It is newsworthy because the investigation allegedly determined that no US citizen colluded with Russia in doing that which was determined to have been done 2 years ago.
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It is newsworthy because the investigation allegedly determined that no US citizen colluded with Russia in doing that which was determined to have been done 2 years ago.
Jason Harvestdancer
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Ah. I see the vote for Brexit and the vote for Trump having some (but not too many) similarities. They were both the people saying "No!" to the elites who "know what is best for them." Hillary was clearly in alighnment with these elites, and Trump clearly isn't what they wanted. Brexit is also not what they wanted.
Now given that Hillary failed them, someone is going to have to pay the price. She used all her ties to try to take down Trump. According to common usage, greed is "I want more", jealousy is "I want what you have", and envy is "if I can't have it then I'll destroy it." Hillary is the epitome of envy. She envies what Trump has, the Presidency. And she was willing to tear it down to keep him from having it no matter how much damage it would do. Hillary hates us for who we are and what we won’t give her. And that animus drove her to blackmail the world while putting on the face of its savior. Mueller thought all he had to do was lean on corrupt people and threaten them with everything. They would turn on Trump. He would resign in disgrace from the public outcry. It didn’t work. In the end Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen and Roger Stone all held their ground or perjured themselves into the whole thing falling apart. Andrew Weissman’s resignation last month was your tell there was nothing. Mueller would pursue this to the limit of his personal reputation and no further.
Always bet on the fecklessness of politicians. They will always act selfishly when put to the test. While leading RussiaGate, Mueller was always headed here if he couldn’t get someone to betray Trump. And now his report is in. There are no new indictments. And by doing so he is saving his reputation for the future. And that is your biggest tell that Hillary’s blackmail is now worthless. They don’t fear her anymore because RussiaGate outed her as the architect. Anything else she has is irrelevant in the face of trying to oust a sitting president from power. Everyone else who was blackmailed into going along with this lunacy will begin cutting deals to save their skins. The outrage over this will not end. Trump will still be President when he stands for re-election in 2020.
southernhybrid
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Considering that Russia deliberately interfered in the presidential election, one can hardly make the claim that the investigation was a waste of time and resources. There just want' enough evidence to prove that Trump and his minions knowingly contributed to this. However Trump is still being investigated for quite a few other things, which may take years to finish. It's ironic that the Republicans are complaining about this after they did so many investigations on Clinton which never turned up any evidence to prosecute her.
http://time.com/5557644/donald-trump-other-investigations-mueller/
Anyone who is interested can read the entire list in the linked article. I'm not hopeful that we will be rid of Trump after his first term because I don't see any Democratic candidates that can excite enough people to vote. And, if the candidates keep promising free stuff without giving a realistic way of paying for the free stuff, Trump will probably win a second term. There are too many people that don't want to know the truth about him, or don't care what he's done as long as they get to keep their tax break and their conservative judges. I've actually heard people say they know he's corrupt and they don't like him, but they are happy with what he's doing. No, that doesn't make sense, but I will give it to Trump for his ability to manipulate evangelicals and "the poorly educated" by concentrating on social issues and appealing to white nationalists. Our country may well be seriously fucked.
The other thing is that we've only been given a four page summary of the Mueller report written by a man who has criticized the investigation and has made it clear that he feels presidents have almost unlimited power. It's doubtful that we will ever see most of the report. Congress remains optimistic that they will see it, but I'm not as optimistic.
http://time.com/5557644/donald-trump-other-investigations-mueller/
Anyone who is interested can read the entire list in the linked article. I'm not hopeful that we will be rid of Trump after his first term because I don't see any Democratic candidates that can excite enough people to vote. And, if the candidates keep promising free stuff without giving a realistic way of paying for the free stuff, Trump will probably win a second term. There are too many people that don't want to know the truth about him, or don't care what he's done as long as they get to keep their tax break and their conservative judges. I've actually heard people say they know he's corrupt and they don't like him, but they are happy with what he's doing. No, that doesn't make sense, but I will give it to Trump for his ability to manipulate evangelicals and "the poorly educated" by concentrating on social issues and appealing to white nationalists. Our country may well be seriously fucked.
The other thing is that we've only been given a four page summary of the Mueller report written by a man who has criticized the investigation and has made it clear that he feels presidents have almost unlimited power. It's doubtful that we will ever see most of the report. Congress remains optimistic that they will see it, but I'm not as optimistic.
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I’m not going to exonerate Trump until a report is made public that he should be exonerated.
So far, all there is a summary by a Trump appointee stating that he has not been exonerated. Whatever the hell that means.
So far, all there is a summary by a Trump appointee stating that he has not been exonerated. Whatever the hell that means.
THIS is a critical point.
The other critical point is that even Barr admits that Mueller did NOT exonerate Trump for obstruction of justice.
Why on earth would you not care about obstruction of justice?
Just a reminder, that's what forced Nixon's resignation... not any finding of actual criminal behavior on Nixon's part.
This has been my question, too. And why did Mueller just extend the grand jury if he thought he was done.
NOT what "the investigation" concluded... not even Barr makes that claim.
In fact, Barr was very very very very careful to specify and partially quote Mueller as saying: "[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities." bolding mine
Elixir
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It is very slightly newsworthy that Trump's hand-picked toady AG alleges that such a determination was made in a report he won't let anyone else see.
It is also not newsworthy that so many people take the word of a professional suckup blatantly trying to advance his career by saying what his boss wants him to say.
After all, people are stupid; Trump got elected.
It might be newsworthy if the the actual report is confirmed by Congress to "determine that no US citizen colluded with Russia". More likely though, it presents evidence that is either simply deemed insufficient for slam-dunk prosecution, or cannot be used to indict due to DOJ 'rules' protecting the target.
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Exactly.
I've listened to two programs today. One by a Mueller sceptic who says "What is in James Mueller's background that he would send indictments on the president of the US?"
And in-depth analysis os Barr's letter. Mueller punted and Barr used the Office Of Legal Council which holds that sitting presidents cannot be indicted to cover for Bonespurs.
Wow look at the right masturbating with glee over the fact their golden boy hired a bunch of people going to prison as campaign staff! Imagine if only the Dims supported Benjamin Ghazi in the same way as this investigation.
Probably from something passed to New York or elsewhere.
zorq
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I'm holding out for some actual evidence from the actual report, but while I'm here...
Trausti, this is a discussion board. Not a meme dumping ground. You haven't used any of your actual words in the past three (off topic) posts you have made in this thread.
You can use your big boy voice. I believe in you.
Trausti, this is a discussion board. Not a meme dumping ground. You haven't used any of your actual words in the past three (off topic) posts you have made in this thread.
You can use your big boy voice. I believe in you.
Koyaanisqatsi
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That is his big boy voice. He can only understand complexity when its dumbed down to cartoon form.
southernhybrid
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I heard this morning that Mitch, aka the Turtle who runs the Senate is already trying to keep the report secret. Gee. Why is that?
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In light of the fact that Trump has already publicly declared it a full exoneration, that will be exceedingly difficult for Murtle to argue it.
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No it won't. He'll just say some stuff and that'll be that.
There's no argument he's going to have to make about factual matters or anything else having to do with reality. He won't have to answer for what he says. He could say for example, "A fire demon swept through Barr's office and done burnt up that ra-port, but I already reddit and it said Trump wasn't guilty of anything ever."
And that will fly.