No comments on Madison Square Garden?

[thebeave]

What was it that Obama once said? "Never underestimate the ability for Joe Biden to fuck things up"?

Biden may have handed Trump a big assist with his ‘garbage’ gaffe

CNN —
Joe Biden had largely been an afterthought one week before the election in which he’d once hoped to win a second term.

Not anymore.

The president inadvertently injected himself into the homestretch of the campaign and may have handed a big assist to his erstwhile rival, ex-President Donald Trump, who is struggling to quell a furor over his bigotry-filled rally at Madison Square Garden earlier this week.

Biden mentioned Puerto Rico, slandered as a “floating island of garbage” by a comedian at Trump’s event on Sunday night. But his clumsy defense of the self-governing American territory — and the vital swing voters in its diaspora on the US mainland — sparked a new political firestorm and distracted from Vice Kamala President Harris’ big closing argument speech against a White House backdrop on Tuesday night.

“And just the other day, a speaker at his rally called Puerto Rico ‘a floating island of garbage.’ Well, let me tell you something … I don’t know the Puerto Rican that I know… or Puerto Rico where I’m – in my home state of Delaware – they’re good, decent, honorable people,” Biden said during virtual remarks in a Voto Latino get-out-the-vote call meant to help Harris.

“The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters,” Biden said, pausing for a moment before continuing. “His, his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable and it’s un-American.”

That escalated quickly. We went from some rando comedian saying "Puerto Rico is a floating island of garbage" to the sitting President saying that half the country (Trump supporters) is garbage. Of course, its being spun differently by the White House, but it doesn't sound very persuasive. This sounds eerily similar to Hillary Clinton's ill advised "deplorables" comment in 2016.

On the bright side, at least he didn't call them Latinx.

 

[Shadowy Man]

You might also explain the difference between an internet discussion board and a major pre-election rally held by a Presidential candidate, while you’re at it, if you think it’d do any good.

A warm-up act at the rally, vs. the couch joke, which was repeated by the vice presidential candidate.

One Republican as the butt of the joke versus millions of potential voters. Who took the bigger risk? I guess we will see.

Edited to add: also, it was JD Vance himself who said we shouldn’t be offended at every little thing so I’m sure he’s ok with the couch joke. A little good-natured ribbing, or locker room talk perhaps?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You might also explain the difference between an internet discussion board and a major pre-election rally held by a Presidential candidate, while you’re at it, if you think it’d do any good.

A warm-up act at the rally,

This wasn't just a rally. It was MSG, it was a main event. He was chosen because of his act. Calling Puerto Rico an island of floating garbage is a bigoted joke. It has no other intention. Typically the point of roasting is to target an individual, not broad brush an entire region of people. Take that in line with the mongrelization of immigrants by Trump and Vance, this is what you get when people say things like this.

vs. the couch joke, which was repeated by the vice presidential candidate.

The couch thing, it was odd. It existed, it is gone. It wasn't meant to be taken literally. Trump is calling liberals the "enemy from within". I think the couch thing can be placed a bit further back in the incendiary cabinet.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This is the same guy who got sand in his arse crack over being called a couch fucker.

“Sectional Predator”, please.

I guess meanspirited jokes are only ok from the left.

"Sectional predator" isn't meanspirited. It wasn't meant to be taken as an actual claim. Calling Puerto Ricans garbage was.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Here’s the equivalent joke comparison (not the couch one):

“i hear there’s a giant garbage dump up in the mountains. I think it’s called Appalachia.”

Let me know when one of the Harris surrogates makes this joke after being vetted and approved by the Harris campaign.

I’m not against comparing the candidates but it can’t just be in kind, degree counts for most of the comparison.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Here’s the equivalent joke comparison (not the couch one):

“i hear there’s a giant garbage dump up in the mountains. I think it’s called Appalachia.”

Let me know when one of the Harris surrogates makes this joke after being vetted and approved by the Harris campaign.

I’m not against comparing the candidates but it can’t just be in kind, degree counts for most of the comparison.

And this isn’t even the best comparison because there were probably no Appalachians who were going to vote for Harris anyway, whereas there could be many Puerto Ricans inclined towards Trump.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

I'm really curious to see how ANY SANE INDIVIDUAL can defend the rhetoric espoused at this rally? How could anyone vote for someone who considers Puerto Ricans 'piles of garbage'? This among so much other disgusting balderdash, it's difficult to even know where to begin.

Begin by understanding that it is projection. Then sprinkle in generous portions of racism, xenophobia and ignorance. Not so hard to comprehend after that.

 

[Bronzeage]

It's okay everyone, JD Vance has fixed it

If That Puerto Rico Joke Doesn’t Cost Trump, JD Vance’s Reaction Will

The Republican vice presidential nominee has made the whole joke worse with his defense.

newrepublic.com

It's almost RVonse-like in its obfuscation;

“Maybe it’s a stupid, racist joke, as you said; maybe it’s not. I haven’t seen it,” he continued. “I’m not gonna comment on the specificity of the joke … but I think that we have to stop getting offended at every little thing in the United States of America, I’m just so over it.”

This is the same guy who got sand in his arse crack over being called a couch fucker.

At this point, no one actually cares, but JD is lying. He was at the rally and there is no practical way for him to have avoided hearing the joke or hearing about it immediately after. Instead we are asked to believe he walked up to a podium where the island of garbage was going to be the first question, and he hasn't even seen a video of it.

Vance's problem at the moment is he hasn't spent the last 8 years exhibiting an increasing shakier grip on reality. He had to jump into the ice water tub with no adjustment period. He had to go from resume padding grade lies to full blown denial of reality fabrications in a matter of seconds.

 

[TSwizzle]

Four days later and there is still much clutching of pearls over a silly joke!

 

[Elixir]

This is the same guy who got sand in his arse crack over being called a couch fucker.

“Sectional Predator”, please.

I guess meanspirited jokes are only ok from the left.

"Sectional predator" isn't meanspirited. It wasn't meant to be taken as an actual claim. Calling Puerto Ricans garbage was.

Bigoted, racist jokes don’t sound bigoted or racist to bigoted racists.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What was it that Obama once said? "Never underestimate the ability for Joe Biden to fuck things up"?

Biden may have handed Trump a big assist with his ‘garbage’ gaffe

CNN —
Joe Biden had largely been an afterthought one week before the election in which he’d once hoped to win a second term.

Not anymore.

The president inadvertently injected himself into the homestretch of the campaign and may have handed a big assist to his erstwhile rival, ex-President Donald Trump, who is struggling to quell a furor over his bigotry-filled rally at Madison Square Garden earlier this week.

Biden mentioned Puerto Rico, slandered as a “floating island of garbage” by a comedian at Trump’s event on Sunday night. But his clumsy defense of the self-governing American territory — and the vital swing voters in its diaspora on the US mainland — sparked a new political firestorm and distracted from Vice Kamala President Harris’ big closing argument speech against a White House backdrop on Tuesday night.

“And just the other day, a speaker at his rally called Puerto Rico ‘a floating island of garbage.’ Well, let me tell you something … I don’t know the Puerto Rican that I know… or Puerto Rico where I’m – in my home state of Delaware – they’re good, decent, honorable people,” Biden said during virtual remarks in a Voto Latino get-out-the-vote call meant to help Harris.

“The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters,” Biden said, pausing for a moment before continuing. “His, his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable and it’s un-American.”

That escalated quickly. We went from some rando comedian saying "Puerto Rico is a floating island of garbage" to the sitting President saying that half the country (Trump supporters) is garbage.

That is exactly it! Name-calling, broad brushing, denigrating is fine and "silly"... as long as it isn't against people in the right-wing. The "fuck your feelings" crowd easily get their feelings hurt.

Of course, its being spun differently by the White House, but it doesn't sound very persuasive. This sounds eerily similar to Hillary Clinton's ill advised "deplorables" comment in 2016.

It wasn't a good thing for Biden to say, as the statement was way too broad. I don't think it'll move the needle a micron though. I have no idea if the MSG rally will move the needle either. But it with Bad Bunny supporting Harris, maybe a little?

 

[TSwizzle]

How could anyone vote for someone who considers Puerto Ricans 'piles of garbage'?

Tony Hinchcliffe is running for office?

 

[TomC]

How could anyone vote for someone who considers Puerto Ricans 'piles of garbage'?

Tony Hinchcliffe is running for office?

No, but the people who hired him, and knew full well what his schtick is, are running for office.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

How could anyone vote for someone who considers Puerto Ricans 'piles of garbage'?

Tony Hinchcliffe is running for office?

No, but the people who hired him, and knew full well what his schtick is, are running for office.
Tom

Somehow an image of Alfred E. Newman comes to mind. “What? Me bigoted?”

 

[ZiprHead]

Watermelon jokes? Really?

Maybe they are trying to appeal to Palestinians.
Why watermelons are a symbol of Palestinian solidarity

You're not that dumb.

 

[starwater]

Four days later and there is still much clutching of pearls over a silly joke!

Insulting an island is not a "silly joke" no matter how you try and rationalize it.

 

[Elixir]

Four days later and there is still much clutching of pearls over a silly joke!

Insulting an island is not a "silly joke" no matter how you try and rationalize it.

And this from a guy still repeating a college football announcer’s gaffe from years ago …
Good old Brandon, we barely knew ye.

 

[TSwizzle]

Four days later and there is still much clutching of pearls over a silly joke!

Insulting an island is not a "silly joke" no matter how you try and rationalize it.

Relax, it was a silly joke. And if you listened to the crowd reaction, it fell flat. Something the pro Kamala press haven't reported.

 

[Shadowy Man]

What was it that Obama once said? "Never underestimate the ability for Joe Biden to fuck things up"?

Biden may have handed Trump a big assist with his ‘garbage’ gaffe

CNN —
Joe Biden had largely been an afterthought one week before the election in which he’d once hoped to win a second term.

Not anymore.

The president inadvertently injected himself into the homestretch of the campaign and may have handed a big assist to his erstwhile rival, ex-President Donald Trump, who is struggling to quell a furor over his bigotry-filled rally at Madison Square Garden earlier this week.

Biden mentioned Puerto Rico, slandered as a “floating island of garbage” by a comedian at Trump’s event on Sunday night. But his clumsy defense of the self-governing American territory — and the vital swing voters in its diaspora on the US mainland — sparked a new political firestorm and distracted from Vice Kamala President Harris’ big closing argument speech against a White House backdrop on Tuesday night.

“And just the other day, a speaker at his rally called Puerto Rico ‘a floating island of garbage.’ Well, let me tell you something … I don’t know the Puerto Rican that I know… or Puerto Rico where I’m – in my home state of Delaware – they’re good, decent, honorable people,” Biden said during virtual remarks in a Voto Latino get-out-the-vote call meant to help Harris.

“The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters,” Biden said, pausing for a moment before continuing. “His, his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable and it’s un-American.”

That escalated quickly. We went from some rando comedian saying "Puerto Rico is a floating island of garbage" to the sitting President saying that half the country (Trump supporters) is garbage. Of course, its being spun differently by the White House, but it doesn't sound very persuasive. This sounds eerily similar to Hillary Clinton's ill advised "deplorables" comment in 2016.

On the bright side, at least he didn't call them Latinx.

I have recently heard that Republican wisdom was to not get offended by every little thing.

 

[starwater]

Four days later and there is still much clutching of pearls over a silly joke!

Insulting an island is not a "silly joke" no matter how you try and rationalize it.

Relax, it was a silly joke. And if you listened to the crowd reaction, it fell flat. Something the pro Kamala press haven't reported.

Again your trying to tell me what to do.