January 6 Hearings Live

[Jimmy Higgins]

America has always been bout that cash yo. Claimed independence over it, enslaved Africans because of it, & voted a dickhead into its high office for it.

Trump was elected because of white supremacism, not cash.

The white supremacists are the minority.

Minority, yes. Small minority? No. The one's wearing hoods, small group. The evangelicals? Much much larger. We learned with 2016 that there were a few types of Republicans: racist evangelicals, evangelicals that'd sell their souls to the devil for courts to rule over sex, hyper-partisans, and a few of them are actually principled conservatives.

The Majority of Trump supporters are a combination of people dealing with some level of poverty and living with unfounded concerns about threats to their way of life (like gun ownership and Christian values).

No. No. And No. What we learned on January 6th, which consisted of a lot of middle to upper class white people, a lot of white people are sick of no longer being the defacto owners of America by default. Yes, Trump has support among the poor, but he has a good deal of support among not poor white people as well. It has little to do with economics and much more to do with race. These opinions have been cultivated by the right-wing since Nixon's adoption of the Southern Strategy and things really got going with Limbaugh and then Fox News. Things are so bad, these people think Fox News is part of the MSM and they need Newsmax or OANN.

Every type of Trump supporter you've mentioned can be tied to a cash-driven purpose.

Yeah, no.

Many evangelicals are seeking financial blessings (prosperity) from the lord by voting according to what they believe God expects (like no abortion & gay sex).

But it has nothing to do with spirituality or god.

White people, that are sick of no longer being defacto owners of America are seeking to hold on to what exactly? Hint, it's related to wealth.

Status.

Racism itself was and still is a tool used to exploit people for profit.

For the GOP it is political power. For Fox it is ratings and commercial advertisement money. For the average person, it is personal.

 

[Gospel]

But it has nothing to do with spirituality or god.

Yet their spiritual relationship with God is expected to manifest itself on earth in what way? Wealth

Status.

Status = Wealth

political power

And what do they expect to gain from political power? Wealth

 

[Hermit]

His Flatulence was the nutcase in charge, but he's not the driving force.

And why would you make this claim? You are saying a segment of the population is responsible for Orange's behavior?

Trump's behaviour was irrelevant until 62,985,153 voters made him POTUS in 2016.

Tell that to his debt holders. And those he fooled into investing in his failed casino venture. The other owners in the USFL which was catching as Spring league.

They may not have been among the 62,985,153 voters who made him POTUS in 2016, so there's no need of telling them.

You said "Trump's behaviour was irrelevant" until the 2016 election, but that wasn't true. His actions had ad consequences before that. When he won the electoral college in 2016, he would just end up breaking the next thing he touched, as per the norm.

The magnitude of the consequences of Trump's behaviour after 62,985,153 voters made him POTUS makes the consequences of his behaviour prior to that inconsequential. This is why Trump's presidency is but a symptom of the US's disease.

 

[Jarhyn]

But it has nothing to do with spirituality or god.

Yet their spiritual relationship with God is expected to manifest itself on earth in what way? Wealth

Status.

Status = Wealth

political power

And what do they expect to gain from political power? Wealth

Hmmm

I don't think it's necessarily about wealth. Sometimes Usually power is its own purpose to such people.

Wealth, what you understand of wealth, is "power to". You can toss money and be able to do anything.

Read Ursula K LeGuin's forward to "The Tombs of Atuan", if you haven't, and then recall that while reading your statement

But for some people, they seek to have power over others.

They want to be as petty and cruel as their god, on whom they bestow the right of Divine Command.

The thing is, god is only ever a metaphor for the self for such folks

 

[Gospel]

Nice but without wealth you can't pay cronies to help you exert your power.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

But it has nothing to do with spirituality or god.

Yet their spiritual relationship with God is expected to manifest itself on earth in what way? Wealth

Status.

Status = Wealth

I'm reminded of Hotel Rwanda, where the manager is explaining bribes and how cash is cash, but cigars and alcohol provide class, status. This isn't about wealth. It is about being up top (even if they aren't remotely near the top).

political power

And what do they expect to gain from political power? Wealth

Firstly, most white people aren't wealthy, though almost all wealthy people are white.

The key to status is that even if you aren't rich, you are still white and part of the machine chewing up other people. There are others left, below you, to piss on. Some people need to be able to think they can piss on others.

The people on January 6th were mostly not poor. They were middle to upper class white people, fighting for an America to return to its glory days of closet gays, no African American Month, and when things were generally perfect (actually point in time never existed). Again, status, not wealth.

 

[Gospel]

The reason the "New World" was sought after was for wealth. The primary reason America declared independence is because the British Empire tried to fuck with that wealth. Africans were enslaved for wealth. The constitution in all its glory is wealth's infamous shield.

The people on January 6th were mostly not poor.

The poor, rich, and in between all care about wealth.

The key to status is that even if you aren't rich, you are still white and part of the machine chewing up other people.

Sounds to me like someone considers that machine a valuable possession.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The reason the "New World" was sought after was for wealth. The primary reason America declared independence is because the British Empire tried to fuck with that wealth. Africans were enslaved for wealth. The constitution in all its glory is wealth's infamous shield.

The people on January 6th were mostly not poor.

The poor, rich, and in between all care about wealth.

Yes, you keep saying that. It isn't what is happening though.

The key to status is that even if you aren't rich, you are still white and part of the machine chewing up other people.

Sounds to me like someone considers that machine a valuable possession.

It is a metaphor.

 

[Gospel]

Yes, you keep saying that. It isn't what is happening though.

Make America Great Again was Trump's slogan. The slogan denotes that America is in decline. Looking at America's foundation and its principles both having everything to do with wealth tells me, yes, that's exactly what the fuck is happening here.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes, you keep saying that. It isn't what is happening though.

Make America Great Again was Trump's slogan. The slogan denotes that America is in decline. Looking at America's foundation and its principles both having everything to do with wealth tells me, yes, that's exactly what the fuck is happening here.

Yeah, no on that again. Yes, it implies America is in a decline. But it isn't "America" he's referencing. He's talking about White Heterosexual America.

 

[Angry Floof]

Nice but without wealth you can't pay cronies to help you exert your power.

One kind of power might be where even a broke ass authority figure hijacks a hive mind of bigotry and stupidity that can be directed at his cronies and enemies alike.
Edit: but granted, a perception of wealth and promises to share it.

 

[Gospel]

Yes, you keep saying that. It isn't what is happening though.

Make America Great Again was Trump's slogan. The slogan denotes that America is in decline. Looking at America's foundation and its principles both having everything to do with wealth tells me, yes, that's exactly what the fuck is happening here.

Yeah, no on that again. Yes, it implies America is in a decline. But it isn't "America" he's referencing. He's talking about White Heterosexual America.

Hmm, I wonder why that slogan successfully appealed to White Heterosexual Americans. Could it be that they value certain American principles? It's a wonder what those principles are...

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

We might say that orange exploited the stupidity that runs amok in the U.S. Uninformed butthurt white people were and remain his primary supporters.

 

[Gospel]

I'm reminded of Hotel Rwanda, where the manager is explaining bribes and how cash is cash, but cigars and alcohol provide class, status. This isn't about wealth. It is about being up top (even if they aren't remotely near the top).

Cigars and alcohol being used for class & status would fit nicely under the webster's definition of wealth.

 

[Toni]

Yes, you keep saying that. It isn't what is happening though.

Make America Great Again was Trump's slogan. The slogan denotes that America is in decline. Looking at America's foundation and its principles both having everything to do with wealth tells me, yes, that's exactly what the fuck is happening here.

Yeah, no on that again. Yes, it implies America is in a decline. But it isn't "America" he's referencing. He's talking about White Heterosexual America.

Which, to be honest, is the only kind of America that Trump and his cronies care about or recognize.

 

[steve_bank]

Trump and his conspirators should go to prison.

 

[Gospel]

Won't happen. Politics and bullshit concerns over democracy itself will be the smoke and mirrors used to avoid the previous administration being held accountable. I think what the January 6th Committee hopes to achieve is to sell Americans on the idea that democracy was in trouble that day and it could get worse if we don't send a message now by holding Trump and his minions accountable. Judging by what Republican voters have sent sailing into offices across America I think the Committee's sales numbers are on par with, Toys“R”Us, Blockbusters & Radio shack.

 

[ZiprHead]

Holy shit, that was funny.

"Phony Soprano" My new favorite nickname for Trump.

 

[ZiprHead]

The threats were also directed against the election workers mother and grandmother…,

Extremely upsetting to hear of the personal threats directed towards the family if the AZ SOS while their daughter was dying in their home! And against not only election workers but their elderly mother/grandmother.

She and her mother should sue the lot of them into oblivion.

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Moss and Freeman can't sue because the Orange Turd made his accusations while he was still POTUS: "In a 5–4 decision, the Court ruled that the President is entitled to absolute immunity from legal liability for civil damages based on his official acts. The Court, however, emphasized that the President is not immune from criminal charges stemming from his official or unofficial acts while he is in office." Nixon v. Fitzgerald Defamation is a civil, not a criminal, tort.

Shit...

 

[ZiprHead]

The threats were also directed against the election workers mother and grandmother…,

Extremely upsetting to hear of the personal threats directed towards the family if the AZ SOS while their daughter was dying in their home! And against not only election workers but their elderly mother/grandmother.

She and her mother should sue the lot of them into oblivion.

​

Moss and Freeman can't sue because the Orange Turd made his accusations while he was still POTUS: "In a 5–4 decision, the Court ruled that the President is entitled to absolute immunity from legal liability for civil damages based on his official acts. The Court, however, emphasized that the President is not immune from criminal charges stemming from his official or unofficial acts while he is in office." Nixon v. Fitzgerald Defamation is a civil, not a criminal, tort.

Shit...

Guess I spoke too soon.

Two Atlanta poll workers settle defamation lawsuit against One America

Two Georgia election workers who were the target of vote-rigging conspiracy theories have reached a settlement agreement with the far-right One America News Network in their defamation lawsuit against the outlet, according to court papers filed on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

April 21 (Reuters) - Two Georgia election workers who were the target of vote-rigging conspiracy theories have reached a settlement agreement with the far-right One America News Network in their defamation lawsuit against the outlet, according to court papers filed on Thursday.

Wandrea "Shaye" Moss, a voter registration officer in Fulton County, and Ruby Freeman, Moss's mother and a temp worker for the 2020 election, sued OAN officials along with former U.S. President Donald Trump's ex-lawyer Rudy Giuliani for allegedly spreading lies about them in their efforts to overturn Trump's election loss. read more


The agreement announced on Thursday in U.S. District Court in Washington will result in Moss and Freeman's asking Chief Judge Beryl Howell to dismiss the OAN defendants from the litigation. In addition to the network itself, those defendants are OAN Chief Executive Robert Herring, President Charles Herring and reporter Chanel Rion.

Terms of the settlement were not disclosed in a joint status report filed with the court.

Lawsuits against Ghouliani and the Gateway Pundit are stillin process.