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maxparrish said:
I grant you though, she can use his tax returns and perhaps medical records, but not much else. If he were bright enough, he would point out that his personal privacy rights of tax returns and medical health should not be an issue; reckless government record destruction and influence peddling is an issue.
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Except that
1) like it or not, Presidential candidates routinely provide tax returns and medical records, so for Mr. Live My Life in Public Trump would have a hard time playing the personal privacy issue, and
2) Trump has bragged about how he has bought influence, so he'd look like a hypocrite.
 
laughing dog said:
maxparrish said:
I grant you though, she can use his tax returns and perhaps medical records, but not much else. If he were bright enough, he would point out that his personal privacy rights of tax returns and medical health should not be an issue; reckless government record destruction and influence peddling is an issue.
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Except that
1) like it or not, Presidential candidates routinely provide tax returns and medical records, so for Mr. Live My Life in Public Trump would have a hard time playing the personal privacy issue, and
2) Trump has bragged about how he has bought influence, so he'd look like a hypocrite.
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An interesting article regarding the release of medical records and difficulties encountered in doing so.

As for tax returns, especially for a large multinational business involving different companies it's better to get the accounts audited by the tax office if they so desire to do so.
Essentially companies are managed by executives on behalf of the shareholders and owners so are not micromanaged and possibly mismanaged. One example is to cheat by calling waste of capital (investment in failed aborted projects) as investment in development. This could backfire if spotted during an audit where it was not the Owner but his management involved. There is some sketchy information about Trump companies on the Bloomberg website but no accounts indicated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/u...ical-records-first-you-must-collect-them.html

One of Donald J. Trump’s recent attack lines against Hillary Clinton focuses on her health: If she has nothing to hide, he asks in a tweet, why doesn’t she release her medical records to the public?

For the moment, put aside Mr. Trump’s own revelations about his medical history, which consist of a hyperbolic, undated letter with little detail from his gastroenterologist. And put aside Mrs. Clinton’s own recent disclosures, which include a somewhat more detailed accounting of her health and medication history from the internist who has overseen her care in recent years. Put aside, finally, the question of whether complete medical records would allay the conspiracy theories of some of Mrs. Clinton’s critics, who say a recent cough is a sign of disqualifying illness or believe she experienced a seizure during a recent news conference.


Obtaining a complete set of Mrs. Clinton’s health records would require a perfect accounting of every doctor’s office she has visited in her life, and then requests for copies of the records that still exist. Collecting records can be challenging for patients: Doctors and hospitals, fearful of inadvertently violating federal medical privacy laws or simply reluctant to put in the legwork, often refuse to email or even mail records to patients. And even when medical providers comply with requests, the results can be confusing and inconvenient — requiring fax machines, CD-ROM discs with unfamiliar file formats, or photocopies of pages in a physician’s scrawl.

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By historical standards, neither candidate in this election has been particularly forthcoming about matters of health, despite being older than typical for the job they seek. While candidates in the past may not have published comprehensive reams of documents, most did provide more than a short doctor’s note. Given the complexity of collecting and interpreting medical records, something in between might help the public better assess the health of the candidates hoping to lead the country. (Dan Diamond at Politico recently wrote about one intriguing idea: a panel of independent physicians who would evaluate every candidate on the public’s behalf.)

But if the standard is detailed medical records, Mr. Trump might also struggle with the same challenges of technology, logistics and clarity that afflict college freshmen trying to confirm their vaccination records; or weekend warriors wishing to bring an M.R.I. to a sports medicine doctor; or cancer patients seeking a second opinion. Or anyone with a chronic illness who has ever moved. (Even someone with “astonishingly excellent” test results has probably seen a few medical providers in 70 years.)

Dr. Tierney worked for years in Indiana to help the state develop a cutting-edge health information exchange, a place where most of the state’s hospitals shared patients’ medical data. After 44 years in the state, he queried the exchange for his records before leaving. He paid $100 for an inch-and-a-half-thick stack of papers.

“I went to my new doctor,” he said. “I put it on the table. And she said, fill out the form.”

There again Trump has released some information but not his past history.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...akes-cholesterol-lowering-drug-is-overweight/

Trump discussed the results of the exam on "The Dr. Oz Show" on Thursday afternoon, saying that presidential candidates have an "obligation" to voters to be healthy and that he feels like he is still in his 30s.

"When you're running for president, I think you have an obligation to be healthy. I just don't think you can do the work if you're not healthy. I don't think you can represent the country properly if you're not a healthy person," Trump, 70, said on the health talk-show, adding that the last time he was hospitalized was when he had his appendix removed at age 11.

[Trump admits he wouldn’t release his medical results if they were ‘bad’]

The one-page letter is signed by Trump's longtime doctor, Harold N. Bornstein, a gastroenterological specialist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York. The letter states that Trump is 6 foot 3 inches tall and weighs 236 pounds, making him overweight and on the verge of being obese for his height. Trump said in the interview that he would like to lose 15 to 20 pounds but that weight loss has always been difficult for him because of his lifestyle.

The letter also lists the results of recent lab tests, which Bornstein says are all within the normal range. The letter says that Trump takes a statin, a drug for lowering cholesterol, along with a low dose of aspirin. During the talk show, Trump said that both of his parents lived to an old age and many of his mother's relatives in Scotland lived into their 90s. The letter states that there "is no family history of premature cardiac or neoplastic disease."

While the letter released by Trump gives more information on his health and physical makeup than previously known, it does not constitute his medical records nor does it give extensive detail about past health matters.

Trump discussed the document with talk-show host and surgeon Dr. Mehmet Oz during a taping in New York on Wednesday that aired on Thursday afternoon. Oz is popular nationally but his credibility has been questioned by critics. Trump disclosed the one-page letter to The Washington Post on Thursday soon before the campaign released it publicly. In the letter, which is dated Sept. 13, Bornstein states that Trump has been under his care since 1980, and sits for an annual physical exam.

Bornstein's letter this week lacked the creativity of a letter he signed in December that called Trump's health “extraordinary” and declared he would be “the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency.” Bornstein told NBC News last month that he wrote the letter in about five minutes as a Trump associate waited to collect it, though he stood by his glowing assessment.

In the letter released on Thursday, Trump’s “laboratory results” from a blood test and other exams are also given. He has a cholesterol level of 169, with his level of high-density lipoproteins at 63, his low-density lipoproteins at 94.

The businessman’s blood pressure is 116 over 70. His blood sugar level is 99 milligrams per deciliter. Trump’s level of triglycerides, which are a type of fat in blood, is 61 milligrams per deciliter. And his prostate-specific antigen level is measured as 0.15.

“His liver function and thyroid function tests are all within the normal range,” Bornstein writes, adding that “his last colonoscopy was performed on July 10, 2013 which was normal and revealed no polyps.”

Trump’s latest electrocardiogram test and chest X-ray took place in April 2016 and were “normal."

With regard to Trump’s heart, Bornstein writes that “his cardiac evaluation included a transthoracic echocardiogram” in December 2014 and “this study was reported within the range of normal.”

Bornstein notes that there is “no family history of premature cardiac or neoplastic disease” and that Trump’s parents, Fred and Mary, “lived into their late 80s and 90s.”
 
whichphilosophy said:
As for tax returns, especially for a large multinational business involving different companies it's better to get the accounts audited by the tax office if they so desire to do so....
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The discussion is about Mr. Trump's personal income tax returns, so why your focus on corporate or business taxes? It is inconceivable that Mr. Trump (or his accountant) does not have a copy of his personal income tax returns that he sent to the IRS.

whichphilosophy said:
One of Donald J. Trump’s recent attack lines against Hillary Clinton focuses on her health: If she has nothing to hide, he asks in a tweet, why doesn’t she release her medical records to the public?....
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The summary of your response is that it is almost impossible for any candidate to release all of their medical records and that Mr. Trump has released an extremely short record of his recent checkup. I am unaware of anyone asking for all of the medical records of anyone to be released. And, as your own article points out, Mr. Trump did not release anything about his medical history (something candidates routinely do).
 
laughing dog said:
The discussion is about Mr. Trump's personal income tax returns, so why your focus on corporate or business taxes? It is inconceivable that Mr. Trump (or his accountant) does not have a copy of his personal income tax returns that he sent to the IRS.

whichphilosophy said:
One of Donald J. Trump’s recent attack lines against Hillary Clinton focuses on her health: If she has nothing to hide, he asks in a tweet, why doesn’t she release her medical records to the public?....
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The summary of your response is that it is almost impossible for any candidate to release all of their medical records and that Mr. Trump has released an extremely short record of his recent checkup. I am unaware of anyone asking for all of the medical records of anyone to be released. And, as your own article points out, Mr. Trump did not release anything about his medical history (something candidates routinely do).
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He can issue his own if he wants but perhaps he wants to wait until the company one's are audited.
As for medical records it seems that the most thorough one was issued by McCain. Sometimes some historical ones (possibly of no importance) could be missing. Both candidates have not issued a full set yet.
 
Horatio Parker said:
I think Trump learning not to fly off the handle is even more important than learning policy.

He got some licks in, but HRC got more.
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He got A lick in, regarding the email with his 'that wasn't a mistake'. Pretty much he was talking about how he was going to close the barn door after the cow left a couple decades ago.
 
If only they hadn't run Hillary; the ultimate insider. Most of Trumps mainstream draw (and yes, he does have some) stems from his image as outsider to the political establishment. So this becomes as election for many about the status quo corrupt insider politics vs a total crap shoot roll of the dice on an outsider enigma who says some crazy things. The fact that Trump is even in this conversation at all is a HUGE indicator that people want real change (not fake Obama change) to the point that they seem ok with burning it all down (Trump for 4 years) and rebuilding after.
 
Jolly_Penguin said:
If only they hadn't run Hillary; the ultimate insider. Most of Trumps mainstream draw (and yes, he does have some) stems from his image as outsider to the political establishment. So this becomes as election for many about the status quo corrupt insider politics vs a total crap shoot roll of the dice on an outsider enigma who says some crazy things. The fact that Trump is even in this conversation at all is a HUGE indicator that people want real change (not fake Obama change) to the point that they seem ok with burning it all down (Trump for 4 years) and rebuilding after.
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I think this is pretty accurate. Both parties are building dynasties and quite frankly, that has be stopped.
 
TSwizzle said:
Jolly_Penguin said:
If only they hadn't run Hillary; the ultimate insider. Most of Trumps mainstream draw (and yes, he does have some) stems from his image as outsider to the political establishment. So this becomes as election for many about the status quo corrupt insider politics vs a total crap shoot roll of the dice on an outsider enigma who says some crazy things. The fact that Trump is even in this conversation at all is a HUGE indicator that people want real change (not fake Obama change) to the point that they seem ok with burning it all down (Trump for 4 years) and rebuilding after.
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I think this is pretty accurate. Both parties are building dynasties and quite frankly, that has be stopped.
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AMEN...

This is why I was so glad to see Jeb Bush's candidacy rejected during the Republican primaries.

I think, like Jolly_Penguin, that Trump's appeal is that he isn't a career politician - he doesn't seem to have much else going for him.
 
Jolly_Penguin said:
So this becomes as election for many about the status quo corrupt insider politics vs a total crap shoot roll of the dice on an outsider enigma who says some crazy things. The fact that Trump is even in this conversation at all is a HUGE indicator that people want real change (not fake Obama change) to the point that they seem ok with burning it all down (Trump for 4 years) and rebuilding after.
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This is an election that underscores the mass confusion of our electorate-they really don't know what they want except what they are told they want by their media of choice-we've become a nation of lazy thinkers. If they really wanted "change" they would be concentrating on the congressional election in their district, I'd be willing to bet that a vast majority of Americans couldn't tell you who is even running for congress in their district-no, instead they focus on the big show-the blockbuster, because that is where all the media hype is.

The President of the United States has very little power to make change, but again the issue as I see it is that when quizzed about what specific change people want, most have a hard time putting their finger on it, other than generalities. Most do say they want to control the way elections can be bought by special interests, yet those same people whole heartedly support candidates in their districts that oppose Campaign Finance Reform.

How fucked up a democracy is will always be directly proportional to how fucked up the electorate is.
 
Will Wiley said:
Trump will never win the Republican nomination.
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Trump's run is unprecedented. People can be forgiven for thinking the unlikely wouldn't happen. They underestimated how big a chunk of the Republican Party had no sense at all.
 
laughing dog said:
...as your own article points out, Mr. Trump did not release anything about his medical history (something candidates routinely do).
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We don't need any experts to interpret basic facts. At 274 lbs and 6'2" in height, Trump has a BMI over 35 and is defined as "OBESE". Yet trumpophiles seem unworried that he might fall over dead or make bad decisions due to pre-diabetic blood sugar fluctuations...
 
Tristan Scott said:
This is an election that underscores the mass confusion of our electorate-they really don't know what they want except what they are told they want by their media of choice-we've become a nation of lazy thinkers. If they really wanted "change" they would be concentrating on the congressional election in their district, I'd be willing to bet that a vast majority of Americans couldn't tell you who is even running for congress in their district-no, instead they focus on the big show-the blockbuster, because that is where all the media hype is. The President of the United States has very little power to make change, but again the issue as I see it is that when quizzed about what specific change people want, most have a hard time putting their finger on it, other than generalities. Most do say they want to control the way elections can be bought by special interests, yet those same people whole heartedly support candidates in their districts that oppose Campaign Finance Reform.
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Indeed, I don't think people realize that not only does the president have very limited powers, but when they vote in an election, they are not directly voting for a president. The president is determined elsewhere in the process. This whole media circus surrounding Trump and Clinton is nauseating.
 
TSwizzle said:
Tristan Scott said:
This is an election that underscores the mass confusion of our electorate-they really don't know what they want except what they are told they want by their media of choice-we've become a nation of lazy thinkers. If they really wanted "change" they would be concentrating on the congressional election in their district, I'd be willing to bet that a vast majority of Americans couldn't tell you who is even running for congress in their district-no, instead they focus on the big show-the blockbuster, because that is where all the media hype is. The President of the United States has very little power to make change, but again the issue as I see it is that when quizzed about what specific change people want, most have a hard time putting their finger on it, other than generalities. Most do say they want to control the way elections can be bought by special interests, yet those same people whole heartedly support candidates in their districts that oppose Campaign Finance Reform.
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Indeed, I don't think people realize that not only does the president have very limited powers, but when they vote in an election, they are not directly voting for a president. The president is determined elsewhere in the process. This whole media circus surrounding Trump and Clinton is nauseating.
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Therefore it's somehow a good idea to vote for Trump.
 
GenesisNemesis said:
TSwizzle said:
Indeed, I don't think people realize that not only does the president have very limited powers, but when they vote in an election, they are not directly voting for a president. The president is determined elsewhere in the process. This whole media circus surrounding Trump and Clinton is nauseating.
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Therefore it's somehow a good idea to vote for Trump.
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It's a good idea - no, a GREAT idea, TREMENDOUS idea to vote for Trump. Because he will get to appoint Supreme Court Justices, and we know that the people he attracts are FANTASTIC people - the BEST, most ethical people. Like Roger Ayles, that paragon of virtue, and Steve Bannon, hero of The People...
 
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