Yes, we have heard pedophile priests say that they didn't know it was wrong, they didn't know it was illegal, and that the age of culpability happens to be their victim's age, and more. Yes, we're aware of what comes out of depraved mouths.
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Yes, we have heard pedophile priests say that they didn't know it was wrong, they didn't know it was illegal, and that the age of culpability happens to be their victim's age, and more. Yes, we're aware of what comes out of depraved mouths.
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People do horrible things to powerless kids.
...and they have endless excuses and rationalisations.
...and they have endless excuses and rationalisations.
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Off-topic, but I'm glad you brought up abortion so I can once again note that 70% of abortions in the US are by Christian women.
Why is this little fact ignored? Did you not know about it?
Is that the point you meant to make? Either way, it's not relevant to the fact that so many among us will hear of these child rape cases and quickly move into action to criticize people for having the gall to use the phrase "victim-blaming" when what he actually said was that she was a "willing participant." That's not nearly as bad as saying he flat out blamed her, and we are crazy and evil for suggesting as much.
We see your priorities.
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Not really. If you devalue the worth of children you shouldn't be surprised that multiple forms of child abuse flourish. There's a connection.
So what?
Does that make it right?
Probably because (even if it IS true) your argumentum ad populam doesn't really prove much.
I know there are a LOT of abortions.
Abortion-on-demand lobbyists use the same sort of rationalization. The victim of abortion is a victim of their own powerlessness. Embryos aren't 'viable' so it's their fault they aren't able to live without adult help.
This is akin to the argument that the child rape victim didn't resist sufficiently.
Embryos don't feel anything so it's a victimless crime - a bit like using a date rape drug right?
Defending powerless children from adult hedonism?
YEP! You bet that's my priority.
Well spotted.
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I have to wonder what kind of mind comes up with connecting child rape to abortion because it illogical and sick to do so.
Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rticipant-records-say/?utm_term=.92e9cdc20585
Fox local
http://fox8.com/2016/09/14/ex-ohio-mayor-faces-rape-charges-for-sexual-abuse-of-child/
That one doesn't mention him saying she was a willing participant.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rticipant-records-say/?utm_term=.92e9cdc20585
Fox local
http://fox8.com/2016/09/14/ex-ohio-mayor-faces-rape-charges-for-sexual-abuse-of-child/
That one doesn't mention him saying she was a willing participant.
No, there isn't. Just like reefer madness and video game hysteria, any theory concocted to make a connection you want will do.
Can you show me anything I've said that would back up this idea that I don't value children? Because "pro-choice=devalues children" only means something to your fellow zealots, patting each other on the backs in your fight for fetuses. The more zealous a "pro-lifer" is, the less they seem to care about actual human beings. How can people let their religion turn them into such ignorant, inhumane machines?
Again, it's ideological "value" on life that Christians demonstrate. Actions speak louder than stated beliefs, and Christians demonstrate daily that their concern for other human beings is ideological, not actual. If they really felt a concern for human life, there's a millions ways to help people and save lives that doesn't involve violating another's private life. But then again, actual care and concern would not serve to further oppress women, all it would do is help people, so not too many Christians on that bandwagon.
There IS, however, connection between Christianity and right wing authoritarianism. There IS a connection between religion and all kinds of things you're not supposed to believe are true of Christians: war, porn, fascism for starters.
It makes Christian outrage a joke. It makes you vapid hypocrites. It also underscores the myth that it's not the woman who decides on whether she will have an abortion. Obviously, she is, as Christians women themselves are showing us as they are having most of the abortions. No matter what hypocrisy is coming out of their mouths, they show that it is the woman who chooses, and her reasons are her business. Thank you, Christian women, for demonstrating this reality so well, even as so many of you go on railing in oblivion.
When Christian America shows that its principles are humane and show actual human concern for living, born children who are suffering, we might entertain your little joke. If you want to know whether an abortion is right, ask the woman. It's her choice, not yours.
It proves a lot. It shows that the pro life movement is not just hypocritical but ideological and not based in actual concern for actual humans. If that was the case, there's be no orphans or hungry children in this country of 70% Christians and I would expect that most abortions would be had by non-Christians. That's not what we see, though.
You really didn't know about this, did you? Google it. You will find the reports from the CHRISTIAN organizations who conducted the research.
Why didn't you know that Christian women have 70% of abortions? I would think someone who is so quick to imply that liberals don't care about fetuses and therefore we don't care about human beings who are born and suffering would know about such things as the fact that 70% of abortions are done by Christian women. Especially since the research was conducted and published by a Christian organization and the info is right at your fingertips. I guess the misbelief that Christians wouldn't be having abortions prevented you from questioning that.
I know there are a LOT of children who are hungry. I know there are a LOT of women and children who are abused. I know there are a lot of elderly who need care and food as well. I can't help but notice how little right wingers care about all that. The right is taking as much as possible from the rights and benefits of the most vulnerable among us, but our hero here is out to save fetuses. Starving people makes a fine world, but a woman ending her own pregnancy is civilization doomed.
Why can't religious people get educated? Seriously. Why are you all so mistrustful of knowing things about the world you live in?
I think you need to learn what types of things destroy a civilization and what makes one peaceful and prosperous. (Hint: One major factor has to do with how women and vulnerable groups are treated by the society. You can figure it out from there. That is, if you're curious and not just bent on hammering on things that are none of your business.)
No, they are not victims, and whatever discomfort anyone has about abortion is paled by the fact that a woman's body is no longer the property of knuckledraggers and religious sickos who don't have the capacity to know what's their business and what's not. An infantile religion such as yours has the effect of producing infantile minds who have apparently never been taught that they don't control other people, or even some basic instruction in boundaries. Diminished capacity for seeing other humans as autonomous beings who are not beholden to superstitious horror stories masquerading as a "moral" system.
The mother is the arbiter. You hypocrites need to learn self reflection and empathy and mind your own fucking business.
No, it isn't. That is sick. I'm so glad you posted it here where I can quote it and you can't delete it. It's good to show these examples of minds in the process of ignoring, defending, and waving off all manner of atrocities for the purpose of imagining they got one over on a dirty liberal on abortion. Because that's way more important than defending actual, living people who suffer, in this specific case at the hands of a Good Christian.
Yeah, that's the ticket. Pretend to care about clumps of cells because your authoritative religious mouthpieces have been conveniently making it a Christian platform for you. Why don't they make hungry children and old people their platform? Why do these folks who care so deeply for fetuses can so easily turn away form actual living humans who are suffering, and will suffer a great deal more when your wind sock and his neo Nazis are done. We see your priorities. You're not interested in real human beings. Just fetuses. Ideological "caring."
We see your priorities, and your hypocrisy, and your lack of empathy, and the ideological identity that takes the place of a developed conscience. Thank you for playing.
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Of course it doesn't make it right.
Christianity is ALWAYS wrong, even when practice md by people who are pro-choice.
This one is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rticipant-records-say/?utm_term=.bcbc1915f897
Which I already posted back here:
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I find it totally ironic that someone who worships a god that supposedly aborted everyone in the world except one small family has a problem with abortions.
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The entire point of the OP was to abuse the sad case of this poor girl to pick a fight over the issue of "victim blaming" by cherry picking an actual instance of it and implying that anyone who has ever questioned any accusation of victim blaming must also be talking about this case in particular. It is the OP and other posts supporting it that are heartless depraved acts trying abuse the rape of a child as an emotional weapon to score ideological points on a topic where you aren't capable of a rational argument.
I did read your whole vacuous post which said nothing other than equate anyone who questioned the OP's deliberate effort to make the issue entirely about "victim blaming" with being morally complicit in the rape of a child. Your backpeddling cannot cover up that up, and you just doubled down on that.
There is no intended "topic" to the OP other than to bring up victim blaming. Nothing in the OP even discusses the case. Every word in it is about picking a fight over the issue of victim blaming. That is why you told the OP to what a good job they did, because you applaud its efforts to equate anyone who ever has questioned accusations of victim blaming with being a child rapist. What else are you applauding it for? You needed to be told that their are child rapists out there? You wanted to start an argument with all the people who constantly say that it is perfectly okay to rape 4 year olds? No, because no one here has ever denied the reality of child rape nor defended an instance such as this, and the man admitted to having sex with the child, so there is nothing to discuss about this case in particular. The OP has no possible purpose in a political forum other than to present the case as though it is equivalent to other current disagreements on the board about "victim blaming".
It would be great if you guys could start out with these valiant and noble thoughts, instead of after jumping in to protect a child rapist from being misunderstood. The things some of you can say with a straight face when confronted with this level of depravity is baffling.
Every word in the OP is about a child rape case where the rapist said she wanted it. Yes, there was that extra layer of specific evil in this particular story, and yes, that was his comment that she wanted him to rape her. For some reason, though, some people wanted to change that to how awful it is use the phrase "victim blaming" and ignore all else all because Underseer made fun of right wing authoritarian followers and men's rights buttercups.
Every word in the OP is about a child rape case where the rapist said she wanted it. Yes, there was that extra layer of specific evil in this particular story, and yes, that was his comment that she wanted him to rape her. For some reason, though, some people wanted to change that to how awful it is use the phrase "victim blaming" and ignore all else all because Underseer made fun of right wing authoritarian followers and men's rights buttercups.
Ok, that Washington Post article makes it much clearer what's going on.
He's not offering it as a defense, it's what he told the treatment center. In other words, she went along with what daddy wanted, didn't offer resistance.
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Did you read the Washington Post article? Because it's not victim blaming!
Yes, Loren, it most certainly is. Do you even understand what victim-blaming is?
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I don't think it's more than tangentially connected, just like half of Derec's posting, it's just an opportunity to bring up a cherished horse (Hobby or Trojan) into the conversation and blame the liberals.
I understand what it is and he's not blaming her.
You're mixing up an excuse with a description of the situation to a therapist.
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That's a really weak argument. Their god killed "evil" people and they believe only their god has the right to judge people in the first place. Regardless, plenty of fertilized eggs get flushed out the system anyway. So the idea life begins at conception seems quite silly from a religious POV. What is it, 7 or 10 days the limit for twins to split, as well?
Regardless /derail.