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My understanding is that the sin was it was effectively an illegal campaign contribution. Still, though, it's mostly dirty bookkeeping.
isn’t the crime already established? Michael Cohen went to jail for it, right? They just have to prove Trump directed it.

Michael Cohen PLED guilty; he didn't wait for proof. And he did so in FEDERAL court because campaign financing crimes are FEDERAL crimes. The State of New York cannot charge campaign financing crimes directly: they are not state crimes.

Of course Trump is GUILTY. Nobody here is arguing differently. The subtopic is the more practical
Will all 12 jurors look at the prisoner at the bar and SAY that he is guilty?
 
My understanding is that the sin was it was effectively an illegal campaign contribution. Still, though, it's mostly dirty bookkeeping.
isn’t the crime already established? Michael Cohen went to jail for it, right? They just have to prove Trump directed it.

Michael Cohen PLED guilty; he didn't wait for proof. And he did so in FEDERAL court because campaign financing crimes are FEDERAL crimes. The State of New York cannot charge campaign financing crimes directly: they are not state crimes.

Of course Trump is GUILTY. Nobody here is arguing differently. The subtopic is the more practical
Will all 12 jurors look at the prisoner at the bar and SAY that he is guilty?
I keep going back to something a prosecutor told me many years ago. He said that if you want a 100 percent conviction rate (which he had), you should never bring a case to trial unless you are 100 percent certain you can get a conviction from a jury. A trial is a huge commitment of time, money, and resources, so if you can get a plea deal, go for that.

If I remember correctly, none of these prosecutors has offered a plea deal to L. Ron Tubbard. So they've all asked themselves "can I get a conviction in front of a jury no matter what?" and answered "yeah, I've got this guy dead to rights."
 
How many peremptory challenges was the Defendant allowed? Apparently they were all used up.

New Yorkers who said they couldn’t approach the case fairly were excused during jury selection. But one of the women with the harshest assessments of him will be among those who will determine his fate on 34 counts of falsifying business records.

“I don’t like his persona, how he presents himself in public,” said the woman, who has lived in upper Manhattan for the last 15 years. The woman said she didn’t agree with some of Trump’s politics, which she called “outrageous.”

“He just seems very selfish and self-serving, so I don’t really appreciate that in any public servant,” she said, adding that while she doesn’t “know him as a person,” how he “portrays himself in public, it just seems to me it is not my cup of tea.”

Trump’s legal team took issue with her responses, but they were out of challenges by the time she was up for consideration.

I'm betting on Hung Jury. Even if no closet MAGAts were seated, and even if no jurors are fearful enough of MAGAt murderers to vote for acquittal, aren't the charges confusing? Paying the hush money was legal; isn't the underlying felony just the failure to report the bribe as campaign spending?
A hung jury is a possibility, but as far as the underlying crime, there's falsifying business records in there as well...and if the fraud trial is any indication, that'll be an easy lift for the prosecution. IIRC it's not an "all 34 counts or he walks" proposition, either. He can be acquitted on some, convicted on others. Even if they only get him on half, that's still a "multiple felony convictions" label pulling him down with independent voters.

Another thing I noticed (aside from him being a pouty little bitch in court) is that when he delivers his rants going in and coming out, it's all the same stuff. "The corrupt district attorney, the crooked judge, it's a political witch hunt by Joe Biden and the Democrats" yada, yada, yada. If this trial goes on for 6-8 weeks as expected, those little tirades are going to lose their punch pretty quickly, because if it's not new, it's not news. Trump is making a mistake if he thinks that making the same tired statement outside the courtroom every day is newsworthy, and in case you haven't noticed, his last rank took a backsteat to "dude sets himself on fire."

And while his accusations of it being timed to hurt his campaign are off base, it IS hurting his ability to campaign. He's sitting sullenly in a cold courtroom all day when he could be having staged photo ops at factories with him awkwardly wearing a hard hat.
He timed it to hurt his campaign so that he could crybully through it.
 
He isn't remotely that savvy.

He delayed as much as he could and tried to get every case thrown out.
He did, but this is where the delays led, to shitting up elections with trials that will inevitably be called "political" despite the fact that the only politics involved are the politics of being a politician while also acting as a criminal.
 
He isn't remotely that savvy.

He delayed as much as he could and tried to get every case thrown out.
He did, but this is where the delays led, to shitting up elections with trials that will inevitably be called "political" despite the fact that the only politics involved are the politics of being a politician while also acting as a criminal.
Very similar to his “no fair trial because of all the pre-trial publicity I generated” trope.
 
Only in his imagination. I doubt the verdict will matter much if he is found guilty. If he is found innocent, it could harm Biden.
 
Judge Merchan says he is reserving judgment on escalation to gag order on Trump.

After denoting frustration with Trump's lawyers regarding Trump's communications online and in front of the press at the courthouse, Judge Merchan suggested he might replace Trump's phone with an old flip phone he got from the Courthouse Lost and Found, and will consider adding a ball gag to the gag order. Trump's lawyers were trying to defend Trump's actions by pretending (or maybe not pretending?) they were stupid as all fuck. "Your honor, your order was vague and it didn't explain what the word 'won't' means."
 
Judge says to defense attorney:

YOU’RE LOSING CREDIBILITY WITH THE COURT.

I’ve never heard of a judge telling an attorney anything like that in open court.
 
WTF, they keep not spending a day in court. Is Trump wiffing it up that badly?!

As a note, all my posts in italics are fake/sarcastic observations.
 
Trump Tries to STOP TRIAL with Emergency Motion (again)


We all knew this was coming. Wasn't there even discussion that Cannon would try to stop the trial after seating the jury so double Jeopardy would kick in or some shit?
 
They realize that they are establishing motive, not saying was a crime, right? The crime was the bank paper pushing. Hiding that they paid Daniels.

I HOPE the Prosecution is emphasizing this very carefully. The legal basis for charging these crimes as New York felonies is VERY confusing I think.
They should explain it and re-explain it to the jury every chance they get.

I see that transcripts of the opening arguments will be made available by the Court. I hope an Infidel will post links to those transcripts when available.

ETA: In an ordinary trial, e.g. for murder, you get the jury enraged by describing the stab wounds, etc. Talking about the Murder induces rage about the crime of murder.

But that doesn't work here. :-( Discussion of the sex and hush money may enrage the jury -- that's good! -- but is disconnected from the actual charges.
 
They realize that they are establishing motive, not saying was a crime, right? The crime was the bank paper pushing. Hiding that they paid Daniels.

I HOPE the Prosecution is emphasizing this very carefully. The legal basis for charging these crimes as New York felonies is VERY confusing I think.
I was a bit loose with the pronouns. The defense lawyers realize that...

Trump's lawyers seem underclassed here.
 
Discussion of the sex and hush money may enrage the jury -- that's good! -- but is disconnected from the actual charges.

They’re spending lotsa time on the Pecker, getting him to describe the lowlife operational principles underlying the catch-and-kill conspiracy. It paints a next-level sliminess on the whole smarmy deal. Which may be entirely beside the point, legally speaking. But it lays out the terrain contours that will render the allegations regarding trumpy’s motives more credible. It will also, hopefully, put a terrible taste in the mouths of some “swing” voters.
 
My understanding is that the sin was it was effectively an illegal campaign contribution. Still, though, it's mostly dirty bookkeeping.
isn’t the crime already established? Michael Cohen went to jail for it, right? They just have to prove Trump directed it.
Yeah, it's just tying him to an established sin.
 
"WHAT A TRAVESTY. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS. LIBERAL MEDIA. BLAH BLAH BLAH"- saved you from reading the conservative comments.
 
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