RussiaGate

[Opoponax]

In reading over conservative boards, the response there is not "Oh no, he got caught lying again." Rather, it's "Hahahaha! He made the libtards chase their tails and is driving them crazy! Greatest POTUS ever!"

We're so fucked.

You're only fucked in the Democrats continue on the course of blaming everyone but themselves for everything that befalls them.
The Democrats should sack their leadership and connect with the people they should be representing.

I think you fail to grasp the magnitude of where America's version of "conservatism" has taken a huge portion of its voting population.

A good example: in Wisconsin, less than 50% of the voters are conservatives, yet conservatives have a 60%+ majority in their state house. This has become commonplace.

The intellectual level of conservatism is well, to use the word "intellectual" in this context is something of a misuse of that word. The right in the U.S. is a toxic cauldron of anti-science, pro-religion, anti-knowledge, non-facts, racism and nationalism that is being exercised in notably more blatant manifestations almost daily. There is a feeling of destruction for the sake of destruction by a significant portion of the conservative movement.

The point is that these people are beyond reason. They're cheering for things that are so obviously, provably bad for them and their families, but they don't care because they have some nebulous notion that it's going to hurt minorities, college students, gay people, and their other perceived enemies. That's what's driving policy in the United States right now. Spite, scapegoating, and vengeance for what's been done to them by the aforementioned. It's irrational, not based in fact, but is driven home to them by the narrative of a.m. radio conservative pundits and Fox News.

To say that the Democrats can control this ignores the reality of the situation. When someone tells you that you never have to worry about going bankrupt over medical bills or that you will always be able to seek treatment for any illness that might afflict your child, the rational response is to accept that offer. Instead, these people reject that because of some ill-defined concept they have of socialism.

The infestation that began with Reagan has flourished like a termite colony beneath a house. And the house is now buckling under the rot of it.

 

[blastula]

Unfortunately, the ignore function is not useful against spammers.

Works for me.

And when it doesn't, it's because I'm weak.

What I mean is that someone on ignore still bumps a thread, which is a problem when it's a prolific poster.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Works for me.

And when it doesn't, it's because I'm weak.

What I mean is that someone on ignore still bumps a thread, which is a problem when it's a prolific poster.

True, but not as large a problem if the poster is not on ignore.

 

[Elixir]

At what point has Clinton been involved in the investigation?

At point where she hired main hacking investigator.

HILLARY hired Mueller? Get your facts straight, dude. You complain about "false stories about Russia" and YOU are the main source of them.
The goddam TRUTH is that Cheato appointed Rosenstein, and HE appointed Mueller. Lying doesn't serve to exonerate your murderous regime.

 

[barbos]

At point where she hired main hacking investigator.

HILLARY hired Mueller? Get your facts straight, dude. You complain about "false stories about Russia" and YOU are the main source of them.
The goddam TRUTH is that Cheato appointed Rosenstein, and HE appointed Mueller. Lying doesn't serve to exonerate your murderous regime.

Mueller is not a hacking investigator (CrowdStrike is), Funny you mentioned lying, cause said hacking investigator is a liar.

 

[braces_for_impact]

HILLARY hired Mueller? Get your facts straight, dude. You complain about "false stories about Russia" and YOU are the main source of them.
The goddam TRUTH is that Cheato appointed Rosenstein, and HE appointed Mueller. Lying doesn't serve to exonerate your murderous regime.

Mueller is not a hacking investigator (CrowdStrike is), Funny you mentioned lying, cause said hacking investigator is a liar.

Crowdstrike was one of the contractors hired by the DNC for cybersecurity. It is not some sole source of information for the Russian hacking as you seem to imply. Again, you conspiracy theorists are betrayed by your simplicity. There were multiple facets to the Russian attack. There was the intrusion into the DNC servers, the timed release to wikileaks, the use of bots and trolls, fake news stories planted onto various websites. It was a large concerted effort to sway public opinion by using illegal and opaque means. We do not know if collusion by Trump's campaign was involved or not, but the fact is these things happened. This AGAIN has been authenticated by multiple intelligence agencies. Multiple cybersecurity firms, multiple countries. What you are saying is that all the personnel involved in these institutions are ALL in on the scam. Even the language you use in defense of your silliness, like "hacking investigator" is fuzzy and obfuscatory in nature, which is no surprise.

 

[barbos]

Mueller is not a hacking investigator (CrowdStrike is), Funny you mentioned lying, cause said hacking investigator is a liar.

Crowdstrike was one of the contractors hired by the DNC for cybersecurity. It is not some sole source of information for the Russian hacking as you seem to imply. Again, you conspiracy theorists are betrayed by your simplicity. There were multiple facets to the Russian attack. There was the intrusion into the DNC servers, the timed release to wikileaks, the use of bots and trolls, fake news stories planted onto various websites. It was a large concerted effort to sway public opinion by using illegal and opaque means. We do not know if collusion by Trump's campaign was involved or not, but the fact is these things happened. This AGAIN has been authenticated by multiple intelligence agencies. Multiple cybersecurity firms, multiple countries. What you are saying is that all the personnel involved in these institutions are ALL in on the scam. Even the language you use in defense of your silliness, like "hacking investigator" is fuzzy and obfuscatory in nature, which is no surprise.

You are good at conspiracy theories yourself.

AGAIN has been authenticated by multiple intelligence agencies

Nope, what they themselves confirmed that it IS NOT the case. 17 agencies meme had no basis in reality, there were only 3 agencies.

There was the intrusion into the DNC servers

Well, according to latest theory of your side "UNSUCCESSFUL attempt of intrusion".
And you should not accuse my theories of simplicity when CrowndStrike uses googling as a source of their reports. Yes, CrowdStrike were caught fabricating their reports and they were caught being biased against Russia.

Yes, the only guy who were allowed to look at these allegedly hacked DNC servers was a RUSSIAN expat (!!!) who sits on the board of openly anti-russian think tank. Yes, you heard me right, DNC did not allow FBI to have a look. And Yes, the same guy used googling and fake news sites (most likely from russian government itself) as a source of his now debunked report. Think about that for a moment, the guy who writes reports about russian propaganda, fell for said propaganda himself in his report about said propaganda. The fucking irony.

 

[braces_for_impact]

Crowdstrike was one of the contractors hired by the DNC for cybersecurity. It is not some sole source of information for the Russian hacking as you seem to imply. Again, you conspiracy theorists are betrayed by your simplicity. There were multiple facets to the Russian attack. There was the intrusion into the DNC servers, the timed release to wikileaks, the use of bots and trolls, fake news stories planted onto various websites. It was a large concerted effort to sway public opinion by using illegal and opaque means. We do not know if collusion by Trump's campaign was involved or not, but the fact is these things happened. This AGAIN has been authenticated by multiple intelligence agencies. Multiple cybersecurity firms, multiple countries. What you are saying is that all the personnel involved in these institutions are ALL in on the scam. Even the language you use in defense of your silliness, like "hacking investigator" is fuzzy and obfuscatory in nature, which is no surprise.

You are good at conspiracy theories yourself.

AGAIN has been authenticated by multiple intelligence agencies

Nope, what they themselves confirmed that it IS NOT the case. 17 agencies meme had no basis in reality, there were only 3 agencies.

There was the intrusion into the DNC servers

Well, according to latest theory of your side "UNSUCCESSFUL attempt of intrusion".
And you should not accuse my theories of simplicity when CrowndStrike uses googling as a source of their report. Yes, CrowdStrike were caught fabricating their reports and they were caught being biased against Russia.

OK Comrade, whatever you say. Tell Uncle Vlad I said hello.

 

[Ford]

You are good at conspiracy theories yourself.

AGAIN has been authenticated by multiple intelligence agencies

Nope, what they themselves confirmed that it IS NOT the case. 17 agencies meme had no basis in reality, there were only 3 agencies.

There was the intrusion into the DNC servers

Well, according to latest theory of your side "UNSUCCESSFUL attempt of intrusion".
And you should not accuse my theories of simplicity when CrowndStrike uses googling as a source of their report. Yes, CrowdStrike were caught fabricating their reports and they were caught being biased against Russia.

OK Comrade, whatever you say. Tell Uncle Vlad I said hello.

I hear that barbos actually cheered when Ivan Drago killed Apollo Creed in Rocky IV.

 

[Opoponax]

You are good at conspiracy theories yourself.

AGAIN has been authenticated by multiple intelligence agencies

Nope, what they themselves confirmed that it IS NOT the case. 17 agencies meme had no basis in reality, there were only 3 agencies.

There was the intrusion into the DNC servers

Well, according to latest theory of your side "UNSUCCESSFUL attempt of intrusion".
And you should not accuse my theories of simplicity when CrowndStrike uses googling as a source of their report. Yes, CrowdStrike were caught fabricating their reports and they were caught being biased against Russia.

OK Comrade, whatever you say. Tell Uncle Vlad I said hello.

I hear that barbos actually cheered when Ivan Drago killed Apollo Creed in Rocky IV.

I read on Crowdstrike that that is absolutely true.

 

[barbos]

OK Comrade, whatever you say. Tell Uncle Vlad I said hello.

I will.

 

[barbos]

OK Comrade, whatever you say. Tell Uncle Vlad I said hello.

I will.

OK, I did, Uncle Vlad said "Hi" back to you. He also asked a question. Why would not Hillary allow FBI to look at the evidence? Is it because there is none?

 

[braces_for_impact]

I will.

OK, I did, Uncle Vlad said "Hi" back to you. He also asked a question. Why would not Hillary allow FBI to look at the evidence? Is it because there is none?

That Uncle Vlad, a tricky one is he. Tell him I know that he already knows the answer, and to go back to buggering his countrymen.

 

[braces_for_impact]

Seriously though, I don't know why the DNC (not Hillary, there's a distinction there) didn't allow the FBI to investigate their server. At first they said the FBI didn't request to, but Comey later stated that hey did request to examine it. If I were to guess, it's probably because the DNC has a hard time trusting the Intelligence services to remain neutral or leak info to the Republicans. In fact, I can easily see the Republicans doing the same thing in their position. However, YOU don't trust the intelligence services, so one would thing bringing in private firms to help would be a good idea. In fact I think adding private services for cybersecurity for both the RNC and the DNC is a GOOD idea. I also think it's a good idea to let our intelligence services work with these private companies to help secure and investigate incidents.

These intelligence services were allowed to examine this data, however, and the Intelligence services conclusion that Russia has been making a concerted effort to undermine our democratic process is NOT based on data solely from this DNC server. SO, regardless of how many times you bring this up, it does you no help. Again, you're being too simple in your obfuscation.

 

[barbos]

Seriously though, I don't know why the DNC (not Hillary, there's a distinction there) didn't allow the FBI to investigate their server. At first they said the FBI didn't request to, but Comey later stated that hey did request to examine it. If I were to guess, it's probably because the DNC has a hard time trusting the Intelligence services to remain neutral or leak info to the Republicans. In fact, I can easily see the Republicans doing the same thing in their position. However, YOU don't trust the intelligence services, so one would thing bringing in private firms to help would be a good idea.

So she hires rabid russophobe without established reputation (founded in 2011) what could go wrong? Nothing, everything went horribly right and they got $100mil financing because of all this publicity.

In fact I think adding private services for cybersecurity for both the RNC and the DNC is a GOOD idea. I also think it's a good idea to let our intelligence services work with these private companies to help secure and investigate incidents.

These intelligence services were allowed to examine this data, however, and the Intelligence services conclusion that Russia has been making a concerted effort to undermine our democratic process is NOT based on data solely from this DNC server.

These imtelligence services never saw any data. Only Crowdstrike report. Other unbiased experts saw that too. And disagree completely with Crowdstrike conclusion. As for 3 three-letter agencies (not 17, just 3) their "data" seems to consist of phone conversations of some people congratulating each other. That's pretty weak in fact laughable evidence.

SO, regardless of how many times you bring this up, it does you no help. Again, you're being too simple in your obfuscation.

Again, Alperovich is a rabid russo-phobe who was caught making shit up about Russia in his other report. That's an established undeniable wikipedied fact.
Unlike your "Russia did it" facts. Do you know why they did not allow FBI to look? Because they made the whole story up.

 

[barbos]

OK, I did, Uncle Vlad said "Hi" back to you. He also asked a question. Why would not Hillary allow FBI to look at the evidence? Is it because there is none?

That Uncle Vlad, a tricky one is he. Tell him I know that he already knows the answer, and to go back to buggering his countrymen.

Of course he knows the answer, that's why he is asking the question.

 

[Elixir]

These imtelligence services never saw any data.

The all-knowing barbos sees deep into the minds of all intelligence officers!

Tell us O Barbos - how is your murderous boss going to try to interfere in the 2018 elections? Deploy a bunch more trolls, or just hack directly into select voting machines?

 

[braces_for_impact]

These imtelligence services never saw any data.

The all-knowing barbos sees deep into the minds of all intelligence officers!

Tell us O Barbos - how is your murderous boss going to try to interfere in the 2018 elections? Deploy a bunch more trolls, or just hack directly into select voting machines?

Yes, you see how in his mind it's still all Hillary related? "She". I swear, he must be Vlad's nephew or some shit. He spouts this shit he reads on RT, and that's all he needs to know. He even uses the term "Russianphobe" which is the most ridiculous made up, silly word.

Barbos: The server is far from the only evidence involving Russia here, buddy. I don't have anything against Russia or Russians in general. But their government is something else entirely, and if YOU cared about Russia, you would stop defending this bastard, Putin and his regime.

 

[blastula]

Mueller is not a hacking investigator (CrowdStrike is), Funny you mentioned lying, cause said hacking investigator is a liar.

Crowdstrike was one of the contractors hired by the DNC for cybersecurity. It is not some sole source of information for the Russian hacking as you seem to imply. Again, you conspiracy theorists are betrayed by your simplicity. There were multiple facets to the Russian attack. There was the intrusion into the DNC servers, the timed release to wikileaks, the use of bots and trolls, fake news stories planted onto various websites. It was a large concerted effort to sway public opinion by using illegal and opaque means. We do not know if collusion by Trump's campaign was involved or not, but the fact is these things happened. This AGAIN has been authenticated by multiple intelligence agencies. Multiple cybersecurity firms, multiple countries. What you are saying is that all the personnel involved in these institutions are ALL in on the scam. Even the language you use in defense of your silliness, like "hacking investigator" is fuzzy and obfuscatory in nature, which is no surprise.

Plus the hacking of dozens of states' elections systems.

 

[Deepak]

These imtelligence services never saw any data.

The all-knowing barbos sees deep into the minds of all intelligence officers!

Tell us O Barbos - how is your murderous boss going to try to interfere in the 2018 elections? Deploy a bunch more trolls, or just hack directly into select voting machines?

Not just Crowdstrike, but their competitors (you know, the people who have a decided financial interest in calling bullshit on the report) are also Russophobes. Anybody who isn't Russian is a Russophobe, except ornery expat Russians - they're also Russophobes. And I'm sure Barbos' trigger finger is itching to provide links to all the evidence for posters in this thread being Russophobes. Surely the examples must abound