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I have other things to worry about these days so I was trying my hardest not to get let the political situation get to me like the first Trump administration did. But this one has put me far over the edge. They are claiming that no classified information was discussed in the Signal thread. That means one of two things: a) They are lying, or b) They are so grossly incompetent that they didn't classify a war plan! I'm not sure what is worse.
 
I have other things to worry about these days so I was trying my hardest not to get let the political situation get to me like the first Trump administration did. But this one has put me far over the edge. They are claiming that no classified information was discussed in the Signal thread. That means one of two things: a) They are lying, or b) They are so grossly incompetent that they didn't classify a war plan! I'm not sure what is worse.

Por que no los dos?

This is the opposite of the excuse that Trump used when he was caught sharing classified materials regarding Iran with people at Mar A Lardo. He claimed that he'd "declassified" all the documents he took (and showed off), but this time he claims he had no idea what was going on, AND his administration said nothing was classified.

The other extremely disturbing thing is that we don't know what else they've discussed on Signal/their private phones. Was this the one time they used it and just happened to open the convo up to an outsider? Or have they been communicating all along like this? As many others have noted, the answer to "why didn't they use established government communication channels" appears to be "because there's a record of that."

So they're not just using an unsecure public app and their private phones to discuss war plans. They're doing it on purpose to hide their actions. This is ALL worse.
 
But wait...there's more! Asked about the leak (that he caused and is now "investigating") on Fox Noise, Mike Waltz - the National Security Advisor to the President - said that we don't need to worry. Elon Musk is on the case, and while he launched a broadside at the reporter HE added to the group, he also insisted he didn't know him.

No, Seriously...

We’re going to get to the bottom of it. We have– I just talked to Elon on the way here. We’ve got the best technical minds looking at how this happened. But I can tell you, I can tell you for 100% I don’t know this guy.

Why would you add a guy you 100% don't know to a high level national security chat? Or...if you didn't add him to the chat, who did? If you say (like you did) that he "hacked" the app, then you obviously shouldn't be using a public messaging app to discuss national security matters. Right?

But Tulsi said nothing classified was discussed, so if he "hacked" the discussion, it's...no big deal? Right?

Gods these people are idiots.
 
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you obviously shouldn't be using a public messaging app to discuss national security matters. Right?
And why hasn't the "hacker" been arrested? I guess we're coming to that, eh?
 
This calls for a serious amount of Whadabout!
Happy to oblige.
Reminded me "Fuck the EU" moment Obama administration had. In case you forgot Obama was a democrat.:D
Wow. Not even close to close.
It's actually worse. In case of Obama, his officials were using 100% insecure line to discuss their shenanigans.
In both cases they were highly disrespectful toward Europe.
Sez the guy who's boss constantly threatens European countries.
Trump is not my boss.
 
This calls for a serious amount of Whadabout!
Happy to oblige.
Reminded me "Fuck the EU" moment Obama administration had. In case you forgot Obama was a democrat.:D
Wow. Not even close to close.
It's actually worse. In case of Obama, his officials were using 100% insecure line to discuss their shenanigans.
In both cases they were highly disrespectful toward Europe.
Sez the guy who's boss constantly threatens European countries.
Trump is not my boss.
It his buddy Putin is. And Putin sure does act like a huge threat to Europe
 
This calls for a serious amount of Whadabout!
Happy to oblige.
Reminded me "Fuck the EU" moment Obama administration had. In case you forgot Obama was a democrat.:D
Wow. Not even close to close.
It's actually worse. In case of Obama, his officials were using 100% insecure line to discuss their shenanigans.
In both cases they were highly disrespectful toward Europe.
Sez the guy who's boss constantly threatens European countries.
Trump is not my boss.
It his buddy Putin is. And Putin sure does act like a huge threat to Europe
Europe is the main threat to Europe. Russia has not threatened Europe
 

Adam Kinzinger is an idiot and a serial BSer.


Exactly how incompetent is Russia if they never intercepted Ukrainian communications?

We do, but the Kinzinger's claim that Signal was compromised is unsupported BS of which Kinzinger is pretty famous.


Okay so tell me about some technological details of Russian communication interceptions within the last few years that ARE supported.
 

Adam Kinzinger is an idiot and a serial BSer.


Exactly how incompetent is Russia if they never intercepted Ukrainian communications?

We do, but the Kinzinger's claim that Signal was compromised is unsupported BS of which Kinzinger is pretty famous.


Okay so tell me about some technological details of Russian communication interceptions within the last few years that ARE supported.

Well, they can intercept ordinary cellphone calls like Nuland made to one of her goons in Kiev.

Signal is an open source encrypted messenger which itself has no known holes. It uses standard encryption algorithms everybody uses. Kinzinger is an idiot and a blowhard. And he himself (I believe) was once duped by russian pranksters.
The mere fact that trumpers are using Signal is a huge step up from the usual practice of politicians taking ordinary phone calls and believing that the guy with a russian accent must be Petro Poroshenko.


Following the 2016 Democratic National Committee email leak, it was reported by Vanity Fair that Marc Elias (the general counsel for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign) had instructed DNC staffers to exclusively use Signal when saying anything negative about Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.[199][200]
 
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Goldberg releases the warplans texts:

At 11:44 a.m. eastern time, Hegseth posted in the chat, in all caps, “TEAM UPDATE:”

The text beneath this began, “TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.” Centcom, or Central Command, is the military’s combatant command for the Middle East. The Hegseth text continues:

“1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)”
“1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)”

Let us pause here for a moment to underscore a point. This Signal message shows that the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg’s cellphone—at 11:44 a.m. This was 31 minutes before the first U.S. warplanes launched, and two hours and one minute before the beginning of a period in which a primary target, the Houthi “Target Terrorist,” was expected to be killed by these American aircraft. If this text had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their strongholds. The consequences for American pilots could have been catastrophic.

The Hegseth text then continued:

  • “1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)”
  • “1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)”
  • “1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”
  • “MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)”
  • “We are currently clean on OPSEC”—that is, operational security.
  • “Godspeed to our Warriors.”
Shortly after, Vice President J. D. Vance texted the group, “I will say a prayer for victory.”


“We are currently clean on OPSEC” has to be the best line from it.
 
If this text had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their strongholds. The consequences for American pilots could have been catastrophic.
Given that at least one person on the chain was IN THE FUCKING KREMLIN at the time, it’s a good thing we’re on Putin’s side. ?$&-#%!!! Da fuq!!

“We are currently clean on OPSEC” has to be the best line from it.
:hysterical: 😢
 
This calls for a serious amount of Whadabout!
Happy to oblige.
Reminded me "Fuck the EU" moment Obama administration had. In case you forgot Obama was a democrat.:D
Wow. Not even close to close.
It's actually worse. In case of Obama, his officials were using 100% insecure line to discuss their shenanigans.
In both cases they were highly disrespectful toward Europe.
Sez the guy who's boss constantly threatens European countries.
Trump is not my boss.
It his buddy Putin is. And Putin sure does act like a huge threat to Europe
Europe is the main threat to Europe. Russia has not threatened Europe
Ukraine is part of Europe, and he is doing much more than threatening it.
 
Watching those Trumpsucking assholes blatantly lying through their teeth before God and Country, is TRULY a disgusting spectacle.
They and their boss(es) ALL need to be fired or otherwise eliminated.

I mean, I’m used to Cheato spewing walls of lies, but seeing this chorus line of cowardly liars, lying in unison despite hard evidence right in front of all … fucking incredible. Nauseating and infuriating.
 
A whole civilian apartment building leveled to take out one person and the reaction is "Excellent" and some childish emojis.
 

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A whole civilian apartment building leveled to take out one person and the reaction is "Excellent" and some childish emojis.
Yup. Kids in a sandbox playing war with real people’s lives. 🤬
 
If I were Goldberg, I might have remained silent expecting to be included on more such chats. (Pretend to be unaware of the chat if caught.) I'd post the chats publicly only after one of the imbeciles wrote something really stupid or incriminating ... posting AFTER taking asylum in a safe country.

Instead Goldberg reveals this first secret chat publicly? ???? Treasonous -- expect the guy to be in jail soon.
 
If I were Goldberg, I might have remained silent expecting to be included on more such chats. (Pretend to be unaware of the chat if caught.) I'd post the chats publicly only after one of the imbeciles wrote something really stupid or incriminating ... posting AFTER taking asylum in a safe country.

Instead Goldberg reveals this first secret chat publicly? ???? Treasonous -- expect the guy to be in jail soon.
As I said, this is a hanging offense (for the people who organized it). They are going to hang a journalist (for having revealed their crimes).
 
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