Jarhyn
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Maybe his girlfriend is just from Canada.Why did you post an AI image?
Maybe his girlfriend is just from Canada.Why did you post an AI image?
I heard they met at summer camp.Maybe his girlfriend is just from Canada.Why did you post an AI image?
Except the rapists, paedophiles are already in other people's homes. And they are getting encouragement online.Earlier in the thread you will talking to theBeave about AI images and ethics.What do you think is the harm?I really wonder if all those people who 50-60 years ago pushed for the liberalisation of porn laws saying it does no harm to anyone else, how could it hurt others etc. ever look back and realise how stupid they were?
The desensitisation that occurs amongst those who view porn i.e. what was acceptable a few years ago is not longer enough.
The fact that is just gets worse and worse i.e. child porn, strangulation scenes etc.
Gives too many men an unrealistic view on sex, performance and consent etc. Dealing with the real messy world does not meet the world of porn.
Bandwidth wasted
Makes a few very depraved individuals very rich.
Stay out of peoples' bedrooms.
Lots of those in Churches.Except the rapists, paedophiles are already in other people's homes. And they are getting encouragement online.Earlier in the thread you will talking to theBeave about AI images and ethics.What do you think is the harm?I really wonder if all those people who 50-60 years ago pushed for the liberalisation of porn laws saying it does no harm to anyone else, how could it hurt others etc. ever look back and realise how stupid they were?
The desensitisation that occurs amongst those who view porn i.e. what was acceptable a few years ago is not longer enough.
The fact that is just gets worse and worse i.e. child porn, strangulation scenes etc.
Gives too many men an unrealistic view on sex, performance and consent etc. Dealing with the real messy world does not meet the world of porn.
Bandwidth wasted
Makes a few very depraved individuals very rich.
Stay out of peoples' bedrooms.
Who is more naive or vulnerable than tweens or teens? I’m sure it happens to boys as well but lots of young girls—you’d be surprised and horrified to know how young—are convinced by some boy or another to send them pix that they would not want their parents to know about. And of course the photos get shared around school, making life hell for the unfortunate girl ( or maybe boy). And of course much, much worse if the ‘boy’ wasn’t someone they knew but some rando who likes kiddie porn.I'm not talking about the effect it would have on kids. It would certainly keep the younger ones off. I'm talking about what it would do to adults. Look at what we have been seeing--AGs in abortion-ban states attempting to get information on women who went out of state to get an abortion.If they could, they already would.And you think they won't track you back through that?
Look at the NPD data breach. Information is valuable, people will collect it. And it's nowhere near as secure as it should be.
The fact is, if I did something truly illegal, it would take more time and care to remain uncaught than I am willing to expend. This isn't the reason I don't do illegal shit, but it's a damn good reason.
Kids don't have anywhere near the sophistication to learn all that before they sneak onto their parents computer to get on Roblox with some random pedo.
You're naive.They won't track you back through that any more than they already are. The real effect is that it gives a mandate to parents: treat the computer like the liquor cabinet.
Warrant? Why would a VPN provider who was based outside the US pay any attention to a US warrant? And what could they do, anyway? Any VPN provider who takes security seriously only tracks customer access to the system, not where the communications go once they have gotten past the gate. The only thing they can possibly track is ongoing access. (Tell us the customer who is currently accessing server XYZ)Things have gotten "better" in terms of privacy with SDNS and HTTPS becoming more standard... But if you do something illegal today, wherever you do it (assuming you don't use proxies or a VPN, which still links back to your name/cc info and who will still release info with a warrant), your identity can and will be turned over to LEO.
If your access to the internet is authenticated then they can trace it. What are you going to do when they come for you? Project 2025 considers you worthy of the death penalty.My thought is just that there should be mandatory reporting up that same chain that results in restrictions on internet access, because children don't belong on the internet.
I'm not talking monitoring porn sites, or requiring something new to access porn.
Why do you think they would be a pedo or a groomer? Sounds like they just had fun with the blackmail aspect.Hell, I've told this story here, I think, but here goes again: some time in my mid-early 30's, I was on Twitter, and one day someone starts chatting me up about some of my kink related interests, and I figured out pretty quick it was a minor from their apparent maturity and looking at their profile, and I NOPED the fuck away from them. Then a few years later, I ran into that same person, now in their 20's, at a party. They were talking (bragging?) about how they spent their entire teen years trolling for and blackmailing pedos. They didn't even know I was there or that I was someone they tried to pick up (yuck!). I just recognized the name they dropped to someone else they were talking to. I collected my husband and we left the party ASAP.
I seriously worry that person is going to become a child predator some day, or a groomer, if they aren't already.
I warn my friends whenever I become aware of there being 3 or fewer degrees of separation.
I love the internet, but I am SO glad that I didn't have unsupervised access to it before I was 16, and I really think we should cover such topics in modern H&HD classes.
I don’t know that there would be no harm IRL. That is just assuming that the ‘child’ is an AI altered image of a consenting but very young looking adult, the AI making them look even younger.Yeah, scientific tests would be in order for sure before embarking on something like that. If the child porn given during the tests is AI, the child does not exist in real life. So, no harm in that respect regarding ethics. I assume the test subject (a volunteer) would be OK with it.I'd have to think about that. I'd like to see a scientific test of that but I don't see how it could be done in an ethical manner.Saying this is admittedly skeevy and creepy and will probably get me crucifed here, but now that AI generated images and videos have gotten pretty darn realistic (and will only get better) maybe we ought to consider allowing AI generated child porn to those with such tendencies. No real kids would be involved in the images, and if the pedophiles can get their sexual gratification from these images and not real life photos (or kids themselves!) then society is better off, no?
My guess is some pedos already are doing it.
Are AI generated child porn images illegal?
I think the big problem is much of the public couldn't get past the disturbing nature of it, and would ignore the (possible) greater good.
Good question about the AI images being illegal. We are in some untested waters here I think.
About scientific research about child porn and the ethics doing that research. Strange you didn't mention that part.Earlier in the thread you will talking to theBeave about AI images and ethics.What do you think is the harm?I really wonder if all those people who 50-60 years ago pushed for the liberalisation of porn laws saying it does no harm to anyone else, how could it hurt others etc. ever look back and realise how stupid they were?
Too many? Is there an ideal number less than too many? Do you not know or understand how women and children were treated in the past???The desensitisation that occurs amongst those who view porn i.e. what was acceptable a few years ago is not longer enough.
The fact that is just gets worse and worse i.e. child porn, strangulation scenes etc.
Gives too many men an unrealistic view on sex, performance and consent etc.
Dealing with the real messy world does not meet the world of porn.
Bandwidth wasted
Makes a few very depraved individuals very rich.
As was pointed out earlier how does one construct a control group i.e real children who somehow will not be hurt or affected? I didn't mentioned it as I assumed you would remember that it had been mentioned.About scientific research about child porn and the ethics doing that research. Strange you didn't mention that part.Earlier in the thread you will talking to theBeave about AI images and ethics.What do you think is the harm?I really wonder if all those people who 50-60 years ago pushed for the liberalisation of porn laws saying it does no harm to anyone else, how could it hurt others etc. ever look back and realise how stupid they were?
I do know and understand how women and children were treated in the past. That is why I want it to stop. Freely allowing porn and more types of it will not be the way to stop such treatment of women and children.Too many? Is there an ideal number less than too many? Do you not know or understand how women and children were treated in the past???The desensitisation that occurs amongst those who view porn i.e. what was acceptable a few years ago is not longer enough.
The fact that is just gets worse and worse i.e. child porn, strangulation scenes etc.
Gives too many men an unrealistic view on sex, performance and consent etc.
Sadly yes they are.Lots of those in Churches.Except the rapists, paedophiles are already in other people's homes. And they are getting encouragement online.Earlier in the thread you will talking to theBeave about AI images and ethics.What do you think is the harm?I really wonder if all those people who 50-60 years ago pushed for the liberalisation of porn laws saying it does no harm to anyone else, how could it hurt others etc. ever look back and realise how stupid they were?
The desensitisation that occurs amongst those who view porn i.e. what was acceptable a few years ago is not longer enough.
The fact that is just gets worse and worse i.e. child porn, strangulation scenes etc.
Gives too many men an unrealistic view on sex, performance and consent etc. Dealing with the real messy world does not meet the world of porn.
Bandwidth wasted
Makes a few very depraved individuals very rich.
Stay out of peoples' bedrooms.
Of course I remembered it because I'm the one that said it. But you leaving out the scientific angle changed the context.As was pointed out earlier how does one construct a control group i.e real children who somehow will not be hurt or affected? I didn't mentioned it as I assumed you would remember that it had been mentioned.About scientific research about child porn and the ethics doing that research. Strange you didn't mention that part.Earlier in the thread you will talking to theBeave about AI images and ethics.What do you think is the harm?I really wonder if all those people who 50-60 years ago pushed for the liberalisation of porn laws saying it does no harm to anyone else, how could it hurt others etc. ever look back and realise how stupid they were?
How do you know this?I do know and understand how women and children were treated in the past. That is why I want it to stop. Freely allowing porn and more types of it will not be the way to stop such treatment of women and children.Too many? Is there an ideal number less than too many? Do you not know or understand how women and children were treated in the past???The desensitisation that occurs amongst those who view porn i.e. what was acceptable a few years ago is not longer enough.
The fact that is just gets worse and worse i.e. child porn, strangulation scenes etc.
Gives too many men an unrealistic view on sex, performance and consent etc.
Because criminalizing it has worked so well in the past.How do you know this?I do know and understand how women and children were treated in the past. That is why I want it to stop. Freely allowing porn and more types of it will not be the way to stop such treatment of women and children.
Of course I remembered it because I'm the one that said it. But you leaving out the scientific angle changed the context.As was pointed out earlier how does one construct a control group i.e real children who somehow will not be hurt or affected? I didn't mentioned it as I assumed you would remember that it had been mentioned.About scientific research about child porn and the ethics doing that research. Strange you didn't mention that part.Earlier in the thread you will talking to theBeave about AI images and ethics.What do you think is the harm?I really wonder if all those people who 50-60 years ago pushed for the liberalisation of porn laws saying it does no harm to anyone else, how could it hurt others etc. ever look back and realise how stupid they were?
How do you know this?I do know and understand how women and children were treated in the past. That is why I want it to stop. Freely allowing porn and more types of it will not be the way to stop such treatment of women and children.Too many? Is there an ideal number less than too many? Do you not know or understand how women and children were treated in the past???The desensitisation that occurs amongst those who view porn i.e. what was acceptable a few years ago is not longer enough.
The fact that is just gets worse and worse i.e. child porn, strangulation scenes etc.
Gives too many men an unrealistic view on sex, performance and consent etc.
What exactly is the "this" that I know?Of course I remembered it because I'm the one that said it. But you leaving out the scientific angle changed the context.As was pointed out earlier how does one construct a control group i.e real children who somehow will not be hurt or affected? I didn't mentioned it as I assumed you would remember that it had been mentioned.About scientific research about child porn and the ethics doing that research. Strange you didn't mention that part.Earlier in the thread you will talking to theBeave about AI images and ethics.What do you think is the harm?I really wonder if all those people who 50-60 years ago pushed for the liberalisation of porn laws saying it does no harm to anyone else, how could it hurt others etc. ever look back and realise how stupid they were?
How do you know this?I do know and understand how women and children were treated in the past. That is why I want it to stop. Freely allowing porn and more types of it will not be the way to stop such treatment of women and children.Too many? Is there an ideal number less than too many? Do you not know or understand how women and children were treated in the past???The desensitisation that occurs amongst those who view porn i.e. what was acceptable a few years ago is not longer enough.
The fact that is just gets worse and worse i.e. child porn, strangulation scenes etc.
Gives too many men an unrealistic view on sex, performance and consent etc.
"Freely allowing porn and more types of it will not be the way to stop such treatment of women and children."What exactly is the "this" that I know?
You have to admit that “disallowing” (criminalizing) porn has been super effective in the past."Freely allowing porn and more types of it will not be the way to stop such treatment of women and children."
Hey, it worked with alcohol.You have to admit that “disallowing” (criminalizing) porn has been super effective in the past."Freely allowing porn and more types of it will not be the way to stop such treatment of women and children."
Oh wait - no it hasn’t.
Yeah, you wouldn't know her.I heard they met at summer camp.Maybe his girlfriend is just from Canada.Why did you post an AI image?
So you know, all the online communities I know that host artistically sourced [dubious pornographic material] actively monitor their sites to prevent them from being used to support or network between child predators and other pedophiles.Except the rapists, paedophiles are already in other people's homes. And they are getting encouragement online.Earlier in the thread you will talking to theBeave about AI images and ethics.What do you think is the harm?I really wonder if all those people who 50-60 years ago pushed for the liberalisation of porn laws saying it does no harm to anyone else, how could it hurt others etc. ever look back and realise how stupid they were?
The desensitisation that occurs amongst those who view porn i.e. what was acceptable a few years ago is not longer enough.
The fact that is just gets worse and worse i.e. child porn, strangulation scenes etc.
Gives too many men an unrealistic view on sex, performance and consent etc. Dealing with the real messy world does not meet the world of porn.
Bandwidth wasted
Makes a few very depraved individuals very rich.
Stay out of peoples' bedrooms.
Yeah, like... people on the internet be expected to be over a certain age and warned about exactly that explicitly in a classroom like Driver's Education before we say as a society "ok, internet time". Everyone should have their own ISP account, and they should be expected to keep it secure from kids.Who is more naive or vulnerable than tweens or teens? I’m sure it happens to boys as well but lots of young girls—you’d be surprised and horrified to know how young—are convinced by some boy or another to send them pix that they would not want their parents to know about. And of course the photos get shared around school, making life hell for the unfortunate girl ( or maybe boy). And of course much, much worse if the ‘boy’ wasn’t someone they knew but some rando who likes kiddie porn.I'm not talking about the effect it would have on kids. It would certainly keep the younger ones off. I'm talking about what it would do to adults. Look at what we have been seeing--AGs in abortion-ban states attempting to get information on women who went out of state to get an abortion.If they could, they already would.And you think they won't track you back through that?
Look at the NPD data breach. Information is valuable, people will collect it. And it's nowhere near as secure as it should be.
The fact is, if I did something truly illegal, it would take more time and care to remain uncaught than I am willing to expend. This isn't the reason I don't do illegal shit, but it's a damn good reason.
Kids don't have anywhere near the sophistication to learn all that before they sneak onto their parents computer to get on Roblox with some random pedo.
You're naive.They won't track you back through that any more than they already are. The real effect is that it gives a mandate to parents: treat the computer like the liquor cabinet.
Warrant? Why would a VPN provider who was based outside the US pay any attention to a US warrant? And what could they do, anyway? Any VPN provider who takes security seriously only tracks customer access to the system, not where the communications go once they have gotten past the gate. The only thing they can possibly track is ongoing access. (Tell us the customer who is currently accessing server XYZ)Things have gotten "better" in terms of privacy with SDNS and HTTPS becoming more standard... But if you do something illegal today, wherever you do it (assuming you don't use proxies or a VPN, which still links back to your name/cc info and who will still release info with a warrant), your identity can and will be turned over to LEO.
If your access to the internet is authenticated then they can trace it. What are you going to do when they come for you? Project 2025 considers you worthy of the death penalty.My thought is just that there should be mandatory reporting up that same chain that results in restrictions on internet access, because children don't belong on the internet.
I'm not talking monitoring porn sites, or requiring something new to access porn.
Why do you think they would be a pedo or a groomer? Sounds like they just had fun with the blackmail aspect.Hell, I've told this story here, I think, but here goes again: some time in my mid-early 30's, I was on Twitter, and one day someone starts chatting me up about some of my kink related interests, and I figured out pretty quick it was a minor from their apparent maturity and looking at their profile, and I NOPED the fuck away from them. Then a few years later, I ran into that same person, now in their 20's, at a party. They were talking (bragging?) about how they spent their entire teen years trolling for and blackmailing pedos. They didn't even know I was there or that I was someone they tried to pick up (yuck!). I just recognized the name they dropped to someone else they were talking to. I collected my husband and we left the party ASAP.
I seriously worry that person is going to become a child predator some day, or a groomer, if they aren't already.
I warn my friends whenever I become aware of there being 3 or fewer degrees of separation.
I love the internet, but I am SO glad that I didn't have unsupervised access to it before I was 16, and I really think we should cover such topics in modern H&HD classes.