Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Loren Pechtel]

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/LvDWrIDrQnw[/YOUTUBE]

60% reduction in use of force interactions after body cams started to be used. It's amazing how well even police can change their behavior when they're actually held accountable.

And how many of those are bad guys knowing they can't make a false complaint anymore?

 

[Elixir]

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/LvDWrIDrQnw[/YOUTUBE]

60% reduction in use of force interactions after body cams started to be used. It's amazing how well even police can change their behavior when they're actually held accountable.

And how many of those are bad guys knowing they can't make a false complaint anymore?

By "bad guys", you presumably mean bad cops - since they're the only ones with access to the "off" switch on the body or dash cams...

 

[Gospel]

It started as a noise complaint. It ended in another fatal Phoenix police shooting

Not sure if that one was already posted. Turns out that having too much fun playing crash bandicoot can cost you your life. It was not the gun that got him killed it was the officer that "feared for his life" that got him killed.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It started as a noise complaint. It ended in another fatal Phoenix police shooting

Not sure if that one was already posted. Turns out that having too much fun playing crash bandicoot can cost you your life. It was not the gun that got him killed it was the officer that "feared for his life" that got him killed.

How about some blame for the guy answering the door with a gun in his hand? If the situation is dangerous enough you feel the need for a gun in hand you shouldn't be answering the door in the first place.

 

[Gospel]

It started as a noise complaint. It ended in another fatal Phoenix police shooting

Not sure if that one was already posted. Turns out that having too much fun playing crash bandicoot can cost you your life. It was not the gun that got him killed it was the officer that "feared for his life" that got him killed.

How about some blame for the guy answering the door with a gun in his hand? If the situation is dangerous enough you feel the need for a gun in hand you shouldn't be answering the door in the first place.

Sure. I can understand that. Does that mean its an open and closed case and the police department shouldn't pay out any money to the victim? Because if they are paying money out to the victims family they admitted to being wrong and thus admitting that Ryan Whitaker's death was not justified in any way what's so ever.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It started as a noise complaint. It ended in another fatal Phoenix police shooting

Not sure if that one was already posted. Turns out that having too much fun playing crash bandicoot can cost you your life. It was not the gun that got him killed it was the officer that "feared for his life" that got him killed.

How about some blame for the guy answering the door with a gun in his hand? If the situation is dangerous enough you feel the need for a gun in hand you shouldn't be answering the door in the first place.

Sure. I can understand that. Does that mean its an open and closed case and the police department shouldn't pay out any money to the victim? Because if they are paying money out to the victims family they admitted to being wrong and thus admitting that Ryan Whitaker's death was not justified in any way what's so ever.

To me he made too much of a mistake for a payout to be warranted.

 

[Jarhyn]

It started as a noise complaint. It ended in another fatal Phoenix police shooting

Not sure if that one was already posted. Turns out that having too much fun playing crash bandicoot can cost you your life. It was not the gun that got him killed it was the officer that "feared for his life" that got him killed.

How about some blame for the guy answering the door with a gun in his hand? If the situation is dangerous enough you feel the need for a gun in hand you shouldn't be answering the door in the first place.

That is laughably naive. There's a reason that when I open the front door to someone I don't know and am not expecting, I have my hand around to the side, on the handle of the door sword (or, if it's the back door, the door MACE--not a spray, but a heavy flanged weight on the end of a steel haft).

Sometimes you have to answer the door, and sometimes you want insurance in case some human situation makes it difficult to get the door closed again.

It's 100% reasonable, particularly in a goodly number of less affluent areas.

 

[Gospel]

Sure. I can understand that. Does that mean its an open and closed case and the police department shouldn't pay out any money to the victim? Because if they are paying money out to the victims family they admitted to being wrong and thus admitting that Ryan Whitaker's death was not justified in any way what's so ever.

To me he made too much of a mistake for a payout to be warranted.

I'm glad you're not the Chief of Police.

 

[ZiprHead]

Video shows police hurling 71-year-old man in bathrobe to ground

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) – Frank Serapiglia says he was in his kitchen drinking coffee and reading the news early one morning last September when he heard yelling and noticed several police officers outside his home with guns drawn.

Serapiglia, 71, thought officers must be pursuing a suspect running through his neighborhood. Then he heard banging on his front door.

"Get on the f***ing ground!" an officer yelled, as another officer handcuffed him and kneeled on Serapiglia's back.

"You ********, what the heck are you doing?" Serapiglia said to officers. "Please, I can't breathe ... What the hell did I do?"

After the incident, Louisville Metro Police Officer David Stettler told Sgt. Jerome Passafume that Serapiglia was "non-compliant" and wouldn't step outside."

When Officer William Kline grabbed Serapiglia, "he lost his footing and fell to the ground," Stettler said, according to body camera video.

Kline confirmed that account to the sergeant.

"As Dave said, he wouldn't come out, wouldn't get on the ground," Kline said, according to body cam video. "We pulled him out and he lost his footing and fell."

The body camera video challenges the official police narrative of the events of last September, raising questions that now are part of a lawsuit filed in Jefferson Circuit Court on March 5.

 

[Bomb#20]

You said ... "No one who opposes fascists or questions authority has oppressed the powerless"; I pointed out that it was wrong; and then, based on zero evidence, you somehow deluded yourself into believing that I claimed the people in question are fascists. ...

Were they insisting on submission to their authority? Were they insisting on conformity to their traditions?

Yes, as a matter of fact they were. As you say, it was terrorism. And the whole point of terrorism is to terrify people into submitting to the will of the terrorists and conforming to the demands of their subculture, which held that it was wrong to help the U.S. government make war on North Vietnam.

Call them terrorists, call them extremists, you'd be right. But they're not fascists. again, there is a definition for that word,

I would be right? What the bejesus is wrong with you? I am right. I did call them terrorists. I did NOT call them fascists. Why are you repeatedly insinuating that I called them fascists? Are you deliberately trying to deceive our readers into believing I did?

although nowadays the research on the subject uses the term right wing authoritarians.

No doubt; most likely "the research on the subject" uses that term for the same reason the U.S. government restricts the term "terrorism" to non-state violence: in order to give its own side a pass.

Okay, so you think "oppression" means anyone who commits violence against another is oppressing them, a very loose and general use of the word.

Stop telling other posters what we think -- you aren't any good at it. No, of course I don't think what you say I think. If you shoot someone while he's trying to rape you, you are obviously not oppressing him -- he was oppressing you. This is not rocket science.

But can we now talk about oppression by governments and institutions that oppress people on the level of society?

Okey dokey. You claimed "No one who opposes fascists or questions authority has oppressed the powerless". Will you accept, as a person who opposed fascists and questioned authority, the top government leader in the free world's fight against Fascism, and the man who faced down a Supreme Court that was de facto claiming it had the authority to impose libertarianism on an unwilling nation -- F. D. Roosevelt? He was very much a man who opposed fascists and questioned authority; he also threw 120,000 Japanese-Americans into internment camps.

Pretending police brutality is the same as a tiny radical group with a bomb is muddying the water at best.

Stop pretending I pretended any such thing -- I simply called you out on your obviously incorrect claim.

 

[laughing dog]

This past Saturday, a police officer shot a fleeing unarmed naked man who was being chased by a police dog. The victim is hospitalized for gun shot wounds to the leg and abdomen, and dog bites. He was wanted for kidnapping, sexual assault and assault. No weapon was found. Today that officer was fired. (https://www.startribune.com/in-swift-decisive-and-serious-action-st-paul-police-chief-fires-officer-who-shot-wounded-man/573249531/?refresh=true)

 

[Jarhyn]

This past Saturday, a police officer shot a fleeing unarmed naked man who was being chased by a police dog. The victim is hospitalized for gun shot wounds to the leg and abdomen, and dog bites. He was wanted for kidnapping, sexual assault and assault. No weapon was found. Today that officer was fired. (https://www.startribune.com/in-swift-decisive-and-serious-action-st-paul-police-chief-fires-officer-who-shot-wounded-man/573249531/?refresh=true)

Holy shit, seriously?

He shot a NAKED man, fleeing not just from the cop but a police dog? Oh hey, that's HERE, where we live!

But at least this is progress... He got fired for it.

 

[southernhybrid]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/29/these-brutal-police-dog-attacks-were-captured-video-now-some-cities-are-curtailing-k-9-use/?arc404=true

Speaking of police brutality and the misuse of police dogs, I've been meaning to post the above article.

A half-mile from the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Ala., where police once beat civil rights protesters, Selma police pulled over an unarmed 36-year-old Black man in 2018 for a series of traffic violations that began with him rolling his white Jaguar through a stop sign.

Ronald Fitts got out of the car, arms raised, eyewitnesses said, but was quickly knocked to the ground and swarmed by three White officers as a fourth White officer led a lurching police dog to his body and ordered an attack. A Black officer arrived at that moment, yelling obscenities as he demanded that the dog be pulled away. Instead, he watched Fitts scream and writhe on the ground as the dog sunk his teeth deep into his leg.

“Get the dog back! Get the godd--- dog back!” Selma Police Officer Robert Tyus shouted, as the other officers ignored his pleas and the German shepherd continued to bite and shake Fitts’s left leg for nearly 30 seconds.

The incident is one of at least 37 video-recorded K-9 attacks that have surfaced over the past three years across the country, many showing people under attack even though they are unarmed, have surrendered to police, are already handcuffed or are innocent bystanders, a Washington Post analysis shows.

The image of police dogs started to shift several months ago in Salt Lake City. Video showed Jeffery Ryans, a 36-year-old Black man who was about to leave for his job as a train engineer, putting his hands in the air and kneeling on the ground in his backyard as he told officers he was surrendering. A German shepherd was unleashed on him anyway, chomping down on his left leg, causing injuries that required multiple surgeries in an attempt to repair nerve, muscle and tendon damage

In at least half of the 18 cases, the victim was Black. Virtually all of the K-9 handlers — at least 16 of the 18 — were White.

In four cases, the people were in handcuffs when the K-9 attacked them. Another four were accidental bites of innocent bystanders who were walking their dog, sleeping in a tent or strolling down the sidewalk.

One of the innocent bystanders was 39-year-old Raymond Roberts, who is White, and was sleeping outside in a tent in Albuquerque when a police dog in pursuit of a suspect in an attempted homicide bit him instead. The attack took place in 2016 and the video became public in 2018. Roberts suffered multiple bites and tears to his left shoulder and arm that required several surgeries that did not fully restore the use, mobility or strength in his arm, medical records show. The city settled with Roberts last year for $390,000.

There are many other examples of how these dogs were used to brutally attack people who were unarmed and non threatening. Disgusting!

 

[blastula]

ADAB

 

[Jarhyn]

ADAB

When they are trained to be assholes yeah. I'm sensing a theme here, with regards to training...

 

[Derec]

This past Saturday, a police officer shot a fleeing unarmed naked man who was being chased by a police dog. The victim is hospitalized for gun shot wounds to the leg and abdomen, and dog bites. He was wanted for kidnapping, sexual assault and assault. No weapon was found. Today that officer was fired. (https://www.startribune.com/in-swift-decisive-and-serious-action-st-paul-police-chief-fires-officer-who-shot-wounded-man/573249531/?refresh=true)

Doesn't add up. If he was running away, how was he shot in the abdomen?

Also, just because he was unarmed doesn't mean he wasn't a threat. An unarmed person can physically attack an officer and take control of their gun. It has happened before. I hope the cop sues the department for their job back.

 

[ZiprHead]

This past Saturday, a police officer shot a fleeing unarmed naked man who was being chased by a police dog. The victim is hospitalized for gun shot wounds to the leg and abdomen, and dog bites. He was wanted for kidnapping, sexual assault and assault. No weapon was found. Today that officer was fired. (https://www.startribune.com/in-swift-decisive-and-serious-action-st-paul-police-chief-fires-officer-who-shot-wounded-man/573249531/?refresh=true)

Doesn't add up. If he was running away, how was he shot in the abdomen?

Bullet enters the abdomen from the back. What's so hard to figure out about that?

 

[Derec]

Bullet enters the abdomen from the back. What's so hard to figure out about that?

That would be classified as a wound to the back with possibly an exit wound through the abdomen. It would not be reported as "wounds to the ... abdomen".
I stand by what I said. If the reporting is accurate, the perp was facing the cop and thus wasn't fleeing and was potentially a threat. Unarmed perps have managed to wrestle police officers' guns before, which means that unarmed != not a threat. Summary firing was thus not warranted.

 

[laughing dog]

This past Saturday, a police officer shot a fleeing unarmed naked man who was being chased by a police dog. The victim is hospitalized for gun shot wounds to the leg and abdomen, and dog bites. He was wanted for kidnapping, sexual assault and assault. No weapon was found. Today that officer was fired. (https://www.startribune.com/in-swift-decisive-and-serious-action-st-paul-police-chief-fires-officer-who-shot-wounded-man/573249531/?refresh=true)

Doesn't add up. If he was running away, how was he shot in the abdomen?

I suggest you find out the hospital where he is treated and ask them. Or are you claiming the article is misinformed? Read the linked article.

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Also, just because he was unarmed doesn't mean he wasn't a threat. An unarmed person can physically attack an officer and take control of their gun. It has happened before. I hope the cop sues the department for their job back.

He was running AWAY from the police. He was unarmed. He was naked. No weapon was found anywhere. Before he tried to flee, a police officer had talked him out of his hiding place. There is body cam footage and eye witness accounts from other police.

But hey, some naked unarmed fleeing black man MUST have been a threat to some police officer. There really can be no other explanation.

 

[marc]

Wait... if an unarmed man is still a threat then why do we need to arm the police? If someone threatened a cop with a gun, then the cop can just attack the guy and take their gun. The cop is supposed to be better trained after all.