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Mueller investigation

Trausti said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Except in this case there's tons of misdeeds. The hard part is getting people to talk to nail the ones on top.
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What is it you anticipate will be found? What does "collusion" actually mean? I keep reading the hysterics that the Trump Campaign surely colluded with Putin and the Russians so just wait and see. Despite all the earlier pronouncements that the end of drumpf is nigh, this time Donnie Boy is going down.

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But colluded on what and for what purpose? I think Ford's take is right, that nothing will be found on "collusion." Yet, unlike Bubba, it will be everyone else who gets charged for other dirt (including Tony Podesta) and not Trump.
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Dude, lighten up and have some fun. This is gonna be as good as "I did not have sex with that woman."

I mean Trump's attorney just warned Mueller to not get into Trump's real estate deals. Maybe he's baiting but who knows?
 
joedad said:
Trausti said:
What is it you anticipate will be found? What does "collusion" actually mean? I keep reading the hysterics that the Trump Campaign surely colluded with Putin and the Russians so just wait and see. Despite all the earlier pronouncements that the end of drumpf is nigh, this time Donnie Boy is going down.

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But colluded on what and for what purpose? I think Ford's take is right, that nothing will be found on "collusion." Yet, unlike Bubba, it will be everyone else who gets charged for other dirt (including Tony Podesta) and not Trump.
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Dude, lighten up and have some fun. This is gonna be as good as "I did not have sex with that woman."

I mean Trump's attorney just warned Mueller to not get into Trump's real estate deals. Maybe he's baiting but who knows?
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Trump isn't smart enough to bait a literal fishhook, never mind a figurative one.
 
Keith&Co. said:
Will Wiley said:
No one has been convicted. Though the charge is so broad it might depend on who is adjudicating
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Um, Papadopoulos has been convicted.

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Will Wiley said:
The whole circus is an embarrassment to the Untied States. Muller now is under pressure to find something....anything. He has to look like he is doing his job. He must make it look like the enormous sums of money being spent are worthwhile.
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Actually, Mueller is under pressure to stop looking for something, ANYTHING, and go away. Please try to keep up.
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The idea that Mueller is struggling simply isn't supported by the facts or the speed with which the first charges were brought. In fact, Mueller is actually in quite the interesting position. The dominant party which holds ALL the levers of power has a vested interest in him NOT finding anything, and actively oppose him doing so. The Democrats are on quite the weak side here, and have no oomph to really push Mueller in any particular direction. The speed with which these charges were brought, and guilty convictions already secured, lend much more to the idea that Trump and his team aren't just horribly incompetent politicians with no real moral center, but incompetent criminals as well. These are not criminal geniuses here, and so they have not covered their tracks well. To compound the problem, the President himself has very poor counsel representing his interests, and I think it is they that will find themselves the scapegoats of this entire administration as more and more is found, and more charges brought, and more people squeezed and/or convicted. Just like the dear Attorney General, who is up to his own neck in this mess. The administration's only saving grace so far with regards to their own campaign director is that the charges brought (so far) are pre-Trump. The problem is, the nature and breadth of these charges are very telling. They paint a picture of a greedy man, working to and perhaps beholden to Russian interests, who is willing to overlook the problems the nature of his employment creates for his own nation, as well as democracy in general. This is all documented already. Are we to believe that when he took the job with Trump's party that all this ceased? He became a forthright and straight as an arrow citizen suddenly? All evidence thus far points to no, and if you think otherwise, then I have a great deal for you on some real estate you may be interested in.

What we have are some greedy ass criminals that aren't all that bright that were using the election to line their pockets, then the worst thing possible happened. They actually won the election. Drain the swamp indeed.
 
Trausti said:
But colluded on what and for what purpose? I think Ford's take is right, that nothing will be found on "collusion."
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That's not what I was saying at all.

I was saying that this investigation is like the flip side of what we saw in the 1990s. The Republicans/Ken Starr basically decided on Clinton's guilt, and then investigated until they found something he was actually guilty of.

The Mueller investigation is about Russian influence in the election. The indictments/Perpadopolis' plea deal are a result of the broad nature of his mandate, but the investigation is still about Russia. And it is still underway.
 
Ford said:
Trausti said:
But colluded on what and for what purpose? I think Ford's take is right, that nothing will be found on "collusion."
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That's not what I was saying at all.

I was saying that this investigation is like the flip side of what we saw in the 1990s. The Republicans/Ken Starr basically decided on Clinton's guilt, and then investigated until they found something he was actually guilty of.

The Mueller investigation is about Russian influence in the election. The indictments/Perpadopolis' plea deal are a result of the broad nature of his mandate, but the investigation is still about Russia. And it is still underway.
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This is correct; in fact standard investigation procedures as mentioned in your last 2 sentences.
 
whichphilosophy said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Who is going to be named on Monday? More details please...
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I have no idea and can only speculate like everyone else seems to be doing; namely Papadopoulos as one.
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Did you just get back from a week-long vacation in Russia? Or maybe you've been watching Fox News & Pravda Friends who have barely covered this issue?

Papadopoulos was already convicted. Manafort and Gates have been indicted.
 
Artemus said:
CNN is saying that charges have been filed by Mueller and arrests are expected as early as Monday.
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Whichphilosophy, this thread was started 10/27. The Monday being referred to was 10/30. It already happened. That Monday we found out that Papadopolous was convicted and that Manafort and Gates were indicted.

You're either talking about the wrong Monday because you were on vacation in Russia or you have new information nobody else does about what's going to happen tomorrow.
 
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Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Artemus said:
CNN is saying that charges have been filed by Mueller and arrests are expected as early as Monday.
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Whichphilosophy, this thread was started 10/27. The Monday being referred to was 10/29. It already happened. That Monday we found out that Papadopolous was convicted and that Manafort and Gates were indicted.

You're either talking about the wrong Monday because you were on vacation in Russia or you have new information nobody else does about what's going to happen tomorrow.
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Hey, don't confuse him with facts. Alternative facts only. He's very delicate.
 
Trausti said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Except in this case there's tons of misdeeds. The hard part is getting people to talk to nail the ones on top.
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What is it you anticipate will be found? What does "collusion" actually mean? I keep reading the hysterics that the Trump Campaign surely colluded with Putin and the Russians so just wait and see. Despite all the earlier pronouncements that the end of drumpf is nigh, this time Donnie Boy is going down.

DNv2eHaWsAABHCO.jpg


But colluded on what and for what purpose? I think Ford's take is right, that nothing will be found on "collusion." Yet, unlike Bubba, it will be everyone else who gets charged for other dirt (including Tony Podesta) and not Trump.
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The collusion would be that the Russians offered the use of their hacked goods or otherwise help the Trump campaign win the election for something in return, like easing sanctions. There is publicly available direct evidence that offers were made, but not yet whether anything was agreed. Trump does act like he made such a deal.

At minimum, Trump should get charged or impeached for obstruction. If he gets away with it, it's only because of Repub corruption, not because he didn't do it.
 
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