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Among the Catholics I know, the main focus is to cover the “went to mass” square on their bingo card. They seem to lack the motivation to think about what they’re being fed.
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Multiple pages behind, I haven't read them all... but I'll just start off by saying Hell No, this is not at all acceptable. I assume there will quickly be a constitutional challenge to this... or at least I hope so.It never ends. Add to it the audio recording of a SCOTUS judge talk about making the USA a country of god 'again'.
Louisiana becomes first state to require that Ten Commandments be displayed in public classrooms
The GOP-drafted legislation mandates that a display of the Ten Commandments in "large, easily readable font" be required in all public classrooms.www.cbsnews.com
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I also went to Catholic school for a few tears, I mean years, and I don't remember the ten commandments posted in classrooms, but we did have a crucifix in every classroom... We did have mass at the beginning of every day, and we had rosary at the end of every day, and took two years of Latin...but it was a private school...
Putting the 10 C in a public school is another story...
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Some more translation. In order, Richard Carrier, R.D. Hicks, Ed. (Perseus Digital Library), The Lives and Opinions of Eminent Philosophers | Project Gutenberg and Lives of the philosophers : Diogenes Laertius : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive - A. Robert Caponigri
1. Trust good character more than promises.
Put more trust in nobility of character than in an oath.
Consider your honour, as a gentleman, of more weight than an oath.
Put more trust in nobility of character than in an oath.
καλοκἀγαθίαν ὅρκου πιστοτέραν ἔχε - have faith in good character more than in oaths (promises)
2. Do not speak falsely.
Never tell a lie.
Never speak falsely.
Never lie.
μὴ ψεύδου - do not tell lies
3. Do good things.
Pursue worthy aims.
Pay attention to matters of importance.
Pursue worthy goals.
τὰ σπουδαῖα μελέτα - pay attention to worthy things
4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.
Do not be rash to make friends and, when once they are made, do not drop them.
Be not hasty in making friends; and do not cast off those whom you have made.
Do not make friends incautiously, but, once made, do not abandon them.
φίλους μὴ ταχὺ κτῶ: οὓς δ᾽ ἂν κτήσῃ μὴ ἀποδοκίμαζε - do not quickly make friends, but when made, do not abandon them
5. Learn to obey before you command.
Learn to obey before you command.
Rule, after you have first learnt to submit to rule.
Learn to obey before you command.
ἄρχε πρῶτον μαθὼν ἄρχεσθαι - to rule, first learn to be ruled
6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.
In giving advice seek to help, not to please, your friend.
Advise not what is most agreeable, but what is best.
In giving advice to a friend, seek to help him, not to please him.
συμβούλευε μὴ τὰ ἥδιστα, ἀλλὰ τὰ ἄριστα - do not advise what is the most pleasant, but what is best
7. Make reason your supreme commander.
Be led by reason.
Make reason your guide
Submit to reason.
νοῦν ἡγεμόνα ποιοῦ - make reason your leader / guide
8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.
Shun evil company.
Do not associate with the wicked.
Shun bad company.
μὴ κακοῖς ὁμίλει - do not associate with bad people
9. Honor the gods.
Honour the gods,
Honour the gods;
Honor the gods,
θεοὺς τίμα - honor (the) gods
10. Have regard for your parents.
reverence parents.
respect your parents.
reverence parents.
γονέας αἰδοῦ - have respect for (your) parents
Each word in Perseus's Greek version links to a page with grammatical info and links to vocabulary pages, with more than one parsing if necessary. That helped me a lot in doing these translations.
I tried to do fairly literal translations, but Ancient Greek isn't English. The grammar is very different: the ninth one is literally god-pl-obj honor-imp-2sg. Also, vocabulary doesn't exactly match.
Looking at the original reveals vocabulary features that are lost in some translations. "Learn to obey before you command" is more literally "Learn to be commanded before you command".
What I described is the sort of thing that Bible translators have to go through, so one should avoid depending too much on the exact wording of some translation.
1. Trust good character more than promises.
Put more trust in nobility of character than in an oath.
Consider your honour, as a gentleman, of more weight than an oath.
Put more trust in nobility of character than in an oath.
καλοκἀγαθίαν ὅρκου πιστοτέραν ἔχε - have faith in good character more than in oaths (promises)
2. Do not speak falsely.
Never tell a lie.
Never speak falsely.
Never lie.
μὴ ψεύδου - do not tell lies
3. Do good things.
Pursue worthy aims.
Pay attention to matters of importance.
Pursue worthy goals.
τὰ σπουδαῖα μελέτα - pay attention to worthy things
4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.
Do not be rash to make friends and, when once they are made, do not drop them.
Be not hasty in making friends; and do not cast off those whom you have made.
Do not make friends incautiously, but, once made, do not abandon them.
φίλους μὴ ταχὺ κτῶ: οὓς δ᾽ ἂν κτήσῃ μὴ ἀποδοκίμαζε - do not quickly make friends, but when made, do not abandon them
5. Learn to obey before you command.
Learn to obey before you command.
Rule, after you have first learnt to submit to rule.
Learn to obey before you command.
ἄρχε πρῶτον μαθὼν ἄρχεσθαι - to rule, first learn to be ruled
6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.
In giving advice seek to help, not to please, your friend.
Advise not what is most agreeable, but what is best.
In giving advice to a friend, seek to help him, not to please him.
συμβούλευε μὴ τὰ ἥδιστα, ἀλλὰ τὰ ἄριστα - do not advise what is the most pleasant, but what is best
7. Make reason your supreme commander.
Be led by reason.
Make reason your guide
Submit to reason.
νοῦν ἡγεμόνα ποιοῦ - make reason your leader / guide
8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.
Shun evil company.
Do not associate with the wicked.
Shun bad company.
μὴ κακοῖς ὁμίλει - do not associate with bad people
9. Honor the gods.
Honour the gods,
Honour the gods;
Honor the gods,
θεοὺς τίμα - honor (the) gods
10. Have regard for your parents.
reverence parents.
respect your parents.
reverence parents.
γονέας αἰδοῦ - have respect for (your) parents
Each word in Perseus's Greek version links to a page with grammatical info and links to vocabulary pages, with more than one parsing if necessary. That helped me a lot in doing these translations.
I tried to do fairly literal translations, but Ancient Greek isn't English. The grammar is very different: the ninth one is literally god-pl-obj honor-imp-2sg. Also, vocabulary doesn't exactly match.
Looking at the original reveals vocabulary features that are lost in some translations. "Learn to obey before you command" is more literally "Learn to be commanded before you command".
What I described is the sort of thing that Bible translators have to go through, so one should avoid depending too much on the exact wording of some translation.
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No, what I said is a matter of records. Ukro-nazi themselves admit that.
False.
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No, it's not.
https://orthochristian.com/117882.html
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The U.S. government is making itself felt in Orthodox internal politics.
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From Media Bias Fact Check: These media sources are slight to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or stereotypes) to favor conservative causes.No, it's not.
https://orthochristian.com/117882.html
The CIA’s Man in Constantinople
The U.S. government is making itself felt in Orthodox internal politics.www.theamericanconservative.com
The bolded words above describes the article posted in spades. Numerous references to the highly questionable New York Post does nothing to deter that description.
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From Media Bias Fact Check: These media sources are slight to moderately conservative in bias.No, it's not.
https://orthochristian.com/117882.html
The CIA’s Man in Constantinople
The U.S. government is making itself felt in Orthodox internal politics.
Really? From a website called “The American Conservative”? Color me shocked!
It's also worth pointing out TheAmericanConservative is an opinion website, typically writing outrage pieces against "wokeness". So basically a glorified AOL website written by Limbaugh wannabes.
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News out of Oklahoma, even worse...
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Oklahoma state superintendent orders schools to teach the Bible in grades 5 through 12
Oklahoma's top education official is ordering public schools to incorporate the Bible into lessons for grades 5 through 12.
apnews.com
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This has become quite serious at this point. Look at the big picture...the anti-CRT legislation changing the way racism is talked about (or not talked about) in school, the don't say gay bill, 10 commandments in schools, now teaching the bible explicitly...and it's growing in other states. Put this in the greater context of anti-IVF and anti-women's choice...and with the intensely conservative Supreme Court...this can all be upheld and when Trump wins, even more will happen as the courts will become even more conservative.
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News out of Oklahoma, even worse...
Oklahoma state superintendent orders schools to teach the Bible in grades 5 through 12
Oklahoma's top education official is ordering public schools to incorporate the Bible into lessons for grades 5 through 12.
No... it isn't. The New Testament is vague commentary and Jesus fan fiction. The Old Testament is an out of order retelling of the Tanakh, of which the first five books are pre-history and dubious retelling of the origins of the Hebrews. Then it goes on a somewhat historical take on the Israel's not so great year, a few good years, and back to not great years. Cultural touchstone?! Christians pasteurized the culture right out of the Tanakh.article said:
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Actually this is an opportunity. There’s a lot in that book that Christians don’t want kids to know about. Like dashing their very heads against the rocks.News out of Oklahoma, even worse...
Oklahoma state superintendent orders schools to teach the Bible in grades 5 through 12
Oklahoma's top education official is ordering public schools to incorporate the Bible into lessons for grades 5 through 12.
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Or discussing Matthew 19:12 "accept that this is a thing."Actually this is an opportunity. There’s a lot in that book that Christians don’t want kids to know about. Like dashing their very heads against the rocks.News out of Oklahoma, even worse...
Oklahoma state superintendent orders schools to teach the Bible in grades 5 through 12
Oklahoma's top education official is ordering public schools to incorporate the Bible into lessons for grades 5 through 12.