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Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

Jarhyn said:
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Gospel said:
It started as a noise complaint. It ended in another fatal Phoenix police shooting

Not sure if that one was already posted. Turns out that having too much fun playing crash bandicoot can cost you your life. It was not the gun that got him killed it was the officer that "feared for his life" that got him killed.
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How about some blame for the guy answering the door with a gun in his hand? If the situation is dangerous enough you feel the need for a gun in hand you shouldn't be answering the door in the first place.
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That is laughably naive. There's a reason that when I open the front door to someone I don't know and am not expecting, I have my hand around to the side, on the handle of the door sword (or, if it's the back door, the door MACE--not a spray, but a heavy flanged weight on the end of a steel haft).

Sometimes you have to answer the door, and sometimes you want insurance in case some human situation makes it difficult to get the door closed again.

It's 100% reasonable, particularly in a goodly number of less affluent areas.
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It's called a peephole. Look first!
 
As for the guy shot in the abdomen:

1) If it was a bullet that passed through from the back I certainly would describe it as being shot in the lower back.

2) I see an easy way this sort of thing can happen--the guy is running away, then turns around. This is an attack move. Either the cop couldn't see his hands were empty, or he had something in one that wasn't a weapon.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
As for the guy shot in the abdomen:

1) If it was a bullet that passed through from the back I certainly would describe it as being shot in the lower back.

2) I see an easy way this sort of thing can happen--the guy is running away, then turns around. This is an attack move. Either the cop couldn't see his hands were empty, or he had something in one that wasn't a weapon.
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FFS, at least you could read the linked article before engaging in these contortions to defend the police. The victim was being bitten by a police dog at the time and no other police officer fired. He was unarmed. He had nothing in his hands and nothing was found at the scene.
 
lpetrich said:
amaal Bowman on Twitter: "Damn, Mr. President.
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Yet another abolish-the-police idiot!

Didn’t you say “Trayvon could’ve been my son?”
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And he was rightly ridiculed for that.

In 2014, #BlackLivesMatter was too much.
In 2016, Kaepernick was too much.
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#BLM is an extremist, anti-police movement founded by "trained Marxists".
Kaep is an extremist who believes police and prisons should be abolished and cop-killers freed.
Maybe Kaep should run for Congress instead of seeking to quarterback. He'd fit in well with the Squad!

Today, discussing police budgets is too much.J
The problem is America's comfort with Black death -- not discomfort with slogans." / Twitter[/url]
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Black people are not the only ones getting shot by police - in fact they are a minority of all police shootings. But almost all police shootings that lead to riots are of black people.
Also, vast majority of police shootings are completely justified.


Ayanna Pressley on Twitter: "The murders of generations of unarmed Black folks by police have been horrific.
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That's quite hyperbolic, but par for the course for the Squad.
Generations? Murdered? Police shootings are too few to be described as killing entire generations - gang violence is would be far more fitting in that description, but even that would be hyperbolic.
And vast majority of police shootings are justified, not murders, and most involve armed thugs.
#BLM likes to use "unarmed" in their slogans but the reality is that there are too few of those for their lust to riot and destroy so they riot over shootings of armed perps such as Keith Lamont Scott or Patrick Kimmons or Alvin Cole or Kenneth Jones or Deon Kay. Main thing they are black - that's all what #BLM cares about, the color of someone's skin!

Lives are at stake daily so I’m out of patience with critiques of the language of activists.
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The truth is that lives are not at stake daily. A random black person's risk of getting shot by police is very low, much lower than the risk of being shot by a black civilian, and that risk becomes infinitesimal for people who do not attack police or resist arrest.

Whatever a grieving family says is their truth.
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Bullshit. Things are or they are not. There is not my truth and your truth.

And I’ll never stop fighting for their justice & healing."
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To never stop doing something one must first start. She has not yet.
 
Federal judge holds SPD in contempt for use of pepper spray, blast balls during Black Lives Matter protests this fall

A federal judge has found the Seattle Police Department in contempt of court for the indiscriminate use of pepper-filled “blast balls” and pepper spray during Black Lives Matter protests this fall, but also cited instances where police were justified in using force against demonstrators.

U.S. District Judge Richard Jones issued a 27-page order Monday in response to a motion by BLM Seattle-King County to find the police department in contempt of his earlier injunction preventing police from using force against peaceful protesters. Jones found a total of four “clear violations” of his order: one involving the use of pepper spray and the other three involving blast balls, a grenade-like device that explodes and spews pepper gas. It’s a weapon the judge says raises serious concerns for the court.

“Of the less lethal weapons, the Court is most concerned about SPD’s use of blast balls, the most indiscriminate of the four” crowd-control weapons whose use he examined. “SPD has often hurled blast balls into crowds of protestors” when no immediate threat to the officers’ safety or public property could be identified, the judge found.
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Unrelated post split to its own thread. “ being unarmed does not necessarily mean that he was harmless ” also in political forum.
 
ZiprHead said:
Federal judge holds SPD in contempt for use of pepper spray, blast balls during Black Lives Matter protests this fall

A federal judge has found the Seattle Police Department in contempt of court for the indiscriminate use of pepper-filled “blast balls” and pepper spray during Black Lives Matter protests this fall, but also cited instances where police were justified in using force against demonstrators.

U.S. District Judge Richard Jones issued a 27-page order Monday in response to a motion by BLM Seattle-King County to find the police department in contempt of his earlier injunction preventing police from using force against peaceful protesters. Jones found a total of four “clear violations” of his order: one involving the use of pepper spray and the other three involving blast balls, a grenade-like device that explodes and spews pepper gas. It’s a weapon the judge says raises serious concerns for the court.

“Of the less lethal weapons, the Court is most concerned about SPD’s use of blast balls, the most indiscriminate of the four” crowd-control weapons whose use he examined. “SPD has often hurled blast balls into crowds of protestors” when no immediate threat to the officers’ safety or public property could be identified, the judge found.
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And what is he actually going to do about it, though?
 
Loren Pechtel said:
ZiprHead said:
Federal judge holds SPD in contempt for use of pepper spray, blast balls during Black Lives Matter protests this fall

A federal judge has found the Seattle Police Department in contempt of court for the indiscriminate use of pepper-filled “blast balls” and pepper spray during Black Lives Matter protests this fall, but also cited instances where police were justified in using force against demonstrators.

U.S. District Judge Richard Jones issued a 27-page order Monday in response to a motion by BLM Seattle-King County to find the police department in contempt of his earlier injunction preventing police from using force against peaceful protesters. Jones found a total of four “clear violations” of his order: one involving the use of pepper spray and the other three involving blast balls, a grenade-like device that explodes and spews pepper gas. It’s a weapon the judge says raises serious concerns for the court.

“Of the less lethal weapons, the Court is most concerned about SPD’s use of blast balls, the most indiscriminate of the four” crowd-control weapons whose use he examined. “SPD has often hurled blast balls into crowds of protestors” when no immediate threat to the officers’ safety or public property could be identified, the judge found.
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And what is he actually going to do about it, though?
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Do about what?
 
ZiprHead said:
Loren Pechtel said:
And what is he actually going to do about it, though?
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Do about what?
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I'm also unclear, but I think he means, what is going to be the actual end effect of this decision against SPD? Will heads roll? Will someone get fired? Or will there be another paid vacation and wet noodle lashing?
 
And another case where cops might have been justified in opening fire, but didn't. In trying to arrest a bar owner he tried to drive off with a cop clinging to the hood of his car. Since they were trying to arrest him for opening his bar during a covid lockdown, of course FOX is defending him. Wonder what FOX would have done if it was a black bar owner defying shutdown orders?
 
marc said:
And another case where cops might have been justified in opening fire, but didn't. In trying to arrest a bar owner he tried to drive off with a cop clinging to the hood of his car. Since they were trying to arrest him for opening his bar during a covid lockdown, of course FOX is defending him. Wonder what FOX would have done if it was a black bar owner defying shutdown orders?
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Probably nothing since he'd likely be dead.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Jarhyn said:
I'm also unclear, but I think he means, what is going to be the actual end effect of this decision against SPD? Will heads roll? Will someone get fired? Or will there be another paid vacation and wet noodle lashing?
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Exactly. What will be done to actually prevent future misdeeds?
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If you had bothered to read the entire linked article you'd had seen
Jones asked lawyers for BLM to submit a motion for proposed sanctions by the end of next week.
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. The article is dated December 7. So no decision on sanctions has occurred at this writing.
 
Grandma ends up bruised in Santa Rita Jail after calling 911 for help

Jolynn McCabe has battled alcoholism for 16 years. And when the Fremont grandmother recently relapsed, she realized she needed help. So, she asked her husband to call 911, hoping paramedics would get her detoxed and take her to a rehabilitation facility.

But what started as a crisis call on Sept. 13, quickly escalated into a violent confrontation with law enforcement. Officers put McCabe, who is 56 years old and weighs 115 pounds, in a full-body restraint before taking her to Santa Rita Jail in Dublin. At the jail, a run-in with deputies left her almost unrecognizable with purple bruises on her face.

Police said McCabe was under suspicion of being drunk in public. She was never charged.

“I wanted help,” McCabe said in a recent interview with KTVU. “We called for help. This was not the kind of help we wanted.”
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Why did police have to come anyway? Why did she have to get arrested and thrown in jail? Could her injuries have been avoided if society dealt with drug addiction and mental health crises in a different way?

“Why am I in the back of a cop car when I called for help?” she remembers thinking.
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Elixir said:
[idiotic, racist meme]

Just sayin' ...
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Just sayin' what exactly? Anybody can cherry pick cases like that. There are thousand of people killed by police every year and about half of them are white. And there have been many black murderers who have been apprehended without injury to them.

Also, just because somebody is black and had been killed by police does not make it murder. Michael Brown, the OG of #BLM "heroes", attacked a police officer after having robbed a store - justified shooting. George Floyd died because he put a lethal amount of fentanyl into his body - Chauvin should not have held him like that for minutes on end, but Floyd would have been fine had he not overdosed.
 
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