online, he was pressuring all elected GOP'ers to influence the result of the election.

 

[ZiprHead]

Joint Chiefs chairman feared potential ‘Reichstag moment’ aimed at keeping Trump in power

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joint-chiefs-chairman-feared-potential-reichstag-moment-aimed-at-keeping-trump-in-power/2021/07/14/a326f5fe-e4ec-11eb-a41e-c8442c213fa8_story.html

As Trump ceaselessly pushed false claims about the 2020 presidential election, Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, grew more and more nervous, telling aides he feared that the president and his acolytes might attempt to use the military to stay in office, Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker report in “I Alone Can Fix It: Donald J. Trump’s Catastrophic Final Year.”

Milley described “a stomach-churning” feeling as he listened to Trump’s untrue complaints of election fraud, drawing a comparison to the 1933 attack on Germany’s parliament building that Hitler used as a pretext to establish a Nazi dictatorship.

This is a Reichstag moment,” Milley told aides, according to the book. “The gospel of the Führer.”

A spokesman for Milley declined to comment.

Portions of the book related to Milley — first reported Wednesday night by CNN ahead of the book’s July 20 release — offer a remarkable window into the thinking of America’s highest-ranking military officer, who saw himself as one of the last empowered defenders of democracy during some of the darkest days in the country’s recent history.

After attending a Nov. 10 security briefing about the “Million MAGA March,” a pro-Trump rally protesting the election, Milley said he feared an American equivalent of “brownshirts in the streets,” alluding to the paramilitary forces that protected Nazi rallies and enabled Hitler’s ascent.

Late that same evening, according to the book, an old friend called Milley to express concerns that those close to Trump were attempting to “overturn the government.”

“You are one of the few guys who are standing between us and some really bad stuff,” the friend told Milley, according to an account relayed to his aides. Milley was shaken, Leonnig and Rucker write, and he called former national security adviser H.R. McMaster to ask whether a coup was actually imminent.

“What the f--- am I dealing with?” Milley asked him.

 

[ZiprHead]

Watching TYT. The guy that was chasing officer Goodman down in the Capital building in the black Q shirt was released to house arrest. The reason? He was too stupid. He thought he was at the Whitehouse.

 

[Swammerdami]

Will Republican officials use their powers to overturn election results? Some R apologists claim that Rs are not so anti-democratic.

Arizona did pass legislation that would strip authority for handling election-related litigation from the secretary of state (who is currently a Democrat) and hand it to the attorney general (who is currently a Republican).

The Sec'y State and Atty-Gen were selected by Arizonan voters in free elections. It seems clear to me that with this legislation the Arizona Rs have already overturned an election result.

A few years ago, an R legislature drastically reduced the power of its D Governor. (I can't remember which state.)

It should be "against the rules" to rearrange the powers of elected officials during an incumbency.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Will Republican officials use their powers to overturn election results? Some R apologists claim that Rs are not so anti-democratic.

Arizona did pass legislation that would strip authority for handling election-related litigation from the secretary of state (who is currently a Democrat) and hand it to the attorney general (who is currently a Republican).

The Sec'y State and Atty-Gen were selected by Arizonan voters in free elections. It seems clear to me that with this legislation the Arizona Rs have already overturned an election result.

A few years ago, an R legislature drastically reduced the power of its D Governor. (I can't remember which state.)

It should be "against the rules" to rearrange the powers of elected officials during an incumbency.

Agreed. Any transfer of power should not take effect until the next person elected has taken office for all seats involved. (Note that the "next person" can be the same person--I'm saying it can't change until the date the office is handed over, not merely the election date.)

 

[Swammerdami]

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.​

Trump's rise to the presidency was nothing like Hitler's.

Hitler came from nowhere, a lowly corporal in WWI, no money, and slowly built an organization through the power of his personality and the appeal of his message of hatred.

There are real similarities, at least if Marx's aphorism is applied. Hitler had his Mein Kampf, Trump had a ghost-written book and the scripted "reality show." Hatred and a perverse charisma were key to both their successes.

It isn't easy for a nincompoop to take over and nearly destroy a powerful, well-educated country, but both the man with the moustache and the sociopath with fake-looking hair managed to do it.

 

[untermensche]

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.​

Trump's rise to the presidency was nothing like Hitler's.

Hitler came from nowhere, a lowly corporal in WWI, no money, and slowly built an organization through the power of his personality and the appeal of his message of hatred.

There are real similarities, at least if Marx's aphorism is applied. Hitler had his Mein Kampf, Trump had a ghost-written book and the scripted "reality show." Hatred and a perverse charisma were key to both their successes.

It isn't easy for a nincompoop to take over and nearly destroy a powerful, well-educated country, but both the man with the moustache and the sociopath with fake-looking hair managed to do it.

Trump just turned over the rock covering US society and exposed a lot of insects. Trump didn't create the ignorance. He exploited it like he exploited racial hatreds and xenophobia.

Hitler actually had plans, sick plans. He wasn't an empty narcissist that only really cared about himself.

 

[ZiprHead]

2 California Men Have Been Charged With Plotting To Bomb A Democratic Party Building

Two California men who were angry about former President Donald Trump's 2020 election loss have been indicted on charges they plotted to firebomb the Democratic Party's headquarters in Sacramento.

The defendants, 45-year-old Ian Rogers and 37-year-old Jarrod Copeland, are both facing one count of conspiracy to destroy a building by fire or explosives. Rogers has also been charged with firearms and explosives offenses, while Copeland is facing an additional obstruction of justice charge.

Prosecutors say the two men were upset about the outcome of the 2020 presidential election and wanted to jump-start a "movement" to overthrow the government. They hoped to recruit others to their cause and even reached out to the Proud Boys to try to rally support.

Prosecutors also say that Copeland and Rogers understood that their actions would be viewed as domestic terrorism.

In one exchange of messages from late November cited in court papers, Rogers tells Copeland, "We need to hit the enemy in the mouth." He goes on to say: "I think right now we attack democrats. They're [sic] offices etc. Molotov cocktails and gasoline."

The two men initially discussed attacking the California governor's mansion but quickly shifted their sights to the Democratic headquarters building in downtown Sacramento.

By Dec. 1, court papers say, the men had settled on a plan. Rogers wrote to Copeland: "Do you think something is wrong with me how I'm excited to attack the democrats?"

 

[James Brown]

"Do you think something is wrong with me how I'm excited to attack the democrats?"

Yes.

 

[Angry Floof]

"Do you think something is wrong with me how I'm excited to attack the democrats?"

Yes.

How much do you want to bet that that message included a cry-laughing smiley?

 

[Swammerdami]

Capitol Police did not make arrests or get reinforcements when white supremacists defecated in the Capitol Building on January 6th. Yesterday, to atone for this ...

Capitol Police officers arrested Beatty and eight other protesters, binding their hands with zip ties.

Joyce Beatty (D-Ohio) is a black Congresswoman, and was engaged in peaceful protest

 

[ideologyhunter]

Can it be long before some Repub pol describes these Sacramento terrorists as 21st Century minutemen?

 

[crazyfingers]

The clown show "Audit" in Arizona has come out with a major lie.

The review is being conducted by Cyber Ninjas, a cybersecurity firm that has no experience in election auditing. And the company's chief executive officer, Doug Logan, made some Thursday claims that were immediately called into question by the county and independent experts.
Here's a brief look at two of them.

The 74,000 ballots

Logan said that door-to-door questioning of Maricopa County voters is the "one way" the auditors could determine whether what they are seeing in the elections data are "real problems" or "clerical errors of some sort."

"For example, we have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of them being sent," he said.

But:

Here's why it's entirely normal for Maricopa County's submitted-ballots list to include a significant number of votes that do not match up with entries on the requested-ballots list. After the deadline to request a mail-in ballot, which was October 23 in 2020, the requested-ballot list doesn't get updated by the county. But the submitted-ballots list does get updated after that October 23 deadline -- with the votes of in-person early voters.

Logan's suggestion of some sort of unsolved mystery was definitively debunked by Garrett Archer, an election analyst at ABC15 television in Phoenix and a former official in the Arizona secretary of state's office, who is known locally and on Twitter for his mastery of the state's elections data.

Archer explained that the county stops updating the requested-ballots list, known as "EV32," after the last day people can request a mail ballot, October 23. So ballots cast in person after October 23, Archer said, were included on the submitted-ballots list, known as "EV33," but did not have a corresponding item on the "EV32" requested-ballots list.
Archer analyzed the files and found that there were 74,241 ballots on the submitted-ballots list without a corresponding entry on the requested-ballots list -- nearly identical to the figure Logan cited, "74,243." But Archer found that more than 99.9% of the ballots in question were recorded in the submitted-ballots list on October 26 or later.
That is in line with the October 23 cut-off date Archer had previously noted for the requested-ballots list.
The explanation: October 24 and 25 were weekend days when county clerks didn't update the submitted-ballot list, Archer said, so they added the ballots cast by in-person voters on those weekend days to the submitted-ballot totals starting on October 26.

"This is a glaring omission in the analysis," Archer tweeted of the auditors. "It is either grossly negligent for failing to see a pattern of ballots being returned after a certain date or the statements were deliberately misleading."

Tammy Patrick, an elections expert who spent more than a decade working at Maricopa County's elections department, also said on Twitter that the requested-ballots list stops getting updated 11 days before Election Day but the submitted-ballots list continues to get updated until the day before Election Day.

Patrick tweeted of the auditors: "AGAIN: They don't know what they're looking at."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/18/poli...a-audit-arizona-cyber-ninjas-74000/index.html

Clearly Cyber Ninjas, whose CEO is a rabid Trump supporter, is making shit up for his own dishonest goals of sowing doubt.

 

[ZiprHead]

The clown show "Audit" in Arizona has come out with a major lie.

The review is being conducted by Cyber Ninjas, a cybersecurity firm that has no experience in election auditing. And the company's chief executive officer, Doug Logan, made some Thursday claims that were immediately called into question by the county and independent experts.
Here's a brief look at two of them.

The 74,000 ballots

Logan said that door-to-door questioning of Maricopa County voters is the "one way" the auditors could determine whether what they are seeing in the elections data are "real problems" or "clerical errors of some sort."

"For example, we have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of them being sent," he said.

But:

Here's why it's entirely normal for Maricopa County's submitted-ballots list to include a significant number of votes that do not match up with entries on the requested-ballots list. After the deadline to request a mail-in ballot, which was October 23 in 2020, the requested-ballot list doesn't get updated by the county. But the submitted-ballots list does get updated after that October 23 deadline -- with the votes of in-person early voters.

Logan's suggestion of some sort of unsolved mystery was definitively debunked by Garrett Archer, an election analyst at ABC15 television in Phoenix and a former official in the Arizona secretary of state's office, who is known locally and on Twitter for his mastery of the state's elections data.

Archer explained that the county stops updating the requested-ballots list, known as "EV32," after the last day people can request a mail ballot, October 23. So ballots cast in person after October 23, Archer said, were included on the submitted-ballots list, known as "EV33," but did not have a corresponding item on the "EV32" requested-ballots list.
Archer analyzed the files and found that there were 74,241 ballots on the submitted-ballots list without a corresponding entry on the requested-ballots list -- nearly identical to the figure Logan cited, "74,243." But Archer found that more than 99.9% of the ballots in question were recorded in the submitted-ballots list on October 26 or later.
That is in line with the October 23 cut-off date Archer had previously noted for the requested-ballots list.
The explanation: October 24 and 25 were weekend days when county clerks didn't update the submitted-ballot list, Archer said, so they added the ballots cast by in-person voters on those weekend days to the submitted-ballot totals starting on October 26.

"This is a glaring omission in the analysis," Archer tweeted of the auditors. "It is either grossly negligent for failing to see a pattern of ballots being returned after a certain date or the statements were deliberately misleading."

Tammy Patrick, an elections expert who spent more than a decade working at Maricopa County's elections department, also said on Twitter that the requested-ballots list stops getting updated 11 days before Election Day but the submitted-ballots list continues to get updated until the day before Election Day.

Patrick tweeted of the auditors: "AGAIN: They don't know what they're looking at."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/18/poli...a-audit-arizona-cyber-ninjas-74000/index.html

Clearly Cyber Ninjas, whose CEO is a rabid Trump supporter, is making shit up for his own dishonest goals of sowing doubt.

No, say it isn't so!

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Cyber Ninjas has no experience auditing elections. That makes them the perfect candidate for doing audits by Trumpkin reasoning. The less experience you have at doing something, the better qualified you are for the job. That's trumpkin logic.