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Perhaps all we need is a better informed voting populace that knows how to see through already transparent demonization tactics that rely on false equivalencies?
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Perhaps all we need is a better informed voting populace that knows how to see through already transparent demonization tactics that rely on false equivalencies?
Well isn't that what your TV is for? Half of the public is informed enough to understand the vote is a ruse; they don't even bother to show up. Because they know that if the choice is a lessor of evils, ya still wind up with evil.
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Well, umm... I wouldn't doubt it if the GOP went to Supreme Court to find that unconstitutional... on a 5-4 vote.
lpetrich
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Elixir
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Close, but ... it was to RE-investigate (and find wrongdoing that they didn't find when they investigated the first time).
southernhybrid
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Interesting isn't it, nothing is ever put to rest or resolved.
T.G.G. Moogly
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I'll say it again - Tricky Don fears Pelosi more than anything else. She's the one thing he cannot control or influence and it bothers hell out of him. I don't know if Trumpo has the intellect to actually know fear but Pelosi must come the closest to scaring the shit out of him.
Can you highlight what in the transcript led you to believe this?
The "I would like you to do is a favor" part is close to the top.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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There are three favors, not one.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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For the disingenuous, the obtuse, and assorted literalist conservolibertarians:
The groupings of words that are highlighted are called sentences. There are two sentences highlighted. The words when strung together in a particular order convey meaning. The sentences reflect Donald Trump saying he wants something by saying if you could do X, "that would be great" and "if you can look into it ..." The three dots at the end are called an ellipsis and indicate a pause or something missing such as the implied, but unnecessary that'd be great. It's not a literal thing and essentially means I'd like you to do this.
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"Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."
The groupings of words that are highlighted are called sentences. There are two sentences highlighted. The words when strung together in a particular order convey meaning. The sentences reflect Donald Trump saying he wants something by saying if you could do X, "that would be great" and "if you can look into it ..." The three dots at the end are called an ellipsis and indicate a pause or something missing such as the implied, but unnecessary that'd be great. It's not a literal thing and essentially means I'd like you to do this.
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Another career ruined by working for Trump. I hope he plans to sing to congress.
barbos
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Good riddance, the guy was a disgusting neocon.
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I found this in Rep. Adam Schiff's Twitter feed - he's the head of the House Intelligence Committee.
Adam Schiff on Twitter: "The transcript of the call reads like a classic mob shakedown:
– We do a lot for Ukraine
– There’s not much reciprocity
– I have a favor to ask
– Investigate my opponent
– My people will be in touch
Nice country you got there.
It would be a shame if something happened to her." / Twitter
Someone responded:
JohnRJohnson on Twitter: "@RepAdamSchiff In that so-called "transcript", Zelensky did everything but kiss Trump's ring, flattering Trump and saying he wants to "drain the swamp". Trump's quid pro quo was subtle. "We've been very very good to Ukraine. Now do me this small favor". Vito Corleone leaning on a politician. https://t.co/XGAvDoDFpp" / Twitter
I recall an interview with AOC from last spring where she described Trump as being like a very familiar sort of type in New York City, a certain sort of real-estate dealer -- very sleazy, may or may not have Mob ties -- someone who would hint that something nasty needs to be done to someone, so as to have deniability.
Adam Schiff on Twitter: "The transcript of the call reads like a classic mob shakedown:
– We do a lot for Ukraine
– There’s not much reciprocity
– I have a favor to ask
– Investigate my opponent
– My people will be in touch
Nice country you got there.
It would be a shame if something happened to her." / Twitter
Someone responded:
JohnRJohnson on Twitter: "@RepAdamSchiff In that so-called "transcript", Zelensky did everything but kiss Trump's ring, flattering Trump and saying he wants to "drain the swamp". Trump's quid pro quo was subtle. "We've been very very good to Ukraine. Now do me this small favor". Vito Corleone leaning on a politician. https://t.co/XGAvDoDFpp" / Twitter
I recall an interview with AOC from last spring where she described Trump as being like a very familiar sort of type in New York City, a certain sort of real-estate dealer -- very sleazy, may or may not have Mob ties -- someone who would hint that something nasty needs to be done to someone, so as to have deniability.
I found this in Rep. Adam Schiff's Twitter feed - he's the head of the House Intelligence Committee.
Adam Schiff on Twitter: "The transcript of the call reads like a classic mob shakedown:
– We do a lot for Ukraine
– There’s not much reciprocity
– I have a favor to ask
– Investigate my opponent
– My people will be in touch
Nice country you got there.
It would be a shame if something happened to her." / Twitter
"450 pages of the Mueller report couldn't bring this man down but a transcript of a phone call will definitely get him!!" - Unhinged leftists off their medication
Obama and every other President made calls like these. World leaders doing favors for each other is as common as water in the ocean.
It's another big old nothing burger.
Cheerful Charlie
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I found this in Rep. Adam Schiff's Twitter feed - he's the head of the House Intelligence Committee.
Adam Schiff on Twitter: "The transcript of the call reads like a classic mob shakedown:
– We do a lot for Ukraine
– There’s not much reciprocity
– I have a favor to ask
– Investigate my opponent
– My people will be in touch
Nice country you got there.
It would be a shame if something happened to her." / Twitter
"450 pages of the Mueller report couldn't bring this man down but a transcript of a phone call will definitely get him!!" - Unhinged leftists off their medication
Obama and every other President made calls like these. World leaders doing favors for each other is as common as water in the ocean.
It's another big old nothing burger.
Trump broke the law.
1. Extortion
2. Bribery
3. Demanding help to interfere with an election to destroy a political opponent.
We now have an ongoing investigation to get all the facts. If enough illegality can be established, if the Senate refuses to impeach, despite all the evidence, a grand jury could be convened and this all could move to the legal arena. This is what happened to Spiro Agnew. He was offered a deal he could not refuse. Resign or this could be taken to trial and Spiro could go to prison.
Now, Trump in such a scenario would argue that one cannot indict a sitting president. Or try one in a court of law. Which would put things off wrangling all of this in court until his inevitable defeat. Then Trump loses his bargaining chip, resignation, to stay out of prison.
Agnew was smart enough to grab the deal offered and quit.
Lots of very bad things can still happen to Trump besides mere impeachment. This could get nasty indeed.
I found this in Rep. Adam Schiff's Twitter feed - he's the head of the House Intelligence Committee.
Adam Schiff on Twitter: "The transcript of the call reads like a classic mob shakedown:
– We do a lot for Ukraine
– There’s not much reciprocity
– I have a favor to ask
– Investigate my opponent
– My people will be in touch
Nice country you got there.
It would be a shame if something happened to her." / Twitter
"450 pages of the Mueller report couldn't bring this man down but a transcript of a phone call will definitely get him!!" - Unhinged leftists off their medication
Obama and every other President made calls like these. World leaders doing favors for each other is as common as water in the ocean.
It's another big old nothing burger.
Trump broke the law.
1. Extortion
2. Bribery
3. Demanding help to interfere with an election to destroy a political opponent.
We now have an ongoing investigation to get all the facts. If enough illegality can be established, if the Senate refuses to impeach, despite all the evidence, a grand jury could be convened and this all could move to the legal arena. This is what happened to Spiro Agnew. He was offered a deal he could not refuse. Resign or this could be taken to trial and Spiro could go to prison.
Now, Trump in such a scenario would argue that one cannot indict a sitting president. Or try one in a court of law. Which would put things off wrangling all of this in court until his inevitable defeat. Then Trump loses his bargaining chip, resignation, to stay out of prison.
Agnew was smart enough to grab the deal offered and quit.
Lots of very bad things can still happen to Trump besides mere impeachment. This could get nasty indeed.
To your 3 points, he didn't break any laws. No one can show what these laws are that he broke. The rest of your post doesn't matter without the laws that Trump broke.
Cheerful Charlie
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Yes, Trump did break laws here. MSNBC has had a long parade of constitutionsal lawyers, ex-prosecuters, ex-high ranking members of the Justice department and a veritable parade of lawyers and ex-judges with expertise who have stated with little room for wriggling that indeed these actions constitute illegal acts.
Sorry to pop your little bubble of illusions. Who do I trust here, numerous experts with experience, or you and Sean Insanity? Again, if the Democrats really wanted to play hardball with Trump in face of a GOP controlled Senate that will not act, Spiro Agnew, shows us what could happen. Me, I am going to believe the parade of experts MSNBC has interviewed to clear the air of the FUD spread by Trump and Faux News.