RussiaGate

[barbos]

Crowdstrike was one of the contractors hired by the DNC for cybersecurity. It is not some sole source of information for the Russian hacking as you seem to imply. Again, you conspiracy theorists are betrayed by your simplicity. There were multiple facets to the Russian attack. There was the intrusion into the DNC servers, the timed release to wikileaks, the use of bots and trolls, fake news stories planted onto various websites. It was a large concerted effort to sway public opinion by using illegal and opaque means. We do not know if collusion by Trump's campaign was involved or not, but the fact is these things happened. This AGAIN has been authenticated by multiple intelligence agencies. Multiple cybersecurity firms, multiple countries. What you are saying is that all the personnel involved in these institutions are ALL in on the scam. Even the language you use in defense of your silliness, like "hacking investigator" is fuzzy and obfuscatory in nature, which is no surprise.

Plus the hacking of dozens of states' elections systems.

Yes, plus this case:

 

[barbos]

The all-knowing barbos sees deep into the minds of all intelligence officers!

Tell us O Barbos - how is your murderous boss going to try to interfere in the 2018 elections? Deploy a bunch more trolls, or just hack directly into select voting machines?

Not just Crowdstrike, but their competitors

It's usually unwise to start a "war" of words in business (too Trumpy), but some did point out that described (by Crowdstrike) attack as sophisticated was rather amateurish and used outdated software and the fact that they failed to penetrate a virtually unprotected server confirms that.

 

[Deepak]

Not just Crowdstrike, but their competitors

It's usually unwise to start a "war" of words in business (too Trumpy), but some did point out that described (by Crowdstrike) attack as sophisticated was rather amateurish and used outdated software and the fact that they failed to penetrate a virtually unprotected server confirms that.

Nonsense - they didn't have to agree with a competitor's assessment. They could have remained silent on the subject, or disagreed without starting a ""war" of words".

"Nobody knew that false dichotomies could be so complicated!"

 

[barbos]

It's usually unwise to start a "war" of words in business (too Trumpy), but some did point out that described (by Crowdstrike) attack as sophisticated was rather amateurish and used outdated software and the fact that they failed to penetrate a virtually unprotected server confirms that.

Nonsense - they didn't have to agree with a competitor's assessment. They could have remained silent on the subject, or disagreed without starting a ""war" of words".

"Nobody knew that false dichotomies could be so complicated!"

Not a nonsense. If you are an established business In such clearly political case it's prudent to keep your opinion to yourself.
That's why bisinesses are usually pay to both parties and don't criticize any of them.
Crowdstrike look exception because they are newcomers and decided it's financially beneficial to sell themselves to just one party.

 

[Deepak]

Nonsense - they didn't have to agree with a competitor's assessment. They could have remained silent on the subject, or disagreed without starting a ""war" of words".

"Nobody knew that false dichotomies could be so complicated!"

Not a nonsense. If you are an established business In such clearly political case it's prudent to keep your opinion to yourself.
That's why bisinesses are usually pay to both parties and don't criticize any of them.
Crowdstrike look exception because they are newcomers and decided it's financially beneficial to sell themselves to just one party.

No it's absolutely nonsense specifically because you don't go to bat for the people who are competing for $$ against you unless you're damn sure that they're correct. I think you're at the point where you'll be contrarian to the point of not even making a coherent argument.

 

[barbos]

Not a nonsense. If you are an established business In such clearly political case it's prudent to keep your opinion to yourself.
That's why bisinesses are usually pay to both parties and don't criticize any of them.
Crowdstrike look exception because they are newcomers and decided it's financially beneficial to sell themselves to just one party.

No it's absolutely nonsense specifically because you don't go to bat for the people who are competing for $$ against you unless you're damn sure that they're correct. I think you're at the point where you'll be contrarian to the point of not even making a coherent argument.

It's an established fact that Crowdstrike lied in their Ukraine Artillery story. However nobody really talks about it, explain to me why?
Your theory that competition is fair and best always win is not based on reality. Look at who won the election in US - Trump.
In this particular case, Russia has no natural allies in US establishment, democrats and republicans both hate Russia maybe for for slightly different reason. Why would anybody publicly say "Wait a second, we need to be more careful here"? It's simply has no benefit to anyone in US.
US media routinely malkes ridiculous stories about Russia and gets away with it.

 

[Deepak]

It's an established fact that Crowdstrike lied in their Ukraine Artillery story. However nobody really talks about it, explain to me why?

What?

Your theory that competition is fair and best always win is not based on reality.

Where did I proffer such a theory?

Look at who won the election in US - Trump.

You'll have to inform Mr Putin that all sales are final.

In this particular case, Russia has no natural allies in US establishment, democrats and republicans both hate Russia maybe for for slightly different reason.

Bullshit - the western world bent over backwards to have normal relations with post-Soviet Russia, and they were made members of almost all inter-governmental organizations with the exception of the OECD (which capsized with the invasion of Crimea) and the Delian League. The fact is that Putin-era Russia has been belligerent to most of Eastern & Western Europe as well as the US. The fact is that nobody really cares about Russia, except for the fact that they've been meddling with other sovereign nations' affairs. I've had lots of political conversations in the US and Europe and never have I heard anyone mention Russia from the fall of the Soviet Union through 2013 in an earnest conversation unless it was a historical discussion of The Second World War 2. The truth is no one had time for this putative Russophobia, and we'd all prefer to go back to not caring about Russia again. But at least you can take solace in that song Carly Simon wrote about you.

Why would anybody publicly say "Wait a second, we need to be more careful here"? It's simply has no benefit to anyone in US.
US media routinely malkes ridiculous stories about Russia and gets away with it.

Yeah - like all of that fake news about Russian troops in Crimea which Putin eventually admitted to, but his supporters still can't accept.

Nobody cares enough about Russia's frozen tundra and fruity eggs to warrant a potential nuclear war.

 

[barbos]

What?

Exactly my point! You don't know that very relevant piece of info because media does not talk about it. So why they are not talking about it?

Your theory that competition is fair and best always win is not based on reality.

Where did I proffer such a theory?

You said competitors would jump to the opportunity to trash Crowdstrike because you know - free market competition and all that capitalism.

Look at who won the election in US - Trump.

You'll have to inform Mr Putin that all sales are final.

In this particular case, Russia has no natural allies in US establishment, democrats and republicans both hate Russia maybe for for slightly different reason.

Bullshit - the western world bent over backwards to have normal relations with post-Soviet Russia,

Sure, that must be why NATO has been advancing into former USSR republics. And US has been supporting every SOB who said magic words "I don't like Russia"

and they were made members of almost all inter-governmental organizations with the exception of the OECD (which capsized with the invasion of Crimea) and the Delian League. The fact is that Putin-era Russia has been belligerent to most of Eastern & Western Europe as well as the US.

It's your opinion, reality is different. In reality US has been trying to isolate Russia long before 2008 when Russian foreign minister sent US critters a memo explaining why they should not do it.

The fact is that nobody really cares about Russia,

You seem to contradict with what you said earlier about all inter-governmental organizations.

except for the fact that they've been meddling with other sovereign nations' affairs. I've had lots of political conversations in the US and Europe and never have I heard anyone mention Russia from the fall of the Soviet Union through 2013 in an earnest conversation unless it was a historical discussion of The Second World War 2. The truth is no one had time for this putative Russophobia, and we'd all prefer to go back to not caring about Russia again. But at least you can take solace in that song Carly Simon wrote about you.

Western media has put a lot of efforts into creating this view of Russia. I am not saying Putin did not help. But again, West started all that.

Why would anybody publicly say "Wait a second, we need to be more careful here"? It's simply has no benefit to anyone in US.
US media routinely malkes ridiculous stories about Russia and gets away with it.

Yeah - like all of that fake news about Russian troops in Crimea which Putin eventually admitted to, but his supporters still can't accept.

I did not say everything "bad" western media says is false. Maybe only 20% is distortion and 5% are outright lies. But these lies have disproportionate impact on the overall atmosphere.

Nobody cares enough about Russia's frozen tundra and fruity eggs to warrant a potential nuclear war.

I agree, that's why unofficial US policy toward Russia is to undermine Russia by all means until threat of nuclear war is eliminated. All means means everything - lying, installing hostile regimes in former russia allied countries, economic sanctions, everything, until Russia has no nukes or there is no Russia.

 

[whichphilosophy]

What?

Your theory that competition is fair and best always win is not based on reality.

Where did I proffer such a theory?

Look at who won the election in US - Trump.

You'll have to inform Mr Putin that all sales are final.

In this particular case, Russia has no natural allies in US establishment, democrats and republicans both hate Russia maybe for for slightly different reason.

Bullshit - the western world bent over backwards to have normal relations with post-Soviet Russia, and they were made members of almost all inter-governmental organizations with the exception of the OECD (which capsized with the invasion of Crimea) and the Delian League. The fact is that Putin-era Russia has been belligerent to most of Eastern & Western Europe as well as the US. The fact is that nobody really cares about Russia, except for the fact that they've been meddling with other sovereign nations' affairs. I've had lots of political conversations in the US and Europe and never have I heard anyone mention Russia from the fall of the Soviet Union through 2013 in an earnest conversation unless it was a historical discussion of The Second World War 2. The truth is no one had time for this putative Russophobia, and we'd all prefer to go back to not caring about Russia again. But at least you can take solace in that song Carly Simon wrote about you.

Why would anybody publicly say "Wait a second, we need to be more careful here"? It's simply has no benefit to anyone in US.
US media routinely malkes ridiculous stories about Russia and gets away with it.

Yeah - like all of that fake news about Russian troops in Crimea which Putin eventually admitted to, but his supporters still can't accept.

Nobody cares enough about Russia's frozen tundra and fruity eggs to warrant a potential nuclear war.

Whether Russia did or not meddle in the affairs of other countries, we are experiencing the chain reaction of destructive actions of the USA which is by far the main culprit.

Putin is not going to be intimidated by sanctions, or weaponry and troops facing its borders so the sensible thing is to discuss issues in an adult manner, which the US leadership has shown a lack of interest in doing so.

 

[Elixir]

Putin is not going to be intimidated by sanctions, or weaponry and troops facing its borders

Of course not. He's the Leader of the un-free world.

so the sensible thing is to discuss issues in an adult manner, which the US leadership has shown a lack of interest in doing so.

Why bother with little shit like that, when there is an urgent need to deal with the threat of morning cable news hosts?

 

[whichphilosophy]

Of course not. He's the Leader of the un-free world.

so the sensible thing is to discuss issues in an adult manner, which the US leadership has shown a lack of interest in doing so.

Why bother with little shit like that, when there is an urgent need to deal with the threat of morning cable news hosts?

Is the US actually creating a free and harmonious world? It far more sense for 2 nations who have enough weapons to blow the world up to a size of a tennis ball to speak to each other more often.

 

[KeepTalking]

Of course not. He's the Leader of the un-free world.



Why bother with little shit like that, when there is an urgent need to deal with the threat of morning cable news hosts?

Is the US actually creating a free and harmonious world? It far more sense for 2 nations who have enough weapons to blow the world up to a size of a tennis ball to speak to each other more often.

At this point the US isn't even creating a free and harmonious US, but rather an authoritarian, pissed off Trumpistan.

 

[Elixir]

Of course not. He's the Leader of the un-free world.



Why bother with little shit like that, when there is an urgent need to deal with the threat of morning cable news hosts?

Is the US actually creating a free and harmonious world? It far more sense for 2 nations who have enough weapons to blow the world up to a size of a tennis ball to speak to each other more often.

Yeah, there's a lot of money to be made!
Fuck Putin. We don't have to hold hands with that murdering despot.

 

[braces_for_impact]

"Trump is doing bad things."

"Look! Over there! The USA is doing bad things!"

"Trump is still doing bad things."

 

[whichphilosophy]

Is the US actually creating a free and harmonious world? It far more sense for 2 nations who have enough weapons to blow the world up to a size of a tennis ball to speak to each other more often.

Yeah, there's a lot of money to be made!
Fuck Putin. We don't have to hold hands with that murdering despot.

There is always money to be made when peace is made.
Never mind how many millions died as a result of the US Warlords in the Middle East.

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Is the US actually creating a free and harmonious world? It far more sense for 2 nations who have enough weapons to blow the world up to a size of a tennis ball to speak to each other more often.

At this point the US isn't even creating a free and harmonious US, but rather an authoritarian, pissed off Trumpistan.

The US isn't creating a free and harmonious world either; in fact the opposite.

 

[Elixir]

The US isn't creating a free and harmonious world either; in fact the opposite.

What did you expect when you were endorsing the magenta menace?

 

[Artemus]

Fascinating reading here about the (Russian? GOP?) attempts to get H. Clinton's private emails, "curiously, around the same time Trump called for the Russians to get Hillary Clinton’s missing emails." But the WH ensures us that he was joking!

 

[tupac chopra]

Is the US actually creating a free and harmonious world? It far more sense for 2 nations who have enough weapons to blow the world up to a size of a tennis ball to speak to each other more often.

Yeah, there's a lot of money to be made!
Fuck Putin. We don't have to hold hands with that murdering despot.

Who did Putin murder?

We know for a fact that Obama murdered people. Killed with no trial. Killed because they were thought to be a bad person. Killed by accident.
Because you people sat limply by and did not complain now Trump can do the same.

A Massive National Security Leak Just Blew the Lid off Obama’s Drone War

Why do you call other leaders murderers yet not complain about your own leaders?

 

[whichphilosophy]

Fascinating reading here about the (Russian? GOP?) attempts to get H. Clinton's private emails, "curiously, around the same time Trump called for the Russians to get Hillary Clinton’s missing emails." But the WH ensures us that he was joking!

Does Hilary have any missing emails?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Yeah, there's a lot of money to be made!
Fuck Putin. We don't have to hold hands with that murdering despot.

Who did Putin murder?

We know for a fact that Obama murdered people. Killed with no trial. Killed because they were thought to be a bad person. Killed by accident.
Because you people sat limply by and did not complain now Trump can do the same.

A Massive National Security Leak Just Blew the Lid off Obama’s Drone War

Why do you call other leaders murderers yet not complain about your own leaders?

What is it with whataboutism this year?
So, what, we can't accuse Putin unless we accuse Obama in the same breath?
How does that work?
How does the number of notches on Obama's belt make Putin any less of a murderer? What's the mechanism, there?