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Mueller investigation

Will Wiley said:
Underseer said:
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I mean sure, the former campaign manager was indicted for "conspiracy against the United States," but that doesn't mean there's any connection to the campaign!
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What is the connection to the campaign?
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Hmmm, what connection does a campaign manager have to the campaign they are managing? I have to admit, I am mystified!
 
Artemus said:
Malintent said:
Just an observation... RavenSky wins the thread for being first to pick Manafort as the first to fall.
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Well, technically it was Papadopoulos since he pleaded guilty a month or so ago. I don't think that anyone, here or elsewhere, predicted that.

For grins I googled "nothing-burger" today to see if the any of the right-wing sites were still using it. You can always count on Breitbart to provide some entertainment. Sure, one senior campaign official indicted and another having pleaded guilty is not damaging in the least.:rolleyes:

ETA: And Fox News's main headlines are what Trump tweeted this morning. Really.
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I guess you are technically right... but I think most would agree that the spirit of this was who is first to fall publically...Quite the tricky twist that George was turned into an "active cooperator" for the FBI 3 months ago after being secretly arrested (and apparently, turned). He didn't "fall" so much as "turn".. and he got the benefit of being able to accept a lesser charge than otherwise.
 
Malintent said:
Artemus said:
Well, technically it was Papadopoulos since he pleaded guilty a month or so ago. I don't think that anyone, here or elsewhere, predicted that.

For grins I googled "nothing-burger" today to see if the any of the right-wing sites were still using it. You can always count on Breitbart to provide some entertainment. Sure, one senior campaign official indicted and another having pleaded guilty is not damaging in the least.:rolleyes:

ETA: And Fox News's main headlines are what Trump tweeted this morning. Really.
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I guess you are technically right... but I think most would agree that the spirit of this was who is first to fall publically...Quite the tricky twist that George was turned into an "active cooperator" for the FBI 3 months ago after being secretly arrested (and apparently, turned). He didn't "fall" so much as "turn".. and he got the benefit of being able to accept a lesser charge than otherwise.
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There are two things, one, George lied to the FBI and was arrested. This would remind people that they need to be honest or fear going to jail just for lying to the FBI.

It could also put a fire under others in the campaign based on who Alexi Karras... I mean George Papadopoulus has spoken to recently. A name here, a contact there. The Russians love 'useful idiots'... well the US does too.
 
repoman said:
Trump can only pardon for Federal crimes, right?

So this federal investigation could get information about about a key individual released that could be used by a state prosecutor?

If for example there was state income tax dodged by federal money laundering wouldn't that be a solid charge that a Trump pardon wouldn't prevent?
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Yes.. There are NY State teams of lawyers collecting data on Trump's illegal business dealing in NYC, and there is the possibility of state-level charges arising.

It should be very telling that only 9% of this president's home state voted for him. It's because we already know what he is about.
I grew up in the same neighborhood as he did, and went to the same grade school.. (the one he was pulled out of for bullying).. he was sent by his racist father to a military school after that).

My parents still live in the house I grew up in and I pass the old Trump house every now and then when I visit... and piss in their yard on the way home. I doubt any Trump still lives there.. It's just symbolic.
 
Will Wiley said:
Underseer said:
[video=youtube;LCaNoThm9Lc]

I mean sure, the former campaign manager was indicted for "conspiracy against the United States," but that doesn't mean there's any connection to the campaign!
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What is the connection to the campaign?
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"A professor with close ties to the Russian government told an adviser to Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign in April 2016 that Moscow had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails,” according to court documents unsealed Monday."

Nope - big nothing-burger. Never heard of George - he's fake news. A liar too - he was busted for lying.
Court documents? Anyone can make those up!

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KeepTalking said:
Will Wiley said:
What is the connection to the campaign?
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Hmmm, what connection does a campaign manager have to the campaign they are managing? I have to admit, I am mystified!
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Liberals claim that the campaign manager has a connection to the campaign because of a conspiracy by George Soros! It's the only possible explanation!
 
Underseer said:
KeepTalking said:
Hmmm, what connection does a campaign manager have to the campaign they are managing? I have to admit, I am mystified!
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Liberals claim that the campaign manager has a connection to the campaign because of a conspiracy by George Soros! It's the only possible explanation!
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Shhh.... Don't give Fox-Pravda News any ideas.
 
Former FBI assistant director being interviewed now on MSNBC says he is almost sure Papa was wearing a wire.
 
Malintent said:
repoman said:
Trump can only pardon for Federal crimes, right?

So this federal investigation could get information about about a key individual released that could be used by a state prosecutor?

If for example there was state income tax dodged by federal money laundering wouldn't that be a solid charge that a Trump pardon wouldn't prevent?
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Yes.. There are NY State teams of lawyers collecting data on Trump's illegal business dealing in NYC, and there is the possibility of state-level charges arising.

It should be very telling that only 9% of this president's home state voted for him. It's because we already know what he is about.
I grew up in the same neighborhood as he did, and went to the same grade school.. (the one he was pulled out of for bullying).. he was sent by his racist father to a military school after that).

My parents still live in the house I grew up in and I pass the old Trump house every now and then when I visit... and piss in their yard on the way home. I doubt any Trump still lives there.. It's just symbolic.
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Let's hope the Dems keep the governorship and state Attorney general in NY. Otherwise I see the investigation there ending real quick after innaguration.

Later,
ElectEngr
 
Will Wiley said:
Will Wiley said:
What is the connection to the campaign?
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I get the feeling you guys continue to underestimate Trump. Ever since he was elected he has been underestimated. The Republicans did it. the Democrats did it, and I think people continue to do it.

Sure..the guy is a total knob, but even total knobs can be cunning and formidable and hard to beat
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I agree the guy is damn clever - like Nixon.
 
ElectEngr said:
Malintent said:
Yes.. There are NY State teams of lawyers collecting data on Trump's illegal business dealing in NYC, and there is the possibility of state-level charges arising.

It should be very telling that only 9% of this president's home state voted for him. It's because we already know what he is about.
I grew up in the same neighborhood as he did, and went to the same grade school.. (the one he was pulled out of for bullying).. he was sent by his racist father to a military school after that).

My parents still live in the house I grew up in and I pass the old Trump house every now and then when I visit... and piss in their yard on the way home. I doubt any Trump still lives there.. It's just symbolic.
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Let's hope the Dems keep the governorship and state Attorney general in NY. Otherwise I see the investigation there ending real quick after innaguration.

Later,
ElectEngr
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I've read Virginia is also a big player with the upcoming election because of the tax fraud by Manafort.

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joedad said:
Will Wiley said:
I get the feeling you guys continue to underestimate Trump. Ever since he was elected he has been underestimated. The Republicans did it. the Democrats did it, and I think people continue to do it.

Sure..the guy is a total knob, but even total knobs can be cunning and formidable and hard to beat
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I agree the guy is damn clever - like Nixon.
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No, not clever. He admitted to obstructing justice on camera to a foreign nation. He leaked uber secret Israeli intel to the Russians. Most of his accomplishments are those of his accountants and lawyers. That he hasn't resigned in less than 12 months is a sign of being "damn clever". Now Steve Bannon on the other hand, he makes me nervous.
 
Meanwhile Sen. Burr is hazy on history.

CNN said:
Sen. Richard Burr: Listen the special counsel is hired by the deputy attorney general. The deputy attorney general is the only one that can fire him. So the efforts that are out there are to circumvent the President firing the special counsel — he can't do that.

CNN: It would protect against the attorney general for firing him — would you support?


Burr: I'm not going to deal with hypotheticals. [Deputy Attorney General] Rod Rosenstein is the only person that can fire Bob Mueller.
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Sen. Burr doesn't seem to remember that Trump can fire the Deputy Attorney General. A similar like move occurred in the 70s. Led to some sort of resignation.
 
KeepTalking said:
ZiprHead said:
According to this, there are more indictments in the pipe waiting for the trigger to be pulled.

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Your link lead me to the following link:
There’s a sealed “Indictment (A)” and it looks like it’s against Donald Trump

Very interesting.
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I think it will be Sessions. In GP's indictment, it says something to the effect that the campaign supervisor responded to GP's news of establishing relationships with Russians saying "That's good". The campaign supervisor was Sessions.

ETA: Can a sitting president be indicted?
 
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