Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Tigers!]

Officer Grayson was discharged from the Army for misconduct.

I would have thought that being discharged from the Army for misconduct would be a kite/red flag/ flashing warning light/siren that this person should not be hired as a plod.

 

[bilby]

Water can still burn even if cooled below boiling.

Water can burn in a fluorine atmosphere, or in the presence of other highly oxidising reagents such as chlorine trifluoride.

Do not try this at home.

Now, you may be wondering what the point of this obviously irrelevant bit of pedantry is. To which I can only say "you started it".

 

[Gospel]

They didn't even need to enter the home. There was absolutely no reason for them to go inside or remain if they felt unwelcome. Both officers should have taken that rebuke in Jesus' name as an invitation to leave. Instead, one of them explicitly admitted he was going to shoot her in the face & closed the gap between them to do precisely that. Then followed up with delaying medical treatment. First-degree murder charges make sense.

There most certainly is a reason to enter if they didn't catch the guy. They need to make sure he's not inside and she's acting under duress.

Well officers neither acted like that was the reason for entering and didn't tell her that was the reason for entering. They didn't even secure the house when they entered. They glanced into one room and didn't even enter the kitchen area or any other room (until after killing her). both officer's seemed comfortable focusing on the car and getting her ID rather than a possible intruder inside the house.

 

[Gospel]

After watching the video in slow motion multiple times, she did throw the pot toward the officers.

Edit: In self defense against someone who just threaten to shoot her in the face.

How do you throw something in self defense against a threat rather than against an action?

WTF are you talking about?

 

[Gospel]

She did. If you watch the video at the slowest speed, after she said she's sorry and dropped to the ground leaving the pot in the sink, you can see her just under the officer's right arm as he was approaching her, grabbing the pot from the sink and tossing it in the officers direction. She was practically on her knees at that moment she released the pot. I believe she did that in a panic because the officer treated her as if she had the pot even in the moments that she didn't. She was scared.

I've watched it a few times at the slowest speed and it's not clear to me what she did and I don't see the pot, maybe it's the resolution on my monitor or something. It's possible I suppose so I'll defer to your judgement as you have taken the time to review. But I still say the cop is a raging psycho with an itchy trigger finger.

At 28:22 (warning disturbing content) in a panic and fearing for her life, she quickly stood up, grabbed the pot, dropped back down and tossed it, which is how the water ended up all over the floor. You might even see some steam, although that could also be from the gunfire; I'm no expert. The officer will likely use this against her, but it was he who escalated the situation with someone who had a mental health issue. She had literally discussed her medication with the officer before they entered, and she's the one that called 911 for help.

 

[Gospel]

She was definitely afraid and in a panic.

That much I will certainly agree with. But people in a panic sometimes do very stupid things.

Yeah, like an officer panicking and escalating from being rebuked in Jesus' name to threatening to shoot someone in the face & immediately drawing his weapon.

 

[Swammerdami]

It was merciful of the brave peace officer to fire a third shot at her head. In many of the incidents we see when U.S. cops encounter a black person, the black victim is left to bleed out -- often while his girlfriend is screaming for ambulance but not allowed to use her cell-phone to call 911 -- but isn't bleeding out a gruesome way to die?

Less understandable is the action of the other cop, who asked for an ambulance. Since they would need to fill out OIS-63 forms whether she lived or died, wouldn't letting her bleed out be most expeditious even without the fatal shot?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Is it possible that the guy was so dumb he didn't know what the word "rebuke" meant? I'm not making excuses because there were many opportunities for a different outcome by both officers and I am just trying to understand his very irrational and bizarre action of threatening her after she spoke calmly of her desire to criticize him. She had a pot of water near the sink because of his actions and she criticized him "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus." There's no other word in that phrase that he might not know the meaning of except rebuke. He then screams, "You better fucking not or I'll shoot you in the fucking face," meaning he interpreted her words, character, and actions in sum as a physical threat....unless you think he misheard her or just wanted to kill her.

At that point the other officer could have calmed him down or even yelled at him to stop. He could of course also regained his senses... or de-escalated the situation he created. He chose to only use his gun when he could have easily dodged his imagined enemy or used other non-lethal means to do whatever to get himself out of the situation he irrationally imaged he was in. "What else could we do?" That's denialism that comes from mental trauma of knowing you fucked up but your brain tries to make excuses. Speaking of the water, "Hey look, it came right to our feet, too." What next, is he going to say something about how she could have attacked him with the oven mitts?

This video should make one wonder how prevalent this kind of shit was before we got a small taste of transparency from required body cam videos. Prior to that, there were always stories about victims, and those who supported the victims were viewed as radical crazy people. But of course there are still many people who continue to make excuses even when they see murder right in front of them...

 

[Gospel]

Despite both the sheriff and the state's attorney finding the officer's actions unjustifiable, some still question the victim's conduct. I wonder why.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Despite both the sheriff and the state's attorney finding the officer's actions unjustifiable, some still question the victim's conduct. I wonder why.

Well, he wasn't wearing any underwear...

 

[TSwizzle]

Despite both the sheriff and the state's attorney finding the officer's actions unjustifiable, some still question the victim's conduct. I wonder why.

Who?

 

[Swammerdami]

Despite both the sheriff and the state's attorney finding the officer's actions unjustifiable, some still question the victim's conduct. I wonder why.

Bitch talked sassy and 'voked the name of the Baby Jesus.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Grayson’s behavior in Logan County led superior to ask, ‘How are you still employed with us?’

By BETH HUNDSDORFER Capitol News Illinois news@capitolnewsillinois.com Before former Sangamon County Sheriff’s deputy Sean Grayson was accused of shooting Sonya Massey after she called police to investigate a prowler, he had a rocky, one-year tenure with the Logan County Sheriff’s Department...

capitolnewsillinois.com

Wow. This is pretty damning. He was a terrible police officer. Why did he even have a job?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

At 28:22 (warning disturbing content) in a panic and fearing for her life, she quickly stood up, grabbed the pot, dropped back down and tossed it, which is how the water ended up all over the floor. You might even see some steam, although that could also be from the gunfire; I'm no expert. The officer will likely use this against her, but it was he who escalated the situation with someone who had a mental health issue. She had literally discussed her medication with the officer before they entered, and she's the one that called 911 for help.

I'm not at all surprised--this is a mental health issue gone very bad. But you're basically admitting she attacked the officer.

Thus this comes down to whether the officer's actions leading up to that point were reasonable.

 

[laughing dog]

At 28:22 (warning disturbing content) in a panic and fearing for her life, she quickly stood up, grabbed the pot, dropped back down and tossed it, which is how the water ended up all over the floor. You might even see some steam, although that could also be from the gunfire; I'm no expert. The officer will likely use this against her, but it was he who escalated the situation with someone who had a mental health issue. She had literally discussed her medication with the officer before they entered, and she's the one that called 911 for help.

I'm not at all surprised--this is a mental health issue gone very bad. But you're basically admitting she attacked the officer.

Thus this comes down to whether the officer's actions leading up to that point were reasonable.

Neither the police - his employer- nor the DA agree. What do they see and know that you don’t?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

At 28:22 (warning disturbing content) in a panic and fearing for her life, she quickly stood up, grabbed the pot, dropped back down and tossed it, which is how the water ended up all over the floor. You might even see some steam, although that could also be from the gunfire; I'm no expert. The officer will likely use this against her, but it was he who escalated the situation with someone who had a mental health issue. She had literally discussed her medication with the officer before they entered, and she's the one that called 911 for help.

I'm not at all surprised--this is a mental health issue gone very bad. But you're basically admitting she attacked the officer.

Thus this comes down to whether the officer's actions leading up to that point were reasonable.

Tossing a pot of water at the floor when you have a gun pointed at your head is not an attack. Neither is dropping to your knees an attack from 20 feet away. It's a panicked response to an unreasonble threat and it's not violent. You can tell the pot of water hit the floor because he complained later that the water almost reached his shoes after having many seconds to spread all over the floor. That is in no way a justified use of deadly force nor even an action to be considered as an attack for a response in the first place.

Besides all that, you can see the other officer drew his gun BECAUSE the first officer drew his. But then the second officer did not shoot because there was no justification for it. It is irrational to shoot a kneeling woman in the head 10-20 feet away who tosses a pot of water at the floor.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Also dismissed from Army due to misconduct?! How did this guy ever get a job? Was he a DEI pick?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/27/us/sean-grayson-misconduct-sonya-massey-death/index.html

Deputy who killed Sonya Massey was removed from the Army, had DUIs and needed ‘high stress decision’ classes, records show

(CNN) Years before sheriff’s deputy Sean Grayson gunned down Sonya Massey in her own home, he had been discharged from the Army for serious misconduct and had a history of driving under the influence, records show.

He also failed to obey a command while working for another sheriff’s office in Illinois and was told he needed “high stress decision making classes,” the agency’s documents reveal.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Also dismissed from Army due to misconduct?! How did this guy ever get a job? Was he a DEI pick?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/27/us/sean-grayson-misconduct-sonya-massey-death/index.html

Deputy who killed Sonya Massey was removed from the Army, had DUIs and needed ‘high stress decision’ classes, records show

(CNN) Years before sheriff’s deputy Sean Grayson gunned down Sonya Massey in her own home, he had been discharged from the Army for serious misconduct and had a history of driving under the influence, records show.

He also failed to obey a command while working for another sheriff’s office in Illinois and was told he needed “high stress decision making classes,” the agency’s documents reveal.

Normal people who do DUI get their licences suspended and are fined, and if repeat offenders in addition go to prison. This man should have been dismissed prior to this and been in prison.

 

[TomC]

I'm not at all surprised--this is a mental health issue gone very bad. But you're basically admitting she attacked the officer.

Thus this comes down to whether the officer's actions leading up to that point were reasonable.

Loren, as a general rule I'm very inclined to give cops the benefit of the doubt. Especially before all the facts are really known and the cop was in a complex and dangerous situation.

But that's not the case here. It's been obvious since before he got hired that he shouldn't have been there at all. I'm also seeing a bunch of responsibility on the higher ups who put him in that position.

Yeah, there's a bunch of heads need to roll. Not just the murderous cop.
Tom

 

[marc]

At 28:22 (warning disturbing content) in a panic and fearing for her life, she quickly stood up, grabbed the pot, dropped back down and tossed it, which is how the water ended up all over the floor. You might even see some steam, although that could also be from the gunfire; I'm no expert. The officer will likely use this against her, but it was he who escalated the situation with someone who had a mental health issue. She had literally discussed her medication with the officer before they entered, and she's the one that called 911 for help.

I'm not at all surprised--this is a mental health issue gone very bad. But you're basically admitting she attacked the officer.

Thus this comes down to whether the officer's actions leading up to that point were reasonable.

If there was a mental health issue I'm tending to think it was the cop with the issue. Again, she did not attack the officer in any way at all. It sounded like she was making some kind of joke, to which the cop pulled a gun on her and threatened her, she put her hands up and got down on her knees, he order her to drop the pot that she was not holding, so she grabs the pot and drops it in order to comply. There was no attack, there was a fucking half-wall between them, he was in no danger. Also, she dropped the pot, so she had no pot in her hands, she had nothing in her hands, she had nothing that posed any kind of threat at all and was on her knees when he shot her!