No Hymen, No Diamond

[Derec]

Have you ever been married or divorced?

Luckily not.

Alimony is a myth.

Alimony most definitely is not a myth. It's a matter of divorce law and it's very sexist in its application (as I said, 96% of recipients are women).
And up until quite recently many states had the ultimate perversion - life long alimony. And guess who opposes reform of alimony laws? Feminists, that's who.
New alimony law is bad for women
If you don't remember who Wendy Murphy is, she was one of the feminists who were certain that Duke Lacrosse players were guilty.
You still stand by your erroneous statement that alimony is a myth?

It's something from an older generation. These days, only the very wealthy even consider alimony in a divorce settlement. The average divorcing couple doesn't have enough to argue over.

Citation needed on your assertion that only "very wealthy" get saddled with alimony.

In most divorces, each person's standard of living drops when they separate. Women tend to suffer a little more. This because of the wage disparity between men and women.

Women usually get the house while the man has to move into a studio apartment or something. And women usually receive child support (a custodial father is far less likely to get awarded child support than a custodial mother as I have shown in the child support thread) and often alimony.

Of course, when a woman kicks a man out because he is a stay at home bum, who never contributes anything, she is better off without him.

If he doesn't work should he not be receiving alimony if genders are equal? And do you also consider stay-at-home wives as "bums"?

People marry and divorce for diverse reasons, but a woman who marries with the idea of profiting from a divorce is a very very rare thing.

Given how divorce laws are stacked against the man I find that hard to believe. For example there was one case where a judge ordered a man to pay $10,000 per month in alimony and also awarded her the house. That's $120,000 per year - insanity! How about requiring the ex-wife to get a job to support herself? The man ended up killing his wife and taking a pot-shot at the unjust judge.

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but Derec, you don't even try.

You should ask Bronzeage that who bombed pretty spectacularly with his erroneous statement that alimony was a myth.

 

[Bronzeage]

Luckily not.

Alimony is a myth.

Alimony most definitely is not a myth. It's a matter of divorce law and it's very sexist in its application (as I said, 96% of recipients are women).
And up until quite recently many states had the ultimate perversion - life long alimony. And guess who opposes reform of alimony laws? Feminists, that's who.
New alimony law is bad for women
If you don't remember who Wendy Murphy is, she was one of the feminists who were certain that Duke Lacrosse players were guilty.
You still stand by your erroneous statement that alimony is a myth?

It's something from an older generation. These days, only the very wealthy even consider alimony in a divorce settlement. The average divorcing couple doesn't have enough to argue over.

Citation needed on your assertion that only "very wealthy" get saddled with alimony.

In most divorces, each person's standard of living drops when they separate. Women tend to suffer a little more. This because of the wage disparity between men and women.

Women usually get the house while the man has to move into a studio apartment or something. And women usually receive child support (a custodial father is far less likely to get awarded child support than a custodial mother as I have shown in the child support thread) and often alimony.

Of course, when a woman kicks a man out because he is a stay at home bum, who never contributes anything, she is better off without him.

If he doesn't work should he not be receiving alimony if genders are equal? And do you also consider stay-at-home wives as "bums"?

People marry and divorce for diverse reasons, but a woman who marries with the idea of profiting from a divorce is a very very rare thing.

Given how divorce laws are stacked against the man I find that hard to believe. For example there was one case where a judge ordered a man to pay $10,000 per month in alimony and also awarded her the house. That's $120,000 per year - insanity! How about requiring the ex-wife to get a job to support herself? The man ended up killing his wife and taking a pot-shot at the unjust judge.

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but Derec, you don't even try.

You should ask Bronzeage that who bombed pretty spectacularly with his erroneous statement that alimony was a myth.

How many women do you know who have been awarded alimony? I have been divorced twice and alimony was never an issue. The first time, there was no house and the second time, I kept the house.

Tell us about your divorce experience. Please do not use men who kill their wife and try to murder a judge as a role model.

 

[Derec]

How many women do you know who have been awarded alimony?

I don't know any of which I know they receive alimony. I also do not know any of which I know for sure they do not receive alimony. Also I do not know enough divorced women for a large enough sample. However, I did know some men who were paying alimony.

I have been divorced twice and alimony was never an issue. The first time, there was no house and the second time, I kept the house.

Well that settles it. Since Bronzeage did not have to pay alimony, alimony is a myth.
Bronzologic: City of Bielefeld, Germany must be a myth. I mean, in all the time I was living in Germany I never went there.
Please tell us about your Germany experience.

How many women do you know who have been awarded alimony?

How many people from Bielefeld do you know?

Please do not use men who kill their wife and try to murder a judge as a role model.

He is not a role model, just a man who was pushed too far by an unjust, sexist and corrupt system.

 

[Bronzeage]

I don't know any of which I know they receive alimony. I also do not know any of which I know for sure they do not receive alimony. Also I do not know enough divorced women for a large enough sample. However, I did know some men who were paying alimony.

I have been divorced twice and alimony was never an issue. The first time, there was no house and the second time, I kept the house.

Well that settles it. Since Bronzeage did not have to pay alimony, alimony is a myth.
Bronzologic: City of Bielefeld, Germany must be a myth. I mean, in all the time I was living in Germany I never went there.
Please tell us about your Germany experience.

How many women do you know who have been awarded alimony?

How many people from Bielefeld do you know?

Please do not use men who kill their wife and try to murder a judge as a role model.

He is not a role model, just a man who was pushed too far by an unjust, sexist and corrupt system.

I'm not buying that story and I'm surprised you would give it any credence. Don't you wonder what it must have been like to live with this guy? Do you really think he was a rational peaceful person, right up to the day of the divorce decree?

Life doesn't work that. If I were to speculate, I would say this was a violent, jealous,and insecure man who blamed the world for the problems he brought on himself. I offer as evidence, he killed his wife and tried to kill the judge. There are millions of divorces granted every year, but very few feel the need to murder in an attempt to rebuild their life as a single man.

I understand the source of your misogyny and your fear of the power of women. I know this makes your life difficult, but that's no reason to for me to act as if your world view in any way reflects reality.

 

[Derec]

I'm not buying that story and I'm surprised you would give it any credence.

Which part do you doubt?

Don't you wonder what it must have been like to live with this guy? Do you really think he was a rational peaceful person, right up to the day of the divorce decree?

So what if he wasn't (which is pure speculation on your part)? The judge still should not have given her $10,000 per month of his money.

I understand the source of your misogyny and your fear of the power of women.

You have been proven wrong about the whole "alimony is a myth" nonsense so you resort to insults - nice.
I am not a misogynist and I believe men and women should be equal before the law. Law and courts should not be giving women special rights and powers - like the power to make her ex-husband her serf.

I know this makes your life difficult, but that's no reason to for me to act as if your world view in any way reflects reality.

Sexism and misandry in divorce and family law are very much real.

 

[Playball40]

It's likely that it would average out to about half.
However, given sexist divorce laws women are the biggest beneficiaries of divorce. For example, 96% of alimony recipients are women.

Have you ever been married or divorced?

Alimony is a myth. It's something from an older generation. These days, only the very wealthy even consider alimony in a divorce settlement. The average divorcing couple doesn't have enough to argue over.

In most divorces, each person's standard of living drops when they separate. Women tend to suffer a little more. This because of the wage disparity between men and women. Of course, when a woman kicks a man out because he is a stay at home bum, who never contributes anything, she is better off without him.

People marry and divorce for diverse reasons, but a woman who marries with the idea of profiting from a divorce is a very very rare thing.

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You really only see the words already in your head when you read, don't you?

You responded to women divorcing men with blaming men "not keeping her interested" for the divorce.

Actually, if women really divorced men for "not keeping her interested," there wouldn't be many 10th anniversaries.

Normally I agree with you, but not in this case. My friend has just been slammed with alimony. His ex wife has two masters degrees but claimed she's not employable until she gets a doctorate degree. Give me a break.

 

[RavenSky]

People marry and divorce for diverse reasons, but a woman who marries with the idea of profiting from a divorce is a very very rare thing.

Given how divorce laws are stacked against the man I find that hard to believe. For example there was one case where a judge ordered a man to pay $10,000 per month in alimony and also awarded her the house. That's $120,000 per year - insanity! How about requiring the ex-wife to get a job to support herself? The man ended up killing his wife and taking a pot-shot at the unjust judge.

Why on earth would you use this particular case to try to support your position?

The murderer you are defending here was making more than $44,000 per month and had a stated net worth of nearly 10 million dollars. His wife was a stay-at-home mom by HIS choice as much as hers. Part of the reasoning for the alimony was that child support is capped in Nevada, and was consequently far too low in proportion to his income. As for Carla, she was not some gold-digger who married him for the alimony She was married to him for more than 10 years and had a child with him. He MURDERED her... slit her throat... over money. And you are defending HIM while implicitly blaming her? Seriously Derec?

He tried to murder a Judge! Calmly planned and carried out a pre-meditated plan to shoot the Judge long-range from a parking garage near the Judge's office. Over money. And you are defending the MURDERER while implicity blaming the Judge?

Seriously Derec?

 

[Derec]

Why on earth would you use this particular case to try to support your position?

Because it was a clear example of a ridiculously high alimony award. And because that judicial injustice resulted in a tragedy.

The murderer you are defending here was making more than $44,000 per month and had a stated net worth of nearly 10 million dollars.

So what? He was working for that money, not her. So why should she get to claim a big chunk of it without lifting a finger?

His wife was a stay-at-home mom by HIS choice as much as hers.

I do not see why that should mean that he should continue to support her after they are divorced. If she cooked, cleaned etc. for the family while they were married she is not going to continue doing any of that for him after they are divorced. He provided for her financially while they were married but why should that support continue after the divorce? Why should she not have to get a job to support herself?

Part of the reasoning for the alimony was that child support is capped in Nevada, and was consequently far too low in proportion to his income.

The child support was capped for a reason - to avoid excessive awards. That doesn't mean alimony should be used to allow the ex-wife to live in luxury for the rest of her life without having to work ever.

As for Carla, she was not some gold-digger who married him for the alimony

How do you know she was not a gold-digger? She demanded a $10,000 per month alimony - sounds like gold-digging behavior to me - and the corrupt judge gave it to her.

She was married to him for more than 10 years and had a child with him.

And why should that entitle her to continue living in luxury without working? He provided for her while they were married, why should that support continue after the divorce? Unless of course you think men should be serfs of their ex-wives. You seem to agree with feminist Wendy Murphy that men should be forced to support their ex-wives forever.

He MURDERED her... slit her throat... over money. And you are defending HIM while implicitly blaming her? Seriously Derec?

I am not condoning what he did but I understand why he snapped in the face of government-sponsored injustice.

He tried to murder a Judge! Calmly planned and carried out a pre-meditated plan to shoot the Judge long-range from a parking garage near the Judge's office. Over money. And you are defending the MURDERER while implicity blaming the Judge?

The judge committed an injustice of making him the serf to his gold-digging ex. Again, that was $10,000 per month. An insane alimony amount.
I am not condoning trying to kill him, but he should never have been a judge because he lacks common sense and impartiality.

 

[Derec]

I know this is England, but how about this for an gold-digging ex and abusive and sexist court system:
Dale Vince: Multi-millionaire eco-tycoon says he won't give historic ex-wife a penny despite court victory
She is suing him for millions 30 years after the divorce and even though he made his money after the divorce. And the corrupt court did not dismiss the frivolous suit out of hand. Un-fucking-believable. He also has to pay for her high-priced lawyers - half a million pounds so far - while this abuse of the court system is going on.

 

[RavenSky]

Because it was a clear example of a ridiculously high alimony award.

No, Derec. No it isn't.

The murderer you are defending here was making more than $44,000 per month and had a stated net worth of nearly 10 million dollars.

So what? He was working for that money, not her. So why should she get to claim a big chunk of it without lifting a finger?

it is very clear that you do not understanding a single thing about raising children.

His wife was a stay-at-home mom by HIS choice as much as hers.

I do not see why that should mean that he should continue to support her after they are divorced. If she cooked, cleaned etc. for the family while they were married she is not going to continue doing any of that for him after they are divorced. He provided for her financially while they were married but why should that support continue after the divorce? Why should she not have to get a job to support herself?

"him". It's all about him in your mind (& in his). First of all, as I already noted, the "alimony" award in this case was really about proportionate child support. Second, she had every intention of working after the divorce and was already pursuing plans in that direction until HE MURDERED HER. Third, when a single mom has to go to work post divorce, then she also has to provide for child care while she is at this job that people like you insist she must have to satisfy your very twisted sensibilities.

Part of the reasoning for the alimony was that child support is capped in Nevada, and was consequently far too low in proportion to his income.

The child support was capped for a reason - to avoid excessive awards.

More opinions from someone who has no idea what he is talking about and who blames women for everything.

There is no good reason for child support to be capped. If Dad makes more than $44,000 per MONTH, there is no good reason for HIS child to be forced to live a vastly lower standard of living because the parents got divorced.

That doesn't mean alimony should be used to allow the ex-wife to live in luxury for the rest of her life without having to work ever.

and there you are... blaming the woman... as always

As for Carla, she was not some gold-digger who married him for the alimony

How do you know she was not a gold-digger? She demanded a $10,000 per month alimony - sounds like gold-digging behavior to me - and the corrupt judge gave it to her.

SHE demanded? Show factual evidence for this claim. Moreover and more importantly, show factual evidence that the Judge was/is corrupt. That is a very strong word to use against a sitting Judge, so I expect you to provide factual evidence or retract the claim.

She was married to him for more than 10 years and had a child with him.

And why should that entitle her to continue living in luxury without working? He provided for her while they were married, why should that support continue after the divorce? Unless of course you think men should be serfs of their ex-wives.

Again, it wasn't about HER. It was about HIS CHiLD. But you and the nutcase MRA's and insane murderers like Darren want to blame the woman and make it all about the woman.

Your last statement is especially ridiculous in reference to a man who was worth nearly 10 million and making more than $44,000 per MONTH.

He MURDERED her... slit her throat... over money. And you are defending HIM while implicitly blaming her? Seriously Derec?

I am not condoning what he did but I understand why he snapped in the face of government-sponsored injustice.

He didn't "snap". He coldly premeditated the murder of his wife, the attempted murder of a sitting Judge, and his flight into Mexico to evade being arresting for his crimes. He murdered his wife over MONEY... Nothing but money. And a relatively small amount of money compared to his income. Money that was for HIS child... The child he has deprived of both a mother and a father.

But you "understand" and defend him. Really? I thought better of you than that.

He tried to murder a Judge! Calmly planned and carried out a pre-meditated plan to shoot the Judge long-range from a parking garage near the Judge's office. Over money. And you are defending the MURDERER while implicity blaming the Judge?

The judge committed an injustice of making him the serf to his gold-digging ex. Again, that was $10,000 per month. An insane alimony amount.
I am not condoning trying to kill him, but he should never have been a judge because he lacks common sense and impartiality.

The Judge did not commit any injustice, nor did the judge make him "a serf" nor was his wife a "gold-digger"; but you are condoning his murderous actions when you go on and on and on defending him while defaming his victims.

Seriously Derec, get off the MRA boards. They are rotting you. I truly do believe there is a kernel of good in you, surrounded by a wall of pain. I also truly believe that there is a part of you that wants to rejoin normal human society (that includes women), but you will never get there when you insist on immersing yourself in the insane misogynistic hatred of the MRA's and the sad-sacks of "No Hymen, No Diamond". You are way better than this.

 

[RavenSky]

I know this is England, but how about this for an gold-digging ex and abusive and sexist court system:
Dale Vince: Multi-millionaire eco-tycoon says he won't give historic ex-wife a penny despite court victory
She is suing him for millions 30 years after the divorce and even though he made his money after the divorce. And the corrupt court did not dismiss the frivolous suit out of hand. Un-fucking-believable.

How about you stop actively searching for women to hate? What does this new derail have to do with the very sick puppies at "No Hymen, No Diamond"?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

I know this is England, but how about this for an gold-digging ex and abusive and sexist court system:
Dale Vince: Multi-millionaire eco-tycoon says he won't give historic ex-wife a penny despite court victory
She is suing him for millions 30 years after the divorce and even though he made his money after the divorce. And the corrupt court did not dismiss the frivolous suit out of hand. Un-fucking-believable.

How about you stop actively searching for women to hate? What does this new derail have to do with the very sick puppies at "No Hymen, No Diamond"?

Derec also cannot help himself.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How many women do you know who have been awarded alimony? I have been divorced twice and alimony was never an issue. The first time, there was no house and the second time, I kept the house.

Tell us about your divorce experience. Please do not use men who kill their wife and try to murder a judge as a role model.

Off the top of my head I can think of two women we know that got alimony, albeit for a limited period. Neither used it as it should have been used to better their job prospects though education.

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Given how divorce laws are stacked against the man I find that hard to believe. For example there was one case where a judge ordered a man to pay $10,000 per month in alimony and also awarded her the house. That's $120,000 per year - insanity! How about requiring the ex-wife to get a job to support herself? The man ended up killing his wife and taking a pot-shot at the unjust judge.

Why on earth would you use this particular case to try to support your position?

The murderer you are defending here was making more than $44,000 per month and had a stated net worth of nearly 10 million dollars. His wife was a stay-at-home mom by HIS choice as much as hers. Part of the reasoning for the alimony was that child support is capped in Nevada, and was consequently far too low in proportion to his income. As for Carla, she was not some gold-digger who married him for the alimony She was married to him for more than 10 years and had a child with him. He MURDERED her... slit her throat... over money. And you are defending HIM while implicitly blaming her? Seriously Derec?

He tried to murder a Judge! Calmly planned and carried out a pre-meditated plan to shoot the Judge long-range from a parking garage near the Judge's office. Over money. And you are defending the MURDERER while implicity blaming the Judge?

Seriously Derec?

In other words, they used alimony to skirt the intent of the cap on child support. You're supporting Derec's side!

 

[Underseer]

I know this is England, but how about this for an gold-digging ex and abusive and sexist court system:
Dale Vince: Multi-millionaire eco-tycoon says he won't give historic ex-wife a penny despite court victory
She is suing him for millions 30 years after the divorce and even though he made his money after the divorce. And the corrupt court did not dismiss the frivolous suit out of hand. Un-fucking-believable.

How about you stop actively searching for women to hate? What does this new derail have to do with the very sick puppies at "No Hymen, No Diamond"?

How can you ask a conservative to stop hating women?

Why else do you think so many of them turn out to be closet gays?

 

[bilby]

I just realised that because many American accents eliminate the middle syllable and almost completely fail to enunciate the letter 'd' at the end of the word 'diamond', the four word slogan in the thread title is intended to rhyme.

It sounds even more stupid without that rhythmic support.

 

[Horatio Parker]

I just realised that because many American accents eliminate the middle syllable and almost completely fail to enunciate the letter 'd' at the end of the word 'diamond', the four word slogan in the thread title is intended to rhyme.

It sounds even more stupid without that rhythmic support.

Its a half rhyme...the vowels rhyme.

 

[Bronzeage]

I just realised that because many American accents eliminate the middle syllable and almost completely fail to enunciate the letter 'd' at the end of the word 'diamond', the four word slogan in the thread title is intended to rhyme.

It sounds even more stupid without that rhythmic support.

How about,
No maidenhead, not in my bed
She must bleed, ere she take my seed
Only a cherry will make a man merry
Give me a twat no other man got

This stuff practically writes itself.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I know this is England, but how about this for an gold-digging ex and abusive and sexist court system:
Dale Vince: Multi-millionaire eco-tycoon says he won't give historic ex-wife a penny despite court victory
She is suing him for millions 30 years after the divorce and even though he made his money after the divorce. And the corrupt court did not dismiss the frivolous suit out of hand. Un-fucking-believable. He also has to pay for her high-priced lawyers - half a million pounds so far - while this abuse of the court system is going on.

The Supreme court ruled that the case can go ahead which is not the same as having made a judgement (yet). You don't have evidence to pre judge whether the case is frivolous.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I just realised that because many American accents eliminate the middle syllable and almost completely fail to enunciate the letter 'd' at the end of the word 'diamond', the four word slogan in the thread title is intended to rhyme.

It sounds even more stupid without that rhythmic support.

How about,
No maidenhead, not in my bed
She must bleed, ere she take my seed
Only a cherry will make a man merry
Give me a twat no other man got

This stuff practically writes itself.

Twat, got????

 

[Bronzeage]

How about,
No maidenhead, not in my bed
She must bleed, ere she take my seed
Only a cherry will make a man merry
Give me a twat no other man got

This stuff practically writes itself.

Twat, got????

Can you do better, Cyrano?