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Musk raiding personal data of fed employees?

What I think is that we will lose democracy if we do not stand up, speak out and demand that laws be followed, that the constitution be upheld. We must demand that our state and federal elected officials adhere to the US constitution. We must challenge the disinformation and realize that Trump thrives on generating outrage as a distraction from his real game which is theft. He does not give a damn about anyone other than himself. Nor does Musk.
Hi! I did not mean to abandon this discussion—real life has demanded more time/attention. But I have been gathering some ideas for action all of us can take. I’m hoping to successfully link to Dan Rather’s Substack outlining some of these:


Please let me know if you can’t read it. I’m trying to stay within board guidelines and not posting the suggestions in total.

I want to add that we also need to reach out and support and protect persons of color, immigrants ( documented or not) and other vulnerable persons, particularly low income individuals and those with disabilities or serious health conditions and to do your best to support whatever individual or organization protects our environment, our schools ( pre-K through Grad/professional school), our elections, small businesses over Walmart and Amazon, and most especially organizations that protect our voting rights.

I’m doing much of this, and have contacted legislators, expressing my outrage over Musk and his minions’ illegal access to government agencies and personal, private data.

Let me know if you can’t read the link and I’ll try to do enough in the way of snippets quoted to give you the gist.
I recently subscribed to sub stack and I read your link. I'm already doing some of those things, like donating to organizations that are trying to protect the SCS as well as the ACLU. I read a large variety of news, and although the NYT and Reuters weren't mentioned I think they are both good sources of news, along with the ones mentioned in the link. Reuters is supposed to be one of the most unbiased sources of news. I don't read it often, but I've been impressed with what I have read, at least so far.

I've found it's impossible to convince people not to watch Fox or Newmax and while I was going to write my Trump endorsed congress critter, I've been told that the Republicans aren't even bothering to read their emails or letters. My two Senators are Democrats who are trying to stop Trump. So, imo, some of the suggestions in the link didn't sound helpful.

I have lots of Black friends and a few gay friends. I have never had anyone say anything bad about gay people, not even my closest Christians friends, but I certainly would defend the LBGTQ community if the topic were to come up. On the other hand, there are some very nasty, hateful people on a local FB discussion page that say horrible things about gay and trans folks. They even said that Bishop Budde should be deported, where, to New Jersey, where she was born and raised? I doubt my posting on that ugly site would do a thing other than to make them more hateful. I've only been there a few times and I've seen how ugly they are when someone challenges them. It's a losing battle to try and reason with such haters.

I live in a Black majority city, so I have lots of Black neighbors, friends and friendly acquaintances. We discuss politics quite often. I am very concerned about our local immigrants. I asked the one non immigrant, at our favorite Mexican restaurant if his coworkers were worried and he said "NO". What can I do to protect them? My governor and mayor support what Trump is doing. He's even having immigrants with legal status deported, including those who have been waiting for asylum and keeping all of their appointments. I feel helpless. I've cried over what they are doing. I knew a couple of. undocumented immigrants a few years ago. They lived about 20 miles from me, but we lost touch. The husband was a cook in a Mexican restaurant, very sweet, kind people. What the fuck are all the Republicans who love eating in our many Mexican restaurants going to do when the immigrants are deported? Maybe when food prices skyrocket they will wake up or worse yet, when it's hard to even get enough fruit and veggies or meat, due to the severe labor shortages in the areas where immigrants are the primary or only workers.
 
Musk’s ex-staff warn federal workers of what’s ahead: Long hours, firings Details of how Musk managed staff at his various ventures reveal what may be in store for federal government workers.

Longtime Twitter employee Eric Frohnhoefer was accustomed to the Silicon Valley ethos of respectful disagreement. So when his new boss, Elon Musk, seemed to misidentify why the social media site was running slowly, Frohnhoefer took to the platform to correct the company’s CEO.

Musk’s reaction was swift and definitive. The day after their online disagreement, Frohnhoefer’s computer access was shut off and Musk informed his hundreds of millions of followers of Frohnhoefer’s fate. “He’s fired,” Musk wrote in a now-deleted tweet.

“I’d been laid off before this, but what’s different was the lack of communication and the lack of professionalism,” Frohnhoefer said in an interview with The Washington Post.

The incident illustrates Musk’s boundary-pushing leadership style that he has deployed at his companies, including Tesla, SpaceX and Twitter, now X. But now the billionaire — recast as a “special government employee” at the U.S. DOGE Service — is bringing his unorthodox methods to Washington, where they are clashing with the traditionally staid and steady federal workforce.
More in the article.

One comment: Elon believes work sets you free.
 
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Musk’s ex-staff warn federal workers of what’s ahead: Long hours, firings Details of how Musk managed staff at his various ventures reveal what may be in store for federal government workers.

Longtime Twitter employee Eric Frohnhoefer was accustomed to the Silicon Valley ethos of respectful disagreement. So when his new boss, Elon Musk, seemed to misidentify why the social media site was running slowly, Frohnhoefer took to the platform to correct the company’s CEO.

Musk’s reaction was swift and definitive. The day after their online disagreement, Frohnhoefer’s computer access was shut off and Musk informed his hundreds of millions of followers of Frohnhoefer’s fate. “He’s fired,” Musk wrote in a now-deleted tweet.

“I’d been laid off before this, but what’s different was the lack of communication and the lack of professionalism,” Frohnhoefer said in an interview with The Washington Post.

The incident illustrates Musk’s boundary-pushing leadership style that he has deployed at his companies, including Tesla, SpaceX and Twitter, now X. But now the billionaire — recast as a “special government employee” at the U.S. DOGE Service — is bringing his unorthodox methods to Washington, where they are clashing with the traditionally staid and steady federal workforce.
More in the article.

One comment: Elon believes work sets you free.
Another comment: Elon Musk has zero authority to hire or fire or set wages or work conditions for any US Givernme y employee.

Zero.
 
Another comment: Elon Musk has zero authority to hire or fire or set wages or work conditions for any US Givernme y employee.

Zero.
Why does that matter, if it causes every effect of a legal firing? Because 10 months down the road a judge might order his reinstatement? (Or not.)
 
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Musk’s ex-staff warn federal workers of what’s ahead: Long hours, firings Details of how Musk managed staff at his various ventures reveal what may be in store for federal government workers.

Longtime Twitter employee Eric Frohnhoefer was accustomed to the Silicon Valley ethos of respectful disagreement. So when his new boss, Elon Musk, seemed to misidentify why the social media site was running slowly, Frohnhoefer took to the platform to correct the company’s CEO.

Musk’s reaction was swift and definitive. The day after their online disagreement, Frohnhoefer’s computer access was shut off and Musk informed his hundreds of millions of followers of Frohnhoefer’s fate. “He’s fired,” Musk wrote in a now-deleted tweet.

“I’d been laid off before this, but what’s different was the lack of communication and the lack of professionalism,” Frohnhoefer said in an interview with The Washington Post.

The incident illustrates Musk’s boundary-pushing leadership style that he has deployed at his companies, including Tesla, SpaceX and Twitter, now X. But now the billionaire — recast as a “special government employee” at the U.S. DOGE Service — is bringing his unorthodox methods to Washington, where they are clashing with the traditionally staid and steady federal workforce.
More in the article.

One comment: Elon believes work sets you free.
Another comment: Elon Musk has zero authority to hire or fire or set wages or work conditions for any US Givernme y employee.

Zero.
Trump already said Elon won’t do anything he doesn’t approve of.
 
Musk’s ex-staff warn federal workers of what’s ahead: Long hours, firings Details of how Musk managed staff at his various ventures reveal what may be in store for federal government workers.

Longtime Twitter employee Eric Frohnhoefer was accustomed to the Silicon Valley ethos of respectful disagreement. So when his new boss, Elon Musk, seemed to misidentify why the social media site was running slowly, Frohnhoefer took to the platform to correct the company’s CEO.

Musk’s reaction was swift and definitive. The day after their online disagreement, Frohnhoefer’s computer access was shut off and Musk informed his hundreds of millions of followers of Frohnhoefer’s fate. “He’s fired,” Musk wrote in a now-deleted tweet.

“I’d been laid off before this, but what’s different was the lack of communication and the lack of professionalism,” Frohnhoefer said in an interview with The Washington Post.

The incident illustrates Musk’s boundary-pushing leadership style that he has deployed at his companies, including Tesla, SpaceX and Twitter, now X. But now the billionaire — recast as a “special government employee” at the U.S. DOGE Service — is bringing his unorthodox methods to Washington, where they are clashing with the traditionally staid and steady federal workforce.
More in the article.

One comment: Elon believes work sets you free.
Another comment: Elon Musk has zero authority to hire or fire or set wages or work conditions for any US Givernme y employee.

Zero.
Trump already said Elon won’t do anything he doesn’t approve of.

Trump is too stupid to give informed consent for anything Musk says he wants to do.
 
Musk’s ex-staff warn federal workers of what’s ahead: Long hours, firings Details of how Musk managed staff at his various ventures reveal what may be in store for federal government workers.

Longtime Twitter employee Eric Frohnhoefer was accustomed to the Silicon Valley ethos of respectful disagreement. So when his new boss, Elon Musk, seemed to misidentify why the social media site was running slowly, Frohnhoefer took to the platform to correct the company’s CEO.

Musk’s reaction was swift and definitive. The day after their online disagreement, Frohnhoefer’s computer access was shut off and Musk informed his hundreds of millions of followers of Frohnhoefer’s fate. “He’s fired,” Musk wrote in a now-deleted tweet.

“I’d been laid off before this, but what’s different was the lack of communication and the lack of professionalism,” Frohnhoefer said in an interview with The Washington Post.

The incident illustrates Musk’s boundary-pushing leadership style that he has deployed at his companies, including Tesla, SpaceX and Twitter, now X. But now the billionaire — recast as a “special government employee” at the U.S. DOGE Service — is bringing his unorthodox methods to Washington, where they are clashing with the traditionally staid and steady federal workforce.
More in the article.

One comment: Elon believes work sets you free.
Another comment: Elon Musk has zero authority to hire or fire or set wages or work conditions for any US Givernme y employee.

Zero.
Trump already said Elon won’t do anything he doesn’t approve of.

Trump is too stupid to give informed consent for anything Musk says he wants to do.
But we can still hold him as responsible.
 
Another comment: Elon Musk has zero authority to hire or fire or set wages or work conditions for any US Givernme y employee.

Zero.
Trump already said Elon won’t do anything he doesn’t approve of.
What wouldn't Trump approve of again?
 
Musk’s ex-staff warn federal workers of what’s ahead: Long hours, firings Details of how Musk managed staff at his various ventures reveal what may be in store for federal government workers.

Longtime Twitter employee Eric Frohnhoefer was accustomed to the Silicon Valley ethos of respectful disagreement. So when his new boss, Elon Musk, seemed to misidentify why the social media site was running slowly, Frohnhoefer took to the platform to correct the company’s CEO.

Musk’s reaction was swift and definitive. The day after their online disagreement, Frohnhoefer’s computer access was shut off and Musk informed his hundreds of millions of followers of Frohnhoefer’s fate. “He’s fired,” Musk wrote in a now-deleted tweet.

“I’d been laid off before this, but what’s different was the lack of communication and the lack of professionalism,” Frohnhoefer said in an interview with The Washington Post.

The incident illustrates Musk’s boundary-pushing leadership style that he has deployed at his companies, including Tesla, SpaceX and Twitter, now X. But now the billionaire — recast as a “special government employee” at the U.S. DOGE Service — is bringing his unorthodox methods to Washington, where they are clashing with the traditionally staid and steady federal workforce.
More in the article.

One comment: Elon believes work sets you free.
Another comment: Elon Musk has zero authority to hire or fire or set wages or work conditions for any US Givernme y employee.

Zero.
Trump already said Elon won’t do anything he doesn’t approve of.

Trump is too stupid to give informed consent for anything Musk says he wants to do.
But we can still hold him as responsible.

He must be.
 
Another comment: Elon Musk has zero authority to hire or fire or set wages or work conditions for any US Givernme y employee.

Zero.
Why does that matter, if it causes every effect of a legal firing? Because 10 months down the road a judge might order his reinstatement? (Or not.)
I think the law matters very much indeed. And so do ethics.
 
Another comment: Elon Musk has zero authority to hire or fire or set wages or work conditions for any US Givernme y employee.

Zero.
Trump already said Elon won’t do anything he doesn’t approve of.
What wouldn't Trump approve of again?
Anything that harms Trump personally, mostly his pocketbook.
 
Another comment: Elon Musk has zero authority to hire or fire or set wages or work conditions for any US Givernme y employee.

Zero.
Why does that matter, if it causes every effect of a legal firing? Because 10 months down the road a judge might order his reinstatement? (Or not.)
I think the law matters very much indeed. And so do ethics.
I think it used to matter somewhat. Not so much any more. The thing that "matters" in that way (consequences etc.) is less and less correlated with laws, or "the law". Now we have two sets of people - the ones laying down laws and those subject to them. Much of that "legal" body isn't even written, it's the Law of The Gangster. But it's what applies, 2025.
 
Another comment: Elon Musk has zero authority to hire or fire or set wages or work conditions for any US Givernme y employee.

Zero.
Trump already said Elon won’t do anything he doesn’t approve of.
What wouldn't Trump approve of again?
Anything that harms Trump personally, mostly his pocketbook.
Trump has shown he only thinks image matters. When it comes to actual financials, he is clueless on how things might impact him.
 
Three DOGE members raise access concerns at US Energy Department, sources say

WASHINGTON, Feb 7 (Reuters) - Members of Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency have started working at the U.S. Energy Department where officials are concerned that they could get access to personnel files and information about disbursement of federal grants, two sources said on Friday.
U.S. Energy Secretary Chris Wright, who was confirmed this week by the Senate, told CNBC on Friday that three DOGE members are at the department and "have access to look around, talk to people and give us some good feedback on how things are going."

Wright said they are "friends in Elon's broader circle."
Wright said the DOGE members do not have security clearances and are not looking at nuclear weapons secrets. The department's National Nuclear Security Administration is in charge of maintaining the U.S. nuclear weapons complex and labs.
Two sources, one career worker and a former official in contact with workers at the department, said one DOGE member has been working in the office of the chief information officer, and that all three are listed in department's email and messaging systems.
 
Another comment: Elon Musk has zero authority to hire or fire or set wages or work conditions for any US Givernme y employee.

Zero.
Why does that matter, if it causes every effect of a legal firing? Because 10 months down the road a judge might order his reinstatement? (Or not.)
Suppose I walked into my friend’s business and started telling people they were fired because my friend told me I could do what I wanted. I would still have zero authority to fire anyone, particularly if they are members of a union.


Genuinely, I do not understand why these people are given any access to anything. They have no more status than a tourist.
 
I let my print subscription to The Atlantic lapse decades ago, when I found out that the April edition still hadn't gotten to me in the jungle when the May edition was available for free on-line! Free on-line is no longer an option, but the teasers that The Atlantic e-mails me are enough grief for me! (Copy-paste from the e-mail gave me LOTS of html tags for free. I've deleted those that seemed to be most likely betraying my identity.)

Elon Musk’s unceasing attempts to access the data and information systems of the federal government range so widely, and are so unprecedented and unpredictable, that government computing experts believe the effort has spun out of control. This week, we spoke with four federal-government IT professionals—all experienced contractors and civil servants who have built, modified, or maintained the kind of technological infrastructure that Musk’s inexperienced employees at his newly created Department of Government Efficiency are attempting to access. In our conversations, each expert was unequivocal: They are terrified and struggling to articulate the scale of the crisis …

Based on what has been reported, DOGE representatives have obtained or requested access to certain systems at the U.S. Treasury, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Office of Personnel Management, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, with eyes toward others, including the Federal Aviation Administration. “This is the largest data breach and the largest IT security breach in our country’s history—at least that’s publicly known,” one contractor who has worked on classified information-security systems at numerous government agencies told us this week. “You can’t un-ring this bell.”
 
Is it just me or are the comment and social media corners of the web saturated with the same message asking 'Why are these departments afraid of being audited? What are they afraid will be found?'
 
The algorithms are definitely well programmed to support Musk here. Across multiple platforms.
 
Another comment: Elon Musk has zero authority to hire or fire or set wages or work conditions for any US Givernme y employee.

Zero.
Why does that matter, if it causes every effect of a legal firing? Because 10 months down the road a judge might order his reinstatement? (Or not.)
Suppose I walked into my friend’s business and started telling people they were fired because my friend told me I could do what I wanted. I would still have zero authority to fire anyone, particularly if they are members of a union.


Genuinely, I do not understand why these people are given any access to anything. They have no more status than a tourist.

That’s why security should have them arrested. Or shoot them in the leg. Or both.
 
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