January 6 Hearings Live

[Swammerdami]

From the Senate's site:
U.S. Senate: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 117th Congress - 1st Session

Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture Re: Motion to Proceed to H.R. 3233)
...
Required For Majority: 3/5
Vote Result: Cloture Motion Rejected
...

The vote:
Yes 54, No 35, not voting 11

54 / (54 + 35) = 0.6067
0.6067 > 3/5


Are the "not voting" votes treated as Nays?

 

[ZiprHead]

FBI director suggests ‘serious charges’ coming in probe of Capitol attack

FBI Director Chris Wray on Thursday suggested “serious charges” are still coming in the criminal investigation of the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by supporters of former President Donald Trump.

"This is a very ongoing investigation and there's a lot more to come," Wray said during an oversight hearing held by the House of Representatives Judiciary Committee. "I would expect to see more charges — some of them maybe more serious charges."

Wray testified that the FBI considered the attack an act of "domestic terrorism." He said he understands why Democratic lawmakers have called the attack an "insurrection," but said it would not be appropriate for him to use that word because of the effect it could have on pending criminal cases.

"In my role as FBI director, because that's a term that has legal meaning, I really have to be careful about using words like that," Wray said.

 

[Angry Floof]

FBI director suggests ‘serious charges’ coming in probe of Capitol attack

FBI Director Chris Wray on Thursday suggested “serious charges” are still coming in the criminal investigation of the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by supporters of former President Donald Trump.

"This is a very ongoing investigation and there's a lot more to come," Wray said during an oversight hearing held by the House of Representatives Judiciary Committee. "I would expect to see more charges — some of them maybe more serious charges."

Wray testified that the FBI considered the attack an act of "domestic terrorism." He said he understands why Democratic lawmakers have called the attack an "insurrection," but said it would not be appropriate for him to use that word because of the effect it could have on pending criminal cases.

"In my role as FBI director, because that's a term that has legal meaning, I really have to be careful about using words like that," Wray said.

Why does the U.S. not have a legal term for insurrection?? Did he offer the correct legal term for when domestic terrorist try to take over the U.S. Capitol in an effort to interfere with democracy itself? What's the legal term for that?

 

[Patooka]

From the Senate's site:
U.S. Senate: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 117th Congress - 1st Session

Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture Re: Motion to Proceed to H.R. 3233)
...
Required For Majority: 3/5
Vote Result: Cloture Motion Rejected
...

The vote:
Yes 54, No 35, not voting 11

54 / (54 + 35) = 0.6067
0.6067 > 3/5


Are the "not voting" votes treated as Nays?

I suspect "not voting" are still counted as present.

 

[TomC]

FBI director suggests ‘serious charges’ coming in probe of Capitol attack

FBI Director Chris Wray on Thursday suggested “serious charges” are still coming in the criminal investigation of the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by supporters of former President Donald Trump.

"This is a very ongoing investigation and there's a lot more to come," Wray said during an oversight hearing held by the House of Representatives Judiciary Committee. "I would expect to see more charges — some of them maybe more serious charges."

Wray testified that the FBI considered the attack an act of "domestic terrorism." He said he understands why Democratic lawmakers have called the attack an "insurrection," but said it would not be appropriate for him to use that word because of the effect it could have on pending criminal cases.

"In my role as FBI director, because that's a term that has legal meaning, I really have to be careful about using words like that," Wray said.

Why does the U.S. not have a legal term for insurrection?? Did he offer the correct legal term for when domestic terrorist try to take over the U.S. Capitol in an effort to interfere with democracy itself? What's the legal term for that?

Perhaps if you reread.
What Wray said is that the term insurrection does have legal meaning, so he's being very careful about using it in public statements.
Tom

 

[Angry Floof]

Why does the U.S. not have a legal term for insurrection?? Did he offer the correct legal term for when domestic terrorist try to take over the U.S. Capitol in an effort to interfere with democracy itself? What's the legal term for that?

Perhaps if you reread.
What Wray said is that the term insurrection does have legal meaning, so he's being very careful about using it in public statements.
Tom

You're right, I completely misread that.

 

[ZiprHead]

Alex Jones Says He Coordinated Riots with Trump White House

Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones is now claiming that he coordinated with the Trump White House on the events of January 6th. The Infowars host made the claim last week that he even put up $500,000 of his own money to make it happen. Jones said, “the White House told me three days before, ‘we’re going to have you lead the march.’” He went on to say that 30 minutes before the end of Trump’s speech at the Rotunda, the Secret Service planned to take Jones out of the crowd to the spot where the march was supposed to begin. He went on to say, “Trump will tell people, ‘go and I’m going to meet you at the Capitol.’” Jones’s statements are basically a full-on admission about his involvement in the riots, although he can always hide behind saying he did not intend for the rally to get violent.

 

[fromderinside]

"Lock Him UP?" or should we just attribute his rants to a blown mind for 'merica.

I'm for the former. A Punish is as Shad does.

 

[lpetrich]

21 House Republicans vote against awarding Congressional Gold Medal to all police officers who responded on Jan. 6 - The Washington Post

H.R.3325 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To award four congressional gold medals to the United States Capitol Police and those who protected the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Sponsor: Rep. Pelosi, Nancy [D-CA-12] (Introduced 05/19/2021)

This bill directs the Speaker of the House and the President pro tempore of the Senate to arrange for the award of four Congressional Gold Medals to the U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) and other law enforcement agencies that protected the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.

Following the award of these medals, one medal shall be given to the USCP, one medal shall be given to the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia, one medal shall be given to the Smithsonian Institution, and one medal shall be given to the Architect of the Capitol (AOC). The Smithsonian Institution and the AOC must display the medal with a plaque listing the other law enforcement agencies that participated in protecting the Capitol on January 6, 2021.

There are some similar bills that were previously introduced in Congress.

Office of the Clerk, U.S. House of Representatives - Vote Details

• D: Y 218 nv 2
• R: Y 188 R 21 nv 2

Those who voted "no":

Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Michael Cloud (Tex.), Andrew S. Clyde (Ga.), Warren Davidson (Ohio), Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Louie Gohmert (Tex.), Bob Good (Va.), Paul A. Gosar (Ariz.), Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Andy Harris (Md.), Jody Hice (Ga.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Mary Miller (Ill.), Barry Moore (Ala.), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Scott Perry (Pa.), John Rose (Tenn.), Matthew M. Rosendale (Mont.), Chip Roy (Tex.), and Greg Steube (Fla.)

Some of them are rather familiar right-wingers, like Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, Louie Gohmert, Paul Gosar, and MTG.

 

[lpetrich]

Josh Gerstein on Twitter: "Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), at House hearing, says Capitol police officer was ‘lying in wait’ for Ashli Babbitt before shooting her. Again says Babbitt was “executed” by police, demands name of officer involved in shooting" / Twitter

Josh Gerstein on Twitter: "An investigation by D.C. Police and the U.S. Attorney’s Office in D.C. found that the officer’s actions did not warrant prosecution." / Twitter

Liz Cheney on Twitter: "On January 6, as the violent mob advanced on the House chamber, I was standing near @RepGosar and helped him open his gas mask. The Capitol Police led us to safety. It is disgusting and despicable to see Gosar lie about that day and smear the men and women who defended us." / Twitter

Melanie Zanona on Twitter: "Marjorie Taylor Greene says she voted against a Congressional Gold Medal bill for Capitol & DC Police because she doesn’t like that it calls the Capitol “the temple of our American Democracy” or calls Jan. 6 an insurrection.

“I wouldn’t call it an insurrection,” she says." / Twitter

So the 1/6 attack was an Antifa attack that is also not a big deal. Just like how COVID-19 is the China virus and also not a big deal.

Cristina Marcos on Twitter: "The House just passed an updated bill to award Congressional Gold Medals to police officers who defended the Capitol on Jan. 6, 406-21.

All 21 votes in opposition were Republicans." / Twitter

Cristina Marcos on Twitter: "Rep. Massie, who voted no, says he's concerned using the term "insurrectionists" in the bill could impact ongoing cases.

"If they just wanted to give the police recognition, they could have done it without trying to make it partisan, without sticking that in there."" / Twitter

Then
Rep. Bobby Scott on Twitter: "A sad commentary on the @HouseGOP." / Twitter


Adam Kinzinger on Twitter: "How you can vote no to this is beyond me. Then again, denying an insurrection is as well. To the brave Capitol (and DC metro PD) thank you. To the 21: they will continue to defend your right to vote no anyway" / Twitter

 

[ZiprHead]

21 House Republicans vote against awarding Congressional Gold Medal to all police officers who responded on Jan. 6 - The Washington Post

H.R.3325 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To award four congressional gold medals to the United States Capitol Police and those who protected the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Sponsor: Rep. Pelosi, Nancy [D-CA-12] (Introduced 05/19/2021)

This bill directs the Speaker of the House and the President pro tempore of the Senate to arrange for the award of four Congressional Gold Medals to the U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) and other law enforcement agencies that protected the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.

Following the award of these medals, one medal shall be given to the USCP, one medal shall be given to the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia, one medal shall be given to the Smithsonian Institution, and one medal shall be given to the Architect of the Capitol (AOC). The Smithsonian Institution and the AOC must display the medal with a plaque listing the other law enforcement agencies that participated in protecting the Capitol on January 6, 2021.

There are some similar bills that were previously introduced in Congress.

Office of the Clerk, U.S. House of Representatives - Vote Details

• D: Y 218 nv 2
• R: Y 188 R 21 nv 2

Those who voted "no":

Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Michael Cloud (Tex.), Andrew S. Clyde (Ga.), Warren Davidson (Ohio), Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Louie Gohmert (Tex.), Bob Good (Va.), Paul A. Gosar (Ariz.), Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Andy Harris (Md.), Jody Hice (Ga.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Mary Miller (Ill.), Barry Moore (Ala.), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Scott Perry (Pa.), John Rose (Tenn.), Matthew M. Rosendale (Mont.), Chip Roy (Tex.), and Greg Steube (Fla.)

Some of them are rather familiar right-wingers, like Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, Louie Gohmert, Paul Gosar, and MTG.

They objected to the award being granted due to the word "insurrection" being in the award statement.

 

[crazyfingers]

21 House Republicans vote against awarding Congressional Gold Medal to all police officers who responded on Jan. 6 - The Washington Post

H.R.3325 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To award four congressional gold medals to the United States Capitol Police and those who protected the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Sponsor: Rep. Pelosi, Nancy [D-CA-12] (Introduced 05/19/2021)

This bill directs the Speaker of the House and the President pro tempore of the Senate to arrange for the award of four Congressional Gold Medals to the U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) and other law enforcement agencies that protected the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.

Following the award of these medals, one medal shall be given to the USCP, one medal shall be given to the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia, one medal shall be given to the Smithsonian Institution, and one medal shall be given to the Architect of the Capitol (AOC). The Smithsonian Institution and the AOC must display the medal with a plaque listing the other law enforcement agencies that participated in protecting the Capitol on January 6, 2021.

There are some similar bills that were previously introduced in Congress.

Office of the Clerk, U.S. House of Representatives - Vote Details

• D: Y 218 nv 2
• R: Y 188 R 21 nv 2

Those who voted "no":

Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Michael Cloud (Tex.), Andrew S. Clyde (Ga.), Warren Davidson (Ohio), Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Louie Gohmert (Tex.), Bob Good (Va.), Paul A. Gosar (Ariz.), Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Andy Harris (Md.), Jody Hice (Ga.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Mary Miller (Ill.), Barry Moore (Ala.), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Scott Perry (Pa.), John Rose (Tenn.), Matthew M. Rosendale (Mont.), Chip Roy (Tex.), and Greg Steube (Fla.)

Some of them are rather familiar right-wingers, like Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, Louie Gohmert, Paul Gosar, and MTG.

They objected to the award being granted due to the word "insurrection" being in the award statement.

I still think "attempted coup" is more appropriate.

 

[laughing dog]

21 House Republicans vote against awarding Congressional Gold Medal to all police officers who responded on Jan. 6 - The Washington Post

H.R.3325 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To award four congressional gold medals to the United States Capitol Police and those who protected the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Sponsor: Rep. Pelosi, Nancy [D-CA-12] (Introduced 05/19/2021)

This bill directs the Speaker of the House and the President pro tempore of the Senate to arrange for the award of four Congressional Gold Medals to the U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) and other law enforcement agencies that protected the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.

Following the award of these medals, one medal shall be given to the USCP, one medal shall be given to the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia, one medal shall be given to the Smithsonian Institution, and one medal shall be given to the Architect of the Capitol (AOC). The Smithsonian Institution and the AOC must display the medal with a plaque listing the other law enforcement agencies that participated in protecting the Capitol on January 6, 2021.

There are some similar bills that were previously introduced in Congress.

Office of the Clerk, U.S. House of Representatives - Vote Details

• D: Y 218 nv 2
• R: Y 188 R 21 nv 2

Those who voted "no":

Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Michael Cloud (Tex.), Andrew S. Clyde (Ga.), Warren Davidson (Ohio), Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Louie Gohmert (Tex.), Bob Good (Va.), Paul A. Gosar (Ariz.), Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Andy Harris (Md.), Jody Hice (Ga.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Mary Miller (Ill.), Barry Moore (Ala.), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Scott Perry (Pa.), John Rose (Tenn.), Matthew M. Rosendale (Mont.), Chip Roy (Tex.), and Greg Steube (Fla.)

Some of them are rather familiar right-wingers, like Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, Louie Gohmert, Paul Gosar, and MTG.

They objected to the award being granted due to the word "insurrection" being in the award statement.

I bet they also objected to a medal going to AOC.

 

[Swammerdami]

From the Senate's site:
U.S. Senate: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 117th Congress - 1st Session

Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture Re: Motion to Proceed to H.R. 3233)
...
Required For Majority: 3/5
Vote Result: Cloture Motion Rejected
...

The vote:
Yes 54, No 35, not voting 11

54 / (54 + 35) = 0.6067
0.6067 > 3/5


Are the "not voting" votes treated as Nays?

The answer is "Yes", as apparently verified with the first Google hit.
And it appears that it's not just 3/5 of Senators present, but 3/5 of all 100 Senators present or not! ??

The article linked above had to "rub it in":

The Yea votes represented 62% of the country’s population by apportioning each state’s population to its voting senators.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

54 / (54 + 35) = 0.6067
0.6067 > 3/5


Are the "not voting" votes treated as Nays?

The answer is "Yes", as apparently verified with the first Google hit.
And it appears that it's not just 3/5 of Senators present, but 3/5 of all 100 Senators present or not! ??

The article linked above had to "rub it in":

The Yea votes represented 62% of the country’s population by apportioning each state’s population to its voting senators.

As a reminder, this fact is why the Texas Legislature was unable to pass their voting 'reform' bill.

 

[Politesse]

FBI director suggests ‘serious charges’ coming in probe of Capitol attack

FBI Director Chris Wray on Thursday suggested “serious charges” are still coming in the criminal investigation of the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by supporters of former President Donald Trump.

"This is a very ongoing investigation and there's a lot more to come," Wray said during an oversight hearing held by the House of Representatives Judiciary Committee. "I would expect to see more charges — some of them maybe more serious charges."

Wray testified that the FBI considered the attack an act of "domestic terrorism." He said he understands why Democratic lawmakers have called the attack an "insurrection," but said it would not be appropriate for him to use that word because of the effect it could have on pending criminal cases.

"In my role as FBI director, because that's a term that has legal meaning, I really have to be careful about using words like that," Wray said.

Why does the U.S. not have a legal term for insurrection?? Did he offer the correct legal term for when domestic terrorist try to take over the U.S. Capitol in an effort to interfere with democracy itself? What's the legal term for that?

Under the law, being charged with incitement to insurrection under US makes you automatically ineligible to hold public office. If they are considering such a charge against sitting or would-be politicians, they would want to keep it under their hat until their case is prepared.

 

[lpetrich]

House Democrats aren't waiting for Senate Republicans to buck Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump.

House Oversight Committee on Instagram: “Jan. 6 Part 1: Hearing Highlights…”

Jan. 6 Part 1: Hearing Highlights

Last month, @OversightDems held their first hearing on the #Jan6th #CapitolInsurrection.

TODAY, at 2 PM, they will continue their investigation into one of the darkest days of our nation’s history.

LIVE STREAM LINK IN OUR BIO.

 

[fromderinside]

The House usually initiates money bills.

The saying is "a house divided ..." meaning "a government divided ...". In the US the problem is that one branch of a divided government is divided.

It sure isn't the House. McConnell is in the Senate.

Care to explain how your comment applies.

 

[Elixir]

Under the law, being charged with incitement to insurrection under US makes you automatically ineligible to hold public office.

What happened to the presumption of innocence? I'm surprised that the Trump DOJ didn't immediately charge Biden, or whoever won the Dem nomination for President to ensure their ineligibility.

 

[SLD]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...e-committee-investigate-jan-6-attack-n1272055

What’s there to fucking mull? Just do it. Should’ve been done a long time ago. Fuck bipartisanship with traitors.