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[Will Wiley]

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[Jimmy Higgins]

Yeah, there's a lot of money to be made!
Fuck Putin. We don't have to hold hands with that murdering despot.

Who did Putin murder?

People that he felt were a danger to his stranglehold of power in Russia. He has also jailed plenty of political enemies.

We know for a fact that Obama murdered people. Killed with no trial. Killed because they were thought to be a bad person. Killed by accident.

Well sure. The drone program is very questionable. The difference between the two acts would be, he didn't commit any of those acts to consolidate his political power.

Because you people sat limply by and did not complain now Trump can do the same.

Technically, Trump ceded power directly to the military.

 

[J842P]

Who did Putin murder?

We know for a fact that Obama murdered people. Killed with no trial. Killed because they were thought to be a bad person. Killed by accident.
Because you people sat limply by and did not complain now Trump can do the same.

A Massive National Security Leak Just Blew the Lid off Obama’s Drone War

Why do you call other leaders murderers yet not complain about your own leaders?

What is it with whataboutism this year?
So, what, we can't accuse Putin unless we accuse Obama in the same breath?
How does that work?
How does the number of notches on Obama's belt make Putin any less of a murderer? What's the mechanism, there?

No, it just makes all the pearl-clutching and seething blind rage seem stupid.

"Putin is a murderer!"

Who gives a fuck? The US has a *long* history of working with the worst sorts of murdering, torturing despots.

And while Putin is probably a murderer, he's not really a despot, and is pretty mild by the standards of America's associations. It's clear that many cannot get over their rage that Trump was elected.

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Well sure. The drone program is very questionable. The difference between the two acts would be, he didn't commit any of those acts to consolidate his political power.

Oh, so Obama is just a *wanton* murderer.

Hell, if we are going to have murderers leading the country, it might as well be an effective murderer.

 

[whichphilosophy]

What is it with whataboutism this year?
So, what, we can't accuse Putin unless we accuse Obama in the same breath?
How does that work?
How does the number of notches on Obama's belt make Putin any less of a murderer? What's the mechanism, there?

No, it just makes all the pearl-clutching and seething blind rage seem stupid.

"Putin is a murderer!"

Who gives a fuck? The US has a *long* history of working with the worst sorts of murdering, torturing despots.

And while Putin is probably a murderer, he's not really a despot, and is pretty mild by the standards of America's associations. It's clear that many cannot get over their rage that Trump was elected.

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Well sure. The drone program is very questionable. The difference between the two acts would be, he didn't commit any of those acts to consolidate his political power.

Oh, so Obama is just a *wanton* murderer.

Hell, if we are going to have murderers leading the country, it might as well be an effective murderer.

If someone murders someone that means they were an effective murderer I suppose. Obama is a warlord and consistent with his past acts of genocide were justified by the need to change a bad regime for a much worse one. Putin is accused of being linked to assassinations of spies and some dissidents. Perhaps he has people to do this for him by giving them power of attorney.

Those who didn't like Trump being elected should be focusing how to fairly win the next one and stop butt-hurting.

 

[KeepTalking]

Those who didn't like Trump being elected should be focusing how to fairly win the next one and stop butt-hurting.

Yes, and part of that focusing needs to be on making sure that foreign meddling in the election does not occur. In order to do that, we need to know to what degree and how foreign meddling occurred in the last election.

 

[Opoponax]

No, it just makes all the pearl-clutching and seething blind rage seem stupid.

"Putin is a murderer!"

Who gives a fuck? The US has a *long* history of working with the worst sorts of murdering, torturing despots.

And while Putin is probably a murderer, he's not really a despot, and is pretty mild by the standards of America's associations. It's clear that many cannot get over their rage that Trump was elected.

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Well sure. The drone program is very questionable. The difference between the two acts would be, he didn't commit any of those acts to consolidate his political power.

Oh, so Obama is just a *wanton* murderer.

Hell, if we are going to have murderers leading the country, it might as well be an effective murderer.

If someone murders someone that means they were an effective murderer I suppose. Obama is a warlord and consistent with his past acts of genocide were justified by the need to change a bad regime for a much worse one. Putin is accused of being linked to assassinations of spies and some dissidents. Perhaps he has people to do this for him by giving them power of attorney.

Those who didn't like Trump being elected should be focusing how to fairly win the next one and stop butt-hurting.

Putin's killing and jailing of political opponents and journalists is well documented. Nobody can help it if you refuse to believe it. Second, your "butt hurt" bullshit is just that: bullshit. I have gathered by now that you don't much care for the civil rights the rest of us consider to be of the utmost importance, which is why you argue for Trump. It is only by quirk of an outdated electoral system that Trump and his mush-minded fans have to be taken seriously, but only to the extent of removing the orange motherfucker and forcing the reptiles that support him back under the rocks from where they slithered.

 

[Elixir]

Who did Putin murder?

We know for a fact that Obama murdered people. Killed with no trial. Killed because they were thought to be a bad person. Killed by accident.
Because you people sat limply by and did not complain now Trump can do the same.

A Massive National Security Leak Just Blew the Lid off Obama’s Drone War

Why do you call other leaders murderers yet not complain about your own leaders?

What is it with whataboutism this year?
So, what, we can't accuse Putin unless we accuse Obama in the same breath?
How does that work?

It works asymmetrically - if you say anything negative about Putin or Cheato, you have to also condemn Obama and/or Hillary. But it's okay to rail against Obama and Hillary without ever mentioning Cheato or Putin.
Got it?

 

[Keith&Co.]

What is it with whataboutism this year?
So, what, we can't accuse Putin unless we accuse Obama in the same breath?
How does that work?

It works asymmetrically - if you say anything negative about Putin or Cheato, you have to also condemn Obama and/or Hillary. But it's okay to rail against Obama and Hillary without ever mentioning Cheato or Putin.
Got it?

Ah.
I suspect the wiring diagram would include a lot of diodes...

 

[Elixir]

Obama is a warlord

Ah - private citizen-slash-warlord.
You really have your head up your ass.

 

[Keith&Co.]

...How does the number of notches on Obama's belt make Putin any less of a murderer? What's the mechanism, there?

No, it just makes all the pearl-clutching and seething blind rage seem stupid.

"Putin is a murderer!"

Who gives a fuck? The US has a *long* history of working with the worst sorts of murdering, torturing despots.

Then that would have been a rational response.
"LOTS of people we've embraced as allies are murderers" (or absolute psychopaths or fundamentalists or countries that harbor boy bands).

But it's still stupid to reply to 'putin is a murderer' with 'Why do you call other leaders murderers yet not complain about your own leaders?' as if we have to accuse everyone every single time in order to be on-point.
Commenting on Putin is not evidence that we never criticized, complained or even acknowledged anyone else's guilt.

 

[Elixir]

No, it just makes all the pearl-clutching and seething blind rage seem stupid.

"Putin is a murderer!"

Who gives a fuck? The US has a *long* history of working with the worst sorts of murdering, torturing despots.

Then that would have been a rational response.
"LOTS of people we've embraced as allies are murderers" (or absolute psychopaths or fundamentalists or countries that harbor boy bands).

But it's still stupid to reply to 'putin is a murderer' with 'Why do you call other leaders murderers yet not complain about your own leaders?' as if we have to accuse everyone every single time in order to be on-point.
Commenting on Putin is not evidence that we never criticized, complained or even acknowledged anyone else's guilt.

I think the game is a little lopsided. Trump is not a murderer. He can take away tens of millions of people's health insurance and hundreds of thousands of Americans might die needlessly as result, but that won;t make him a murderer. He could wake up at 3am and tweet something so stupid that it causes N Korea to obliterate Seoul and millions might die, but that won't make him a murderer either. Under his incompetent direction hundreds of civilians have already died but that doesn't make him a murderer. Only Obama and Hillary can be accurately called murderers. Calling Putin or Cheato a murderer is FAKE NEWS.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Only Obama and Hillary can be accurately called murderers. Calling Putin or Cheato a murderer is FAKE NEWS.

Well, Cheato made the killing of civilians a campaign promise. So calling him a murderer is just another way of saying delivering his mandate from the voters.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, looks like the Anal Sex went on a lot longer than expected. Putin clearly has stamina. The meeting between Putin/Lavrov and Ren/Stimpy went over 2 hours.

Ren indicated that Putin and Stimpy had significant discussions about Russian interference in the US election while Trump was getting DP'd by Putin and Lavrov.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Well, looks like the Anal Sex went on a lot longer than expected. Putin clearly has stamina. The meeting between Putin/Lavrov and Ren/Stimpy went over 2 hours.

Ren indicated that Putin and Stimpy had significant discussions about Russian interference in the US election while Trump was getting DP'd by Putin and Lavrov.

Then it means the Russians did not interfere in the US elections but Putin interfered with Trump.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Putin didn't "interfere with Trump," but instead said he didn't do it and Trump believed him.

“President Trump said he heard President Putin’s unequivocal statement that [the allegations] are not true, and that the Russian government has not interfered [in the US election], and [Trump] accepts those statements,” said Lavrov, adding that the US has not revealed any proof of such interference.

https://www.rt.com/usa/395641-trump-putin-russia-interference/

 

[blastula]

What classified info did Twitler give away this time?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What classified info did Twitler give away this time?

Only the health of his colon.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Putin didn't "interfere with Trump," but instead said he didn't do it and Trump believed him.

“President Trump said he heard President Putin’s unequivocal statement that [the allegations] are not true, and that the Russian government has not interfered [in the US election], and [Trump] accepts those statements,” said Lavrov, adding that the US has not revealed any proof of such interference.

https://www.rt.com/usa/395641-trump-putin-russia-interference/

I used the English naughty version of interfered.

 

[Elixir]

Putin played Cheato like a cheap fiddle.
That's what you get when you elect a moron.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Putin played Cheato like a cheap fiddle.
That's what you get when you elect a moron.

The Americans had two bad choices and it's a matter of opinion who the worst one is.