Nordstream sabotage

[Harry Bosch]

So, the neo-cons devised this mean strategy into baiting Russia into invading Ukraine. And they did this knowing that Ukraine and the western world would rally to defeat Russian imperialism, against incredible odds; and that this would lead to Putins downfall.

This is how realpolitik works.

Well, I'll tell you what, if the neocons are really behind this, we should appoint them leaders for life. Because this has worked brilliantly well!

 

[RVonse]

So, the neo-cons devised this mean strategy into baiting Russia into invading Ukraine. And they did this knowing that Ukraine and the western world would rally to defeat Russian imperialism, against incredible odds; and that this would lead to Putins downfall. This is your position? Again, don't want to strawman you. But I have to say, that if you think about it rationally, this is one of the most absurd conspiracy beliefs in history. This sounds like a tale downloaded from Hunter's laptop!

The neo-cons repeatedly and needlessly encroached Russia borders dispite repeated warnings over many years from Putin. And yes it was done without perfect claravoyance (obviously) but still confident most of Europe would be going as allies. What could be their other choice in this matter?

As far as Putins downfall...where are you getting this from? The cartoon network? In the first place, this isn't over yet, we have not seen what becomes of Germany coming winter. And in the second place, its not Putins downfall because he is armed with nuclear weapons anyway. No one wins or loses a nuclear war because everyone is dead.

 

[Gospel]

The Carlson-Kremlin feedback loop

www.mediamatters.org

Carlson’s coverage of the crisis created by Russia’s February invasion of Ukraine generally aligns with the Kremlin’s preferred narratives, to the point where Russian state media outlets, following their government’s explicit instructions, regularly air clips from his program.
That is what happened following the apparent sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines.
Just hours after Russian officials floated the narrative that the U.S. was responsible for damaging the pipelines, Carlson adopted it as his own.
Describing the ruptures as an “act of industrial terrorism,” Carlson quickly dispatched with the notion that Russia or its dictator, Vladimir Putin, might be involved. According to Carlson, Putin “would not do that” and would have to be “a suicidal moron to blow up your own energy pipeline.”
Instead, Carlson strongly suggested that the U.S. had sabotaged the pipelines. “If they did this, this will be one of the craziest, most destructive things any American administration has ever done,” he said. “But it would also be totally consistent with what they do. What do they do? They destroy.”
Carlson’s comically weak case revolved around two main pieces of evidence – Sikorski’s tweet, and a February statement from President Joe Biden that if Russia were to invade Ukraine, “there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.” That seems to very obviously reference what happened after Russia invaded – Germany froze the pipeline project, which has yet to become operational. But in Carlson’s typically dishonest translation, Biden “said ‘there won't be a Nord Stream 2. We'll put an end to it. Will take it out. Will blow it up.’”
On that scanty evidence, Carlson suggested that the U.S. had blown up an ally’s energy infrastructure. While on-screen text stated “Today’s escalation will have huge consequences,” Carlson asserted that “we've entered a new phase, one in which the United States is directly at war with the largest nuclear power in the world.” He added: “If we actually blew up the Nord Stream pipelines, why wouldn't Russia sever undersea internet cables? What would happen if they did that?"

More in the article.

Carlson is just hating on the so called libs (aka Biden administration) by all means necessary. If that means using the Russia/Ukraine conflict (or anything) then so be it. People are reading way to much into his behavior. He's really simple.

Edit: And highly likely reading a teleprompter while going off the cuff here and there (as instructed).

 

[Gospel]

Isn't Israel planning on selling natural gas to Europe? Where have their subs been?

 

[RVonse]

Looks like whoever did do this botched their job anyway. Russia saying they can still send their gas.

Gazprom Ready to Ship Gas Via Shelved Nord Stream 2 Pipeline

Gazprom PJSC told European gas customers that part of the damaged Nord Stream network could still transport fuel -- but only on the new pipeline that Germany ditched in February in protest at Russia’s aggression toward Ukraine.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Carlson is just hating on the so called libs (aka Biden administration) by all means necessary. If that means using the Russia/Ukraine conflict (or anything) then so be it. People are reading way to much into his behavior. He's really simple.

Selling a product for which there is a demand is all. He's a snake oil salesman of the highest order.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Carlson-Kremlin feedback loop

www.mediamatters.org

Carlson’s coverage of the crisis created by Russia’s February invasion of Ukraine generally aligns with the Kremlin’s preferred narratives, to the point where Russian state media outlets, following their government’s explicit instructions, regularly air clips from his program.
That is what happened following the apparent sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines.
Just hours after Russian officials floated the narrative that the U.S. was responsible for damaging the pipelines, Carlson adopted it as his own.
Describing the ruptures as an “act of industrial terrorism,” Carlson quickly dispatched with the notion that Russia or its dictator, Vladimir Putin, might be involved. According to Carlson, Putin “would not do that” and would have to be “a suicidal moron to blow up your own energy pipeline.”
Instead, Carlson strongly suggested that the U.S. had sabotaged the pipelines. “If they did this, this will be one of the craziest, most destructive things any American administration has ever done,” he said. “But it would also be totally consistent with what they do. What do they do? They destroy.”
Carlson’s comically weak case revolved around two main pieces of evidence – Sikorski’s tweet, and a February statement from President Joe Biden that if Russia were to invade Ukraine, “there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.” That seems to very obviously reference what happened after Russia invaded – Germany froze the pipeline project, which has yet to become operational. But in Carlson’s typically dishonest translation, Biden “said ‘there won't be a Nord Stream 2. We'll put an end to it. Will take it out. Will blow it up.’”
On that scanty evidence, Carlson suggested that the U.S. had blown up an ally’s energy infrastructure. While on-screen text stated “Today’s escalation will have huge consequences,” Carlson asserted that “we've entered a new phase, one in which the United States is directly at war with the largest nuclear power in the world.” He added: “If we actually blew up the Nord Stream pipelines, why wouldn't Russia sever undersea internet cables? What would happen if they did that?"

More in the article.

Carlson is just hating on the so called libs (aka Biden administration) by all means necessary. If that means using the Russia/Ukraine conflict (or anything) then so be it. People are reading way to much into his behavior. He's really simple.

Edit: And highly likely reading a teleprompter while going off the cuff here and there (as instructed).

No. The alt-right media has swerved well in to the Russian propaganda lane. It was about as odd and unexpected as when Trump started talking about Russia when Manafort took over the campaign in the spring of 2016. I have no idea why Carlson and the like are doing what they are doing, I mean short of being paid to do so.

 

[Gospel]

The Carlson-Kremlin feedback loop

www.mediamatters.org

Carlson’s coverage of the crisis created by Russia’s February invasion of Ukraine generally aligns with the Kremlin’s preferred narratives, to the point where Russian state media outlets, following their government’s explicit instructions, regularly air clips from his program.
That is what happened following the apparent sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines.
Just hours after Russian officials floated the narrative that the U.S. was responsible for damaging the pipelines, Carlson adopted it as his own.
Describing the ruptures as an “act of industrial terrorism,” Carlson quickly dispatched with the notion that Russia or its dictator, Vladimir Putin, might be involved. According to Carlson, Putin “would not do that” and would have to be “a suicidal moron to blow up your own energy pipeline.”
Instead, Carlson strongly suggested that the U.S. had sabotaged the pipelines. “If they did this, this will be one of the craziest, most destructive things any American administration has ever done,” he said. “But it would also be totally consistent with what they do. What do they do? They destroy.”
Carlson’s comically weak case revolved around two main pieces of evidence – Sikorski’s tweet, and a February statement from President Joe Biden that if Russia were to invade Ukraine, “there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.” That seems to very obviously reference what happened after Russia invaded – Germany froze the pipeline project, which has yet to become operational. But in Carlson’s typically dishonest translation, Biden “said ‘there won't be a Nord Stream 2. We'll put an end to it. Will take it out. Will blow it up.’”
On that scanty evidence, Carlson suggested that the U.S. had blown up an ally’s energy infrastructure. While on-screen text stated “Today’s escalation will have huge consequences,” Carlson asserted that “we've entered a new phase, one in which the United States is directly at war with the largest nuclear power in the world.” He added: “If we actually blew up the Nord Stream pipelines, why wouldn't Russia sever undersea internet cables? What would happen if they did that?"

More in the article.

Carlson is just hating on the so called libs (aka Biden administration) by all means necessary. If that means using the Russia/Ukraine conflict (or anything) then so be it. People are reading way to much into his behavior. He's really simple.

Edit: And highly likely reading a teleprompter while going off the cuff here and there (as instructed).

No. The alt-right media has swerved well in to the Russian propaganda lane. It was about as odd and unexpected as when Trump started talking about Russia when Manafort took over the campaign in the spring of 2016. I have no idea why Carlson and the like are doing what they are doing, I mean short of being paid to do so.

Only when they start peddling Russian propaganda without a hate the Democratic Party twist will I believe their is more to it.

 

[ZiprHead]

Scholz on turbines: ‘Trudeau took a strong decision that reinforced Germany’s and Europe’s position’

Transcript of The Globe’s interview with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz

www.theglobeandmail.com

With the delivery of the turbine, we called [Vladimir] Putin’s bluff. He cannot use this pretext anymore and cite technical reasons for declining gas deliveries. It is a well-known playbook by now: Russia wanted to stop gas deliveries and blame our sanctions regime for the result. We are seeing this in several fields. Russia is also blocking Ukrainian grain exports and blames Ukraine and the sanctions for the chaos in food markets worldwide.

 

[ZiprHead]

NO WAY BACK

Confuse, Distract, and Deflect​

As expected, pro-Kremlin disinformation outlets and their amplifiers have heavily focused on the Nord Stream gas pipelines sabotage(opens in a new tab) issue. They have continued to sow doubt and float various conspiracy theories, most of which heavily imply that the US, Poland, or the wider West are to blame for various reasons.

The overall Russian disinformation approach on Nord Stream sabotage has begun to suspiciously resemble that of the tragic downing of MH17. At that time, Russian disinformers quickly saturated the information space with a large number of disinformation and conspiracy narratives seeking to cause confusion, distract audiences, and deflect blame. Read more about the similarities from our recent analysis, and check also our full account on MH17 disinformation here.

 

[jonatha]

Daily Kos has a longish article arguing that poor maintenance combined with a longish period of disuse created methane hydrate blockages. A less than careful attempt to get rid of them (presumably by the Russians) might have ruptured the pipeline.

 

[Elixir]

Biden said he was going to blow up the pipe

Putting words that were never said in Sleepy Joe’s mouth (aka lying) won’t convince your present audience. We listened to what he said and when he said it.
It’s also printed above, though full context is missing. Anyhow Vonse, try sticking to the truth.

 

[ZiprHead]

Biden said he was going to blow up the pipe

Putting words that were never said in Sleepy Joe’s mouth (aka lying) won’t convince your present audience. We listened to what he said and when he said it.
It’s also printed above, though full context is missing. Anyhow Vonse, try sticking to the truth.

He's a Trump fanboi. Truth means nothing to those sorts.

 

[Elixir]

Biden said he was going to blow up the pipe

Putting words that were never said in Sleepy Joe’s mouth (aka lying) won’t convince your present audience. We listened to what he said and when he said it.
It’s also printed above, though full context is missing. Anyhow Vonse, try sticking to the truth.

He's a Trump fanboi. Truth means nothing to those sorts.

Still seems that posting lies here that literally everyone else on the board is going to see through, would be a CWOT.
For Vonse, and for anyone foolish enough to keep indulging them.
Sorry for the derail/thread drift.

 

[bilby]

Biden said he was going to blow up the pipe

Putting words that were never said in Sleepy Joe’s mouth (aka lying) won’t convince your present audience. We listened to what he said and when he said it.
It’s also printed above, though full context is missing. Anyhow Vonse, try sticking to the truth.

He's a Trump fanboi. Truth means nothing to those sorts.

Still seems that posting lies here that literally everyone else on the board is going to see through, would be a CWOT.
For Vonse, and for anyone foolish enough to keep indulging them.
Sorry for the derail/thread drift.

Nah, it's zero cost, so it's done to death.

It's the same business model as spam email. Even if 999,999 of every 1,000,000 instances are deleted unread, ignored, filtered out, or laughed off, that one person who swallows the bait makes it a net positive for their objective.

 

[Patooka]

Somebody needs to explain to me how neocons are in cahoots with democrats. Also why should we take the word of Tucker, one the biggest cheerleaders for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, on warmongering?

 

[Jayjay]

Somebody needs to explain to me how neocons are in cahoots with democrats. Also why should we take the word of Tucker, one the biggest cheerleaders for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, on warmongering?

In 2020 Tucker Carlson stopped a war with Iran, so I think that evens out his record.

 

[Patooka]

Somebody needs to explain to me how neocons are in cahoots with democrats. Also why should we take the word of Tucker, one the biggest cheerleaders for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, on warmongering?

In 2020 Tucker Carlson stopped a war with Iran, so I think that evens out his record.

How stupid of me. I really should have known better.

 

[RVonse]

 

Somebody needs to explain to me how neocons are in cahoots with democrats. Also why should we take the word of Tucker, one the biggest cheerleaders for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, on warmongering?

Good point. I should have said neoliberal in my post, Im not even sure what Tucker called them. But the point remains because the objective of the neolibs (like Hillary) and the neocons (like Cheney) are one and the same. They are war mongers at all costs in support of special interests and they can be red or blue. Both parties....both red and blue have destroyed the country just the same with their devotion to American exceptionalism.

As far as Tucker himself, so he was a neocon in the past? Can we not dissagree with his past views and still be able to focus on what he is saying today? Or do we have to stereotype everyone and put them in their proper shelf and location so we can grasp reality better? Tucker would not be the first person to have changed his mind on a political subject.

 

[Patooka]

Good point. I should have said neoliberal in my post, Im not even sure what Tucker called them. But the point remains because the objective of the neolibs (like Hillary) and the neocons (like Cheney) are one and the same. They are war mongers at all costs in support of special interests and they can be red or blue. Both parties....both red and blue have destroyed the country just the same with their devotion to American exceptionalism.

As far as Tucker himself, so he was a neocon in the past? Can we not dissagree with his past views and still be able to focus on what he is saying today? Or do we have to stereotype everyone and put them in their proper shelf and location so we can grasp reality better? Tucker would not be the first person to have changed his mind on a political subject

I've never seen someone tie themselves up so much in conundrums so hard to avoid the fucking obvious. Carlson is a lying piece of shit and would say anything to make the Democrats look bad. Treating anything he says the manner in which you do requires as huge amount of either dishonesty or outright ignorance. I'll let you decide which.

Also, Tucker's views have not changed in the last 3 decades, incidentally.