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Shadowy Man said:
Gospel said:
No matter what the White House says about it or what Biden might have truly meant, it was an incredibly foolish thing to say at this stage in the election. Harris had stayed clear of any major negative press until now. What a disappointment. As vice president, you can’t just distance yourself from the president—it simply doesn’t work that way.
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If JD Vance can get away with saying Trump is "America's Hitler", and he's Trump's actual running mate, then I don't think anything Biden says should be able to really reflect on Harris. Or that would seem to be the logic of the right wing. "Get over it."

And by the way, I'm not sure I've ever heard Vance actually apologize for that comment. Maybe he has, but I haven't seen it.
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Tell the independents to just 'get over it.' Go ahead and say the same to those who voted for Trump last time but were considering a switch. I'm sure this attitude will secure all the votes the Democrats need. I’m sure Hillary thought deplorables didn't matter, too.
 
Gospel said:
Shadowy Man said:
Gospel said:
No matter what the White House says about it or what Biden might have truly meant, it was an incredibly foolish thing to say at this stage in the election. Harris had stayed clear of any major negative press until now. What a disappointment. As vice president, you can’t just distance yourself from the president—it simply doesn’t work that way.
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If JD Vance can get away with saying Trump is "America's Hitler", and he's Trump's actual running mate, then I don't think anything Biden says should be able to really reflect on Harris. Or that would seem to be the logic of the right wing. "Get over it."

And by the way, I'm not sure I've ever heard Vance actually apologize for that comment. Maybe he has, but I haven't seen it.
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Tell the independents to just 'get over it.' Go ahead and say the same to those who voted for Trump last time but were considering a switch. I'm sure this attitude will secure all the votes the Democrats need. I’m sure Hillary thought deplorables didn't matter, too.
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Well, if we're just talking about true undecided independents, I'm more than happy to put Biden's comments against Trump's. If someone is not going to vote for Harris because of a single gaffe by Biden while ignoring everything they know about Trump then they aren't really an independent voter.
 
Shadowy Man said:
If JD Vance can get away with saying Trump is "America's Hitler", and he's Trump's actual running mate, then I don't think anything Biden says should be able to really reflect on Harris.
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Here’s the thing—we’re not dealing with entirely rational voters. We’re talking about people who only think about politics on Election Day, many of whom wouldn’t vote for anyone but a Republican over the smallest issues. Now they’re just starting to learn what’s on their ballots, heavily swayed by the latest news cycle. It’s easy to underestimate how uninformed and emotional a lot of voters really are.
 
Kamala was actively campaigning to bring Americans together, even working with people like Cheney to bridge the gap and give Trump voters a reason to switch sides. Then Biden goes and calls them ‘garbage.’ Just think about it—do you think Kamala would be focusing on this if it didn’t matter? Personally, I think things could still turn out fine because she’s doing so well, but that was an incredibly foolish thing for Biden to say, regardless of his intentions.
 
The country appears roughly split 50/50 between Harris and Trump.

His supporters do not care, they applaud him. Reactions to his outrageous speech inspires his supporters.

Trump has always been a showman. He thrives on controversy, it sells his brand.

He is manipulating both the left and right to his advantage.

Harris' appeal to civility makes no dent in Trump's supporters. T
 
Well tell her campaign strategists that. They obviously disagree with that take
 
Gospel said:
Well tell her campaign strategists that. They obviously disagree with that take
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Harris responds because it isa matter of ethics and morality, the right thing to do in speaking out.

But it will have little effect on his supporters. It anything it will increase their support of Trump, who plays the innocent victim.
 
Gospel said:
No matter what the White House says about it or what Biden might have truly meant, it was an incredibly foolish thing to say at this stage in the election. Harris had stayed clear of any major negative press until now. What a disappointment. As vice president, you can’t just distance yourself from the president—it simply doesn’t work that way.
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So, nobody has ever said something stupid that they quickly regretted? Damn. It's so insane that even Harris supporters are so critical of Harris or Biden when they make a little mistake, but Trump can trash people constantly, and that's okay. I don't think Biden's little error is going to change the outcome of this election. It's extremely close and has been that way since Harris became the nominee, and I'm pretty sure that there aren't really any undecided voters. There are apathetic voters who may not bother to show up, but I can't believe that a slip of the tongue by Biden, who isn't even running for president, is going to change anyone's mind. Some jerks might pretend to use it as a justification for how they voted, but no way in hell can I believe that his remark will have an impact on the election, even though some might use this as an excuse to blame him.

For that matter, I doubt Hillary's stupid deplorable remark caused her to lose. People had already decided to vote for Trump when she made that stupid remark. It doesn't even make sense to claim that's why she lost the election.
 
Apparently, Its of little importance when I say Kamala's campaign is about unifying America and that Biden's gaffe didn’t help that cause. I’m not claiming this will sway votes one way or the other—it could go either way, honestly. But somehow, it’s as if I’m saying no one has ever said something foolish, or that Trump can go around criticizing others without consequence. It’s starting to feel surreal, especially since I know I've been critical of Trump. All I’m pointing out is that it’s frustrating to see avoidable mistakes serving as easy fodder for the news cycle. By the way, the ‘choking Biden out’ comment was meant as a joke, in the style of Eddie Murphy, Bernie Mac, or Richard Pryor—a way to illustrate my frustration with the absurdity of the situation. That’s likely what's triggering the reaction. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Didn't we recently argue in this very thread that the Democrats haven’t said anything akin to calling voters 'deplorables' this election? Am I nuts? :ROFLMAO:

Edit: I am, it was a different thread.
 
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steve_bank said:
Gospel said:
Well tell her campaign strategists that. They obviously disagree with that take
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Harris responds because it isa matter of ethics and morality, the right thing to do in speaking out.

But it will have little effect on his supporters. It anything it will increase their support of Trump, who plays the innocent victim.
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Harris’s campaign message about unifying America hinges on her promise to listen to and respect differing opinions. But Biden’s recent comment seemed to contradict that approach, essentially saying, 'not quite.' Given that she’s currently the vice president, it’s not a great look when her boss says something that clashes with what she’s telling potential supporters. Now, maybe this won’t end up being a big deal, but on paper, it doesn’t come across well. Would you agree, or do you see it differently? I'm not making the argument you seem to think—that her campaign strategy or Biden's gaffe will necessarily influence voters. My point is that the entire aim of her campaign is to sway them and calling people garbage doesn't work.

I disagree that gaffes don’t have an impact, especially now with people heading to the polls. The 'basket of deplorables' incident didn’t do Hillary any favors and was weaponized against Democrats long after. Sure, it may seem trivial, and some Trump supporters might embrace anything, but it’s generally not good for a party to appear indifferent to an entire demographic. Even the 'Trash Island of Puerto Rico' comment led that hot chick Nikki Jam to switch sides. Moments like these can resonate and leave lasting impressions.
 
Sheesh, Biden is known for off the cuff gaffs.

At heart he is gregarious. Off camera I doubt he is politically correct.

My father was not racist although a few of my my uncles were., If you heard my father speak today he would be critic ed. He would call Chinese food 'Chink Food' without any animosity behind it.

That is Biden.

That being said the Trump speech is most definitely racist. He is paying to a racist crowd.


Way back he was caught in a sting divertng well qualified minority aplicants for his upscale housng to other locations.


So, whem Harris calls Trtump racist his followers say ''Way to go Trump!';
 
TSwizzle said:
southernhybrid said:
a slip of the tongue by Biden
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Brandon saying the quiet part out loud more like.

Democrats have nothing but contempt for the plebs, the white plebs in particular.
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To be fair to Democrats, Trump supporters aren't giving us much to work with.

I mean, it was bad enough when conservatives elected a featherweight President in 2000, then 9/11 and thousands died then a juxtapositioned pivot to an invasion of Iraq 10,000 dead or maimed US troops but not before being mocked by the right for asking questions about invading Iraq. Dude left the nation in the worst economic crisis since the 1930s. Then in 2016, you folks decide to bust it up a notch and elect one of the worst people in the country to be President... and are looking to try to do so again for the third time despite the utter shit show that was his Presidency, culminating with his suggesting people ask their doctors about injecting disinfectant.

Contempt? What do you want, candy?! Here, have some candy for showing why the Founding Fathers didn't trust the general populace to vote.
 
Gospel said:
Apparently, Its of little importance when I say Kamala's campaign is about unifying America and that Biden's gaffe didn’t help that cause. I’m not claiming this will sway votes one way or the other—it could go either way, honestly. But somehow, it’s as if I’m saying no one has ever said something foolish, or that Trump can go around criticizing others without consequence. It’s starting to feel surreal, especially since I know I've been critical of Trump. All I’m pointing out is that it’s frustrating to see avoidable mistakes serving as easy fodder for the news cycle. By the way, the ‘choking Biden out’ comment was meant as a joke, in the style of Eddie Murphy, Bernie Mac, or Richard Pryor—a way to illustrate my frustration with the absurdity of the situation. That’s likely what's triggering the reaction. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I didn't take you all that seriously. I'm just so tired of people over reacting to anything that Biden or Kamala say that isn't perfect.

I just heard that the crazy MAGAs are in an uproar over the commercial where a man asks his wife if she made the right choice when she voted and she says, "I sure did", the implication being that she can vote for who she wants, and doesn't have to tell him, if he disagrees. It's all about trying to control women. It's sickening. It's giving me, a woman who has frequently had to stand up to asshole male doctors and sometimes has to tell my dearly beloved husband of 42 years to go fuck himself when appropriate, a fucking headache. Btw, Mr. Sohy and I have always voted for the same party, the more sane party that doesn't elect people like Trump, or Kemp etc.
 
southernhybrid said:
just heard that the crazy MAGAs are in an uproar over the commercial where a man asks his wife if she made the right choice when she voted and she says, "I sure did", the implication being that she can vote for who she wants, and doesn't have to tell him, if he disagrees.
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She needs permission from Kami’s campaign to do that?
Sickening is right.
Apparently MAGAt men think they should have two votes if they’re married.
 
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