Russian Invasion of Ukraine - tactics and logistics

[steve_bank]

I am wondering if Putin is actualy in complete control of his militray.

I think his problem is a disconnect between his understanding of the situation and the reality. He's telling them to do things they can't accomplish.

A Potemkin Military.

There was a release of an intelligence report in the news saying Putin is not getting accurate information from the military.

 

[TV and credit cards]

The problem for Putin isn’t what he’s managed to conquer so far, but what he can HOLD. He might sort of occupy this land bridge between Crimea and Donbas, but he will be consistently harassed and threatened by Ukrainian forces to the north of this bridge. He can’t control the internal population although he might try to repopulate the area. But who the fuck in Russia is going to want to move there? Thus he will be forced to waste manpower trying to hold unfriendly areas while Ukrainians just bleed his army dry.

They will never fully incorporate these areas into Russia. This ends when Putin ends. But that could last for some time to come. I wonder if Zelensky has assassination or poison squads after Putin?

Rumor is Putin is holed up in a bunker near Surgut in western Siberia. Asia Times has a scary story about how the end is near. I think this is Putin's way of saving himself from a blindfold and a cigarette. I assume the bunker locks from the inside and has supplies to last him.

 

[Jayjay]

Ukraine hits Russian side of the border, near Kharkiv, for the first time:

Ukraine Denies Responsibility For Blast At Russian Fuel Depot

Ukraine has denied responsibility for a fiery blast at a civilian oil storage facility on Russian territory.

www.rferl.org

Interesting to see if Russia will see this as an escalation (assuming it's true).

 

[TV and credit cards]

Ukraine hits Russian side of the border, near Kharkiv, for the first time:

Ukraine Denies Responsibility For Blast At Russian Fuel Depot

Ukraine has denied responsibility for a fiery blast at a civilian oil storage facility on Russian territory.

www.rferl.org

Interesting to see if Russia will see this as an escalation (assuming it's true).

It may be a foolhardy comment but… Good for them. Punch back. Bloody his fucking nose.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Ukraine hits Russian side of the border, near Kharkiv, for the first time:

Ukraine Denies Responsibility For Blast At Russian Fuel Depot

Ukraine has denied responsibility for a fiery blast at a civilian oil storage facility on Russian territory.

www.rferl.org

Interesting to see if Russia will see this as an escalation (assuming it's true).

It may be a foolhardy comment but… Good for them. Punch back. Bloody his fucking nose.

That's a good sign. The fact that Russians don't seem able to keep their vehicles fuelled is bad enough. It would appear the Ukrainians are going to exploit this weak link. I hope they start taking out launch sites and staging areas.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ukraine hits Russian side of the border, near Kharkiv, for the first time:

Ukraine Denies Responsibility For Blast At Russian Fuel Depot

Ukraine has denied responsibility for a fiery blast at a civilian oil storage facility on Russian territory.

www.rferl.org

Interesting to see if Russia will see this as an escalation (assuming it's true).

Zelenskyy still being alive is escalation in Russia's POV. Regardless, have a hard time condemning an act of attacking Russian military infrastructure (especially highly relevant to the invasion) by a nation that was invaded by Russia.

However, to me, this indicates something more important, that they are trying to impede redistributing the Russian military, who are likely trying to gather in more logistically beneficial manners (whether consolidating in Eastern Ukraine or what not). This act seems to be attempting to freeze Russia troop movement. Which would imply Ukraine would have heard something from the US about what Russia was trying.

 

[Elixir]

Ukraine hits Russian side of the border, near Kharkiv, for the first time:

Ukraine Denies Responsibility For Blast At Russian Fuel Depot

Ukraine has denied responsibility for a fiery blast at a civilian oil storage facility on Russian territory.

www.rferl.org

Interesting to see if Russia will see this as an escalation (assuming it's true).

It may be a foolhardy comment but… Good for them. Punch back. Bloody his fucking nose.

On the subject of possibly foolhardy comments, I'll offer that the US should NOT be such a weenie when dealing with a psycho "strongman" who will try to take advantage of every perceived weakness. This is, IMHO, absolutely NOT the way to further any desirable outcome.

U.S. cancels ballistic missile test to avoid escalating Russia tensions​

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has made the decision to cancel a ballistic missile test scheduled for this week "to demonstrate we are a responsible nuclear power," Pentagon press secretary John Kirby announced Wednesday.

Why it matters: Russian President Vladimir Putin has heightened the readiness posture of Russia's nuclear deterrent forces during his invasion of Ukraine, after warning last week that any country that interfered in the operation would face "such consequences that you have never encountered in your history."

What they're saying: "In an effort to demonstrate that we have no intention of engaging in any actions that could be misunderstood or misconstrued, the Secretary of Defense has directed our Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile test launch, scheduled for this week, to be postponed," Kirby said.

• "We did not take this decision lightly, but instead to demonstrate that we are a responsible nuclear power," he continued.
• "This is not a step backwards in our readiness, nor does it imply that we will necessarily cancel other routine activities to ensure a credible nuclear capability. We remain confident in our strategic posture."

​

 

[steve_bank]

The escalation left to Russia is using WMD.

Reporting says Russian support for the war is high. Putin can use it to justify WMD to the Russian people. It furthers the Putin narrative of Ukraine/NATO as an existential immediate threat.

 

[Elixir]

The escalation left to Russia is using WMD.

Reporting says Russian support for the war is high. Putin can use it to justify WMD to the Russian people. It furthers the Putin narrative of Ukraine/NATO as an existential immediate threat.

Yeah it's all fun and games until Pootey emerges from his bunker to find a vast plain of glass.

 

[Copernicus]

The escalation left to Russia is using WMD.

Reporting says Russian support for the war is high. Putin can use it to justify WMD to the Russian people. It furthers the Putin narrative of Ukraine/NATO as an existential immediate threat.

The attack on Russian territory is militarily justified, but it is of little strategic value, since Russia has plenty of fuel elsewhere. Ukraine can't really take the war to Russia. That isn't a winnable solution, and it will have the same effect on Russia that Russia's attack on Ukraine did--rallying the people to oppose the external threat. So Putin can use that attack to his advantage, even though he is the one who made Russia a valid target by starting an unprovoked war. It isn't logical, but human beings aren't usually motivated by logic when it comes to war. This was a minor victory in the military war and a strategic blunder in the propaganda war.

 

[Elixir]

The escalation left to Russia is using WMD.

Reporting says Russian support for the war is high. Putin can use it to justify WMD to the Russian people. It furthers the Putin narrative of Ukraine/NATO as an existential immediate threat.

The attack on Russian territory is militarily justified, but it is of little strategic value, since Russia has plenty of fuel elsewhere. Ukraine can't really take the war to Russia. That isn't a winnable solution, and it will have the same effect on Russia that Russia's attack on Ukraine did--rallying the people to oppose the external threat. So Putin can use that attack to his advantage, even though he is the one who made Russia a valid target by starting an unprovoked war. It isn't logical, but human beings aren't usually motivated by logic when it comes to war. This was a minor victory in the military war and a strategic blunder in the propaganda war.

Prob'ly why this is widely suspected to be a false flag Op.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The escalation left to Russia is using WMD.

Reporting says Russian support for the war is high. Putin can use it to justify WMD to the Russian people. It furthers the Putin narrative of Ukraine/NATO as an existential immediate threat.

The attack on Russian territory is militarily justified, but it is of little strategic value, since Russia has plenty of fuel elsewhere. Ukraine can't really take the war to Russia. That isn't a winnable solution, and it will have the same effect on Russia that Russia's attack on Ukraine did--rallying the people to oppose the external threat. So Putin can use that attack to his advantage, even though he is the one who made Russia a valid target by starting an unprovoked war. It isn't logical, but human beings aren't usually motivated by logic when it comes to war. This was a minor victory in the military war and a strategic blunder in the propaganda war.

Prob'ly why this is widely suspected to be a false flag Op.

We all know that nothing happening in Ukraine has anything to do with Putinstan. Everything happening in Ukraine is the fault of Ukraine and Ukraine should suffer accordingly. It will eventually come out that Ukraine has been bombing itself, its civilians, its infrastructure, even its troops in order to instigate this conflict against Russia. What could be more obvious?

 

[Elixir]

What could be more obvious?

ZACKLY! Right about now I bet they're re-thinking the idea of buying those Russian tanks just so they could blow them all up.

 

[ZiprHead]

Russia threatens Wikipedia with a fine if it doesn't remove its page about the war

The Russian government is threatening to fine Wikipedia if it doesn't remove content that contradicts its narrative about the war in Ukraine.

Communications regulator Roskomnadzor announced on Thursday that it had asked the online encyclopedia to remove a page containing "unreliable socially significant materials, as well as other prohibited information" about its operations in Ukraine. It accused the site of intentionally misinforming Russian users.

It said it will fine Wikipedia up to 4 million rubles, or nearly $47,000, for failing to remove those materials, which are illegal under Russian law.

 

[ZiprHead]

Zelenskyy calls 2 Ukrainian generals traitorous and strips them of their rank

Ukraine's president has stripped two generals of their military rank, calling them "traitors" and "antiheroes."

Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in his nightly public address on Thursday the two intelligence officers — Naumov Andriy Olehovych, the former chief of the main department of internal security of the Security Service of Ukraine, and Kryvoruchko Serhiy Oleksandrovych, the former head of the Office of the Security Service of Ukraine in the Kherson region — are no longer generals.

The Security Service of Ukraine is the government's main intelligence and security agency focused on counter-intelligence and counter-terrorism. Kherson is one of the few big Ukrainian cities that has fallen to Russian forces, who occupied it in the early days of the war.

Zelenskyy did not elaborate on the reasons behind the decision, but suggested that the generals had not been loyal to Ukraine.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Ford]

The escalation left to Russia is using WMD.

Reporting says Russian support for the war is high. Putin can use it to justify WMD to the Russian people. It furthers the Putin narrative of Ukraine/NATO as an existential immediate threat.

Yeah, Russia seems to have played all their conventional cards in Ukraine. They can't take it let alone hold it for any length of time, and this attack - if true - was Ukraine's version of the Doolittle Raid. Not a big deal militarily, but a symbolic victory. By now Putin expected his hand-picked puppet President to be delivering propaganda speeches, Zelenskyy to be dead or in exile, and there would be some ineffective sanctions that wouldn't be too painful and only short term.

Will he go "all in" and use WMD? That's the million ruble question, isn't it? Will the people who are allegedly keeping him in the dark about the failed invasion also keep him from launching nuclear weapons? We can only hope.

 

[steve_bank]

They have used a thermionic weapon, classified as WMD. A bomb is dropped dispensing a cloud of flammable gas, then it is ignited consuming all the oxygen. O2 is literally sucked out of the lungs.

 

[Keith&Co.]

What they're saying: "In an effort to demonstrate that we have no intention of engaging in any actions that could be misunderstood or misconstrued, the Secretary of Defense has directed our Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile test launch, scheduled for this week, to be postponed," Kirby said.

So, these tests are scheduled about a year in advance. At least for Trident, i dunno about Minuteman. It's also a crucial part of certifying an asset after a major overhaul. You cannot serve as a deterrent until you prove you can launch.
We have big huge areas set up, no boats or planes, for where it goes up and where it comes down. We tell EVERYONE when it's scheduled, where it'll be, where it's going, so no one mistakes it for actual aggression. They can track it, see thAt it's going for the wastelands, not [CLASSIFIED].
We share the results, to. We aimed for X, we were Y far with A out of B warheads. We do this so that it IS a deterrent. Unlike the doomsday device in Dr. Strangelove.

“Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday machine is lost if you keep it a secret! Why didn't you tell the world?”

So, it would be very unlikely that Putin, nor anyone else, would not fully understsnd this is no tactical launch. We told them a month ago, so every radar panel and satellite watchstation has been briefed, "on this day, a single missile launch from (here) is not a first strike launch. Do not wake up the (president, premier, defense minister, etc.]"

This only makes sense in the light of how our own mefia would react to the report. Accusing Biden of threats, grandstanding, one-upping the war... so, not giving thrm free straightlines. Of course, that means he'll be accused of not being hard ENOUGH...

 

[steve_bank]

I believe there is an international agreement on notification of all launches.

There was a situation wehn the proper nirifcations were made for a US science rocket but it did nt filter down to lower Russian lvels.

It was initialy identified as a potential nuclear strike and Russia began preparing for a counter strike.