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State school systems select and reject textbooks all the time. So why should Florida not be able to do so?

And woke politics is completely out of place in math education - or any other really, but especially math. The goal of the public education system is not to indoctrinate students into certain political positions.
 
Trausti said:
I dunno. Wokeness destroys everything it touches.

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So screw the Greeks and geometry, Arabs/Persians and algebra and zero, fucking Europeans and Calculus. Math is 105% American!
 
TomC said:
Trausti said:
Politesse said:
Because god forbid we teach mathematics as a topic with contextually meaningful applications...
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Can there be at least one subject that you ideologies leave alone?
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More to the point,
If adding "contextually meaningful" anything interferes with learning basics like math, it's wrong to do so.
Tom
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Why would it? Even if this were being taught in a math classroom rather than social studies, it could only make the topic more relevant.

I see no evidence that the rote memorization method is producing math geniuses.
 
TomC said:
Toni said:
Trausti said:
Politesse said:
Because god forbid we teach mathematics as a topic with contextually meaningful applications...
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Can there be at least one subject that you ideologies leave alone?
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Are you made to feel insecure by the fact that lesson plans written by teachers in K-12 schools in Seattle Washington might include the information that people aside from white men developed and used mathematics, in fact, long before white men did?
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That's history, not math.
Definitely out of place in a math class.
Tom
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No it isn't. There is, in my opinion, a lot of value to be gained by learning some of the history of mathematics in math class. Based on my teaching experience, the students often seem to get a lot out of it too.
 
nytimes.com/2022/04/18/us/florida-math-textbooks-critical-race-theory.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DJDm8SiPkORIaE_F3MaaMmYtIv33GHSc9dOrgoR-c3xfVeI01mQg3tuJKPldEZIygys5P1Xn8z29iFe4

I'm not an educator, but it seems to me that children benefit when their social and emotional needs are included in the learning material, regardless of the subject matter. This short article, which any of you can read if you want, agrees with that position. I would think that experienced educators know a lot more about how to teach children compared to the rest of us. Florida won't even say why they have objected to so many of these books. For fuck's sake, didn't you all have word problems when you learned math in elementary school. I sure did and I'm older than most of you. Based on the examples in the quote, I can't see why it's wrong to give children examples that support helping others. Apparently, research supports the benefit of including social and emotional learning. It has nothing to do with "wokeness". Even back in the 50s and 60s, children were taught to be good citizens. That's all this is really about. It's not about CRT, or any of the false claims that some on the far right claim.

Florida has rejected 42 of 132 math textbooks proposed for use in public school classrooms because they “incorporate prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies” including social-emotional learning and critical race theory, according to the state’s Department of Education.
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A review of sample content from one publisher whose elementary school textbooks appear to have been rejected, Big Ideas Learning, showed lessons intended to build self-awareness, self-management, responsible decision-making and social awareness and relationship skills.

That framework of five skills is a popular one in schools across the country, and was developed by CASEL, an education nonprofit.

In one text, cartoon animals help build one another’s confidence in order to cross a wobbly bridge. In another, a cartoon dog movie star says she feels lonely, and other animals offer to befriend her.

CASEL defended the idea of including social and emotional concepts in math lessons. “Research confirms that social and emotional learning bolsters academic achievement because it helps students focus on learning and engage more deeply with content,” the company said in a statement. “If our nation prioritizes the academic growth of young people, we must also prioritize their social-emotional learning.”
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The weird Seattle thing is about math curriculum. not social studies.
The Seattle school district is planning to infuse all K-12 math classes with ethnic-studies questions that encourage students to explore how math has been “appropriated” by Western culture and used in systems of power and oppression, a controversial move that puts the district at the forefront of a movement to “rehumanize” math.

The district’s proposed framework [image linked upthread] outlines strands of discussion that teachers should incorporate into their classes. One leads students into exploring math’s roots “in the ancient histories of people and empires of color.” Another asks how math and science have been used to oppress and marginalize people of color, and who holds power in a math classroom.

Another theme focuses on resistance and liberation, encouraging students to recognize the mathematical practices and contributions of their own communities, and looking at how math has been used to free people from oppression.
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It does seem very silly. But in this report we see
Tracy Castro-Gill, the SPS ethnic-studies program manager, added that these themes are rooted in research that suggests there are immense academic and social benefits to learning ethnic studies.

A 2016 Stanford University report looked at ethnic-studies classes in San Francisco high schools and found that attendance increased by 21% and GPA increased by 1.4 grade points. There were significant effects on GPA specific to math and science, the study said, and boys and Hispanic students improved the most.

“When students can see themselves in curriculum and see diversity in curriculum, they respond better,” Au said. “And, it can help white students understand themselves better. Structural racism in the country has mistaught white people about themselves — that they don’t have culture, that they don’t have roots.”
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(For some reason, the link to the 2016 Stanford University report was lost during the copy-paste.)

So I'm going to position myself firmly in the Undecided camp.
 
Yup, it's European culture showing its ugly face again. It's the ole don't do what we've been doing all along hilltop shout shuffle. How's about yall don't stop with rejecting anything for ethnic groups being injected into the math curriculum but also reject anything for every group. I don't give a fuck how many tomatoes ETHAN has after throwing several at EMILY. Their names aren't required to solve math problems.
 
Gospel said:
I don't give a fuck how many tomatoes ETHAN has after throwing several at EMILY.
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Fortunately there are some of us who don't subscribe to the callous indifference you show toward poor Emily!
The only way to retain our humanity is to ban math altogether, and let the tomato wars continue apace!
 
Does anyone remember this thread?

Look at the document--any use of these terms or concepts is considered critical race theory. So, Social Emotional Learning, CRITICAL RACE THEORY! Restorative Justice? Critical Race Theory! Most math textbooks probably have the word "intersection." CRITICAL RACE THEORY!

Critical Race Theory (CRT)
Action Civics
Social Emotional Learning (SEL)
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI)
Culturally responsive teaching
Abolitionist teaching
Anti-racism
Anti-bias training
Anti-blackness
Anti-meritocracy
Obtuse meritocracy
Centering or de-centering
Collective guilt
Colorism
Conscious and unconscious bias
Critical ethnic studies
Critical pedagogy
Critical self-awareness
Critical self-reflection
Cultural appropriation/misappropriation
Cultural awareness
Cultural competence
Cultural proficiency
Cultural relevance
Cultural responsiveness
Culturally responsive practices
De-centering whiteness
Deconstruct knowledges
Diversity focused
Diversity training
Dominant discourses
Educational justice
Equitable
Equity
Examine “systems"
Free radical therapy
Free radical self/collective care
Hegemony
Identity deconstruction
Implicit/Explicit bias
Inclusivity education
Institutional bias
Institutional oppression
Internalized racial superiority
Internalized racism
Internalized white supremacy
Interrupting racism
Intersection
Intersectionality
Intersectional identities
Intersectional studies
Land acknowledgment
Marginalized identities
Marginalized/Minoritized/Under-represented communities
Microaggressions
Multiculturalism
Neo-segregation
Normativity
Oppressor vs. oppressed
Patriarchy
Protect vulnerable identities
Race essentialism
Racial healing
Racialized identity
Racial justice
Racial prejudice
Racial sensitivity training
Racial supremacy
Reflective exercises
Representation and inclusion
Restorative justice
Restorative practices
Social justice
Spirit murdering
Structural bias
Structural inequity
Structural racism
Systemic bias
Systemic oppression
Systemic racism
Systems of power and oppression
Unconscious bias
White fragility
White privilege
White social capital
White supremacy
Whiteness
Woke
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Gospel said:
Yup, it's European culture showing its ugly face again. It's the ole don't do what we've been doing all along hilltop shout shuffle. How's about yall don't stop with rejecting anything for ethnic groups being injected into the math curriculum but also reject anything for every group. I don't give a fuck how many tomatoes ETHAN has after throwing several at EMILY. Their names aren't required to solve math problems.
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Won't somebody, anybody think of the poor tomatoes? Its speciesism that is what it is.
 
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Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Does anyone remember this thread?

Look at the document--any use of these terms or concepts is considered critical race theory. So, Social Emotional Learning, CRITICAL RACE THEORY! Restorative Justice? Critical Race Theory! Most math textbooks probably have the word "intersection." CRITICAL RACE THEORY!

Critical Race Theory (CRT)
Action Civics
Social Emotional Learning (SEL)
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI)
Culturally responsive teaching
Abolitionist teaching
Anti-racism
Anti-bias training
Anti-blackness
Anti-meritocracy
Obtuse meritocracy
Centering or de-centering
Collective guilt
Colorism
Conscious and unconscious bias
Critical ethnic studies
Critical pedagogy
Critical self-awareness
Critical self-reflection
Cultural appropriation/misappropriation
Cultural awareness
Cultural competence
Cultural proficiency
Cultural relevance
Cultural responsiveness
Culturally responsive practices
De-centering whiteness
Deconstruct knowledges
Diversity focused
Diversity training
Dominant discourses
Educational justice
Equitable
Equity
Examine “systems"
Free radical therapy
Free radical self/collective care
Hegemony
Identity deconstruction
Implicit/Explicit bias
Inclusivity education
Institutional bias
Institutional oppression
Internalized racial superiority
Internalized racism
Internalized white supremacy
Interrupting racism
Intersection
Intersectionality
Intersectional identities
Intersectional studies
Land acknowledgment
Marginalized identities
Marginalized/Minoritized/Under-represented communities
Microaggressions
Multiculturalism
Neo-segregation
Normativity
Oppressor vs. oppressed
Patriarchy
Protect vulnerable identities
Race essentialism
Racial healing
Racialized identity
Racial justice
Racial prejudice
Racial sensitivity training
Racial supremacy
Reflective exercises
Representation and inclusion
Restorative justice
Restorative practices
Social justice
Spirit murdering
Structural bias
Structural inequity
Structural racism
Systemic bias
Systemic oppression
Systemic racism
Systems of power and oppression
Unconscious bias
White fragility
White privilege
White social capital
White supremacy
Whiteness
Woke
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If basic arithmetic is being taught I find it hard to imagine how that would perpetuate things such as Systemic racism, Oppressor vs. oppressed, Colourism et al.
 
Tigers! said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Does anyone remember this thread?

Look at the document--any use of these terms or concepts is considered critical race theory. So, Social Emotional Learning, CRITICAL RACE THEORY! Restorative Justice? Critical Race Theory! Most math textbooks probably have the word "intersection." CRITICAL RACE THEORY!

Critical Race Theory (CRT)
Action Civics
Social Emotional Learning (SEL)
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI)
Culturally responsive teaching
Abolitionist teaching
Anti-racism
Anti-bias training
Anti-blackness
Anti-meritocracy
Obtuse meritocracy
Centering or de-centering
Collective guilt
Colorism
Conscious and unconscious bias
Critical ethnic studies
Critical pedagogy
Critical self-awareness
Critical self-reflection
Cultural appropriation/misappropriation
Cultural awareness
Cultural competence
Cultural proficiency
Cultural relevance
Cultural responsiveness
Culturally responsive practices
De-centering whiteness
Deconstruct knowledges
Diversity focused
Diversity training
Dominant discourses
Educational justice
Equitable
Equity
Examine “systems"
Free radical therapy
Free radical self/collective care
Hegemony
Identity deconstruction
Implicit/Explicit bias
Inclusivity education
Institutional bias
Institutional oppression
Internalized racial superiority
Internalized racism
Internalized white supremacy
Interrupting racism
Intersection
Intersectionality
Intersectional identities
Intersectional studies
Land acknowledgment
Marginalized identities
Marginalized/Minoritized/Under-represented communities
Microaggressions
Multiculturalism
Neo-segregation
Normativity
Oppressor vs. oppressed
Patriarchy
Protect vulnerable identities
Race essentialism
Racial healing
Racialized identity
Racial justice
Racial prejudice
Racial sensitivity training
Racial supremacy
Reflective exercises
Representation and inclusion
Restorative justice
Restorative practices
Social justice
Spirit murdering
Structural bias
Structural inequity
Structural racism
Systemic bias
Systemic oppression
Systemic racism
Systems of power and oppression
Unconscious bias
White fragility
White privilege
White social capital
White supremacy
Whiteness
Woke
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If basic arithmetic is being taught I find it hard to imagine how that would perpetuate things such as Systemic racism, Oppressor vs. oppressed, Colourism et al.
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One article I read said that social, emotional, learning (SEL) is being targeted by this move in Florida. My additional take is that since they label SEL as CRT (which it isn't), they are making a leap. They shouldn't even be against SEL either, but these are crazy people.
 
Tigers! said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Does anyone remember this thread?

Look at the document--any use of these terms or concepts is considered critical race theory. So, Social Emotional Learning, CRITICAL RACE THEORY! Restorative Justice? Critical Race Theory! Most math textbooks probably have the word "intersection." CRITICAL RACE THEORY!

Critical Race Theory (CRT)
Action Civics
Social Emotional Learning (SEL)
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI)
Culturally responsive teaching
Abolitionist teaching
Anti-racism
Anti-bias training
Anti-blackness
Anti-meritocracy
Obtuse meritocracy
Centering or de-centering
Collective guilt
Colorism
Conscious and unconscious bias
Critical ethnic studies
Critical pedagogy
Critical self-awareness
Critical self-reflection
Cultural appropriation/misappropriation
Cultural awareness
Cultural competence
Cultural proficiency
Cultural relevance
Cultural responsiveness
Culturally responsive practices
De-centering whiteness
Deconstruct knowledges
Diversity focused
Diversity training
Dominant discourses
Educational justice
Equitable
Equity
Examine “systems"
Free radical therapy
Free radical self/collective care
Hegemony
Identity deconstruction
Implicit/Explicit bias
Inclusivity education
Institutional bias
Institutional oppression
Internalized racial superiority
Internalized racism
Internalized white supremacy
Interrupting racism
Intersection
Intersectionality
Intersectional identities
Intersectional studies
Land acknowledgment
Marginalized identities
Marginalized/Minoritized/Under-represented communities
Microaggressions
Multiculturalism
Neo-segregation
Normativity
Oppressor vs. oppressed
Patriarchy
Protect vulnerable identities
Race essentialism
Racial healing
Racialized identity
Racial justice
Racial prejudice
Racial sensitivity training
Racial supremacy
Reflective exercises
Representation and inclusion
Restorative justice
Restorative practices
Social justice
Spirit murdering
Structural bias
Structural inequity
Structural racism
Systemic bias
Systemic oppression
Systemic racism
Systems of power and oppression
Unconscious bias
White fragility
White privilege
White social capital
White supremacy
Whiteness
Woke
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If basic arithmetic is being taught I find it hard to imagine how that would perpetuate things such as Systemic racism, Oppressor vs. oppressed, Colourism et al.
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Same reason some black kid being added to Peanuts made a difference to children in America.

Important math has words and pictures. That is when children need to figure out how to solve a problem by interpreting what has been informed to them. Critical thinking is crucial.
 
Swammerdami said:
Playball40 said:
www.mcsweeneys.net

Math Concepts the State of Florida Finds Objectionable

“The Florida Department of Education announced Friday that the state has rejected more than 50 math textbooks from next school year’s curriculum, c...
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Hilarious, and definitely worth a click!

But I admit to wanting to see actual examples of the math textbooks Florida is banning.
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Yeah, can't do that. Would require back up or looking foolish. There is one primary textbook for math, and I ponder about campaign donations from said company.
 
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