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10k tops there.

Obama's inauguration.
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Cheerful Charlie said:
Will there be national days of celebration if Trump gets found guilty and sent to prison? Would you attend one in your city?
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I'll be celebrating. Of course there will be appeals, dragging shit out for years. But they day of conviction, and the day of entering prison? There will be celebrations in this house at least.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Here is a good indication as well. I'm not shrinking, because I think the thinning of the crowd in the back is a good indicator that is where the back end of the crowd is. And that crowd is a couple thousand at the very most. (subsequent photos show this just the front, so just multiple 2k here by three or four and that gets us to 8k.

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Newsweek has a fact check.

They peg 20k to 30k as the max possible.
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In the Newsweek fact check, they bring up a very good point...shown in the photo above. Density. One of the shows I emceed was held in a field that was about a city block long, and about as wide as this street. At one point, we had to stop the show and ask the crowd to move back, because they were packed in so tightly that people in the front were barely able to move. IIRC a couple people had to be pulled out because they were overcome by the heat and the crowding.

That crowd? 12,000, based on crowd estimates, capacity, and ticket sales. The pics linked above show a far less dense crowd. 10k? Maybe. 20? Hmm...

And that local Barney Fife is either in the tank for Trump, or not good at counting, or both.
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
Will there be national days of celebration if Trump gets found guilty and sent to prison? Would you attend one in your city?
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My fantasy would be that there is only one celebration, it's in Jersey and it's comprised solely of American Muslims. It then gets filmed and is played in a loop in Trump's cell for the duration of his sentence.
 
I think 8k in the image from overhead is fair, but likely over-estimated. There could be others, not in the image, but someone had a video with a time lapse showing a long line, but it was still just a chunky line. 10k at the absolute most. That area isn't remotely wide of large or tightly packed.
 
Lin Wood turns in law license. Can no longer practice law.

From Raw Story

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Local news station WNCT reports that Wood, a conspiracy theory-spouting lawyer who tried in vain to get courts to throw out President Joe Biden's 2020 election win, has asked officials in his home state of Georgia to "retire" his law license ahead of disciplinary proceedings against him that could have potentially led to his disbarment.

With this move, Wood acknowledged that he is now "prohibited from practicing law in this State and in any other state or jurisdiction and that I may not reapply for admission."
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Everything Trump touches dies.
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
Everything Trump touches dies.
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I'm kinda wondering out loud if there's an ongoing list of attorneys that have sacrificed their careers at the altar of Trump.

Just off the top of my head....

Michael Cohen. Trump's long time personal attorney and "fixer" took the fall for him. Went to prison. Has had to reinvent himself as...well...Trump's former lawyer, because his law career is over.

Sydney Powell. A former federal prosecutor who had been involved in some very prominent cases, but is now listed as "American conspiracy theorist" in web searches.

Rudy Giuliani. Formerly touted as "America's Mayor" after 9/11. Also famous for taking on the mob in New York City. Now known for a few embarrassing escapades (a Borat movie, Four Seasons Landscaping) and has allegedly taken a proffer agreement with the Special Counsel's office.

Lin Wood. Notable for representing Richard Jewell...wrongly accused of the Olympic Park bombing. Now his career is over thanks to his fealty to Trump.

And of course, Trump is well known for skipping out on paying bills to more than just lawyers, but really...why would anyone represent him at this point?
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
Will there be national days of celebration if Trump gets found guilty and sent to prison? Would you attend one in your city?
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There is already such a day... we just celebrated it... Independence Day, where we celebrate the end of being controlled by a Royal family.
 
Ford said:
And of course, Trump is well known for skipping out on paying bills to more than just lawyers, but really...why would anyone represent him at this point?
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Because they are the type of defense Trump truly deserves.
 
Mike Pence offers tougher stance after reading Trump indictment - ABC News - June 14
"The very prospect that what is alleged here took place -- creating an opportunity where highly sensitive classified material could have fallen into the wrong hands, even inadvertently -- that jeopardizes our national security [and] puts at risk the men and women of our Armed Forces."

"I can't defend what is alleged, but the former president has a right to his day in court," Pence repeated. "I just can't -- I can't believe that politics didn't play some role here."
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Mike Pence calls Trump indictment 'saddening' and 'divisive,' but won't say if he'd pardon the former president - June 18
  • In his presidential campaign, Mike Pence is trying to win votes without losing any more friends.
  • In a "Meet the Press" exclusive, Pence dodged questions on whether he would pardon the former president.
  • Pence said he has the support of all kinds of people, but wouldn't say if he's targeting Trump supporters.
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Report: Trump Literally Wants Every GOP Presidential Candidate to Promise That They’ll Pardon Him | Vanity Fair - June 16 - "Meanwhile, the RNC is reportedly stipulating that any one candidate who wants to be on the debate stage this summer must vow to support the eventual 2024 nominee—which could mean backing a convicted felon."

What GOP candidates have said about promising to pardon Trump in classified docs case - ABC News
Vivek Ramaswamy and Perry Johnson, both entrepreneurs and both polling in the back of the pack of GOP candidates, have promised to pardon Trump if they are elected president -- a pledge that hasn't been taken up by most of the rest of the field. South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley has indicated support for a potential presidential pardon but hasn't been definitive.

Former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, however, has called such promises "wrong" and "offensive," comments he echoed on "ABC News Live Prime" on Tuesday.
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Trump says he would pardon a 'large portion' of Jan. 6 rioters - 'Trump said at a CNN town hall that he was "inclined to pardon many" of the people convicted of federal offenses for attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.'
 
Disciplinary panel recommends Giuliani be disbarred over 2020 lawsuit - 'An attorney committee for the DC Bar said the former Trump lawyer should lose his law license over a "malicious and meritless" lawsuit that sought to toss thousands of votes.'
A disciplinary board for the DC Bar Association recommended Friday that former Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani be stripped of his law license over reckless fraud claims after the 2020 election.

The panel announced its findings in a 38-page decision centered on a post-election lawsuit Giuliani filed in an effort to dismiss thousands of votes in the battleground state of Pennsylvania won by President Joe Biden.

"Mr. Giuliani’s effort to undermine the integrity of the 2020 presidential election has helped destabilize our democracy. His malicious and meritless claims have done lasting damage," the panel wrote.
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The decision document itself.

Eastman disbarment proceedings over 2020 election begin in California - The Washington Post - "The conservative attorney has been accused of developing a legal roadmap to help President Donald Trump stay in power after losing the presidential election"

Federal judge clears way for D.C. Bar proceedings against Trump ally Jeffrey Clark - POLITICO - 'D.C. Bar authorities charged Clark, a top ally in the effort to undermine the results of the 2020 presidential election, with engaging in “dishonest” conduct.'

If the only lawyer that Trump can get is a public defender, then that would be great.
 
Seemed like Trump doxxed Obama.
Trump posted what he said was Obama's address, prosecutors say. An armed man was soon arrested there | AP News
Former President Donald Trump posted on his social media platform what he claimed was the home address of former President Barack Obama on the same day that a man with guns in his van was arrested near the property, federal prosecutors said Wednesday in revealing new details about the case.

Taylor Taranto, 37, who prosecutors say participated in the Jan. 6, 2021 riot at the U.S. Capitol, kept two firearms and hundreds of rounds of ammunition inside a van he had driven cross-country and had been living in, according to a Justice Department motion that seeks to keep him behind bars.

On the day of his June 29 arrest, prosecutors said, Taranto reposted a Truth Social post from Trump containing what Trump claimed was Obama’s home address. In a post on Telegram, Taranto wrote: “We got these losers surrounded! See you in hell, Podesta’s and Obama’s.” That’s a reference to John Podesta, the former chair of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 Democratic presidential campaign.

Taranto also told followers on his YouTube live stream that he was looking to get a “good angle on a shot,” prosecutors said.
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"Acting like a Mafia boss": Experts fear Trump encouraging followers to target Jack Smith's family | Salon.com - 'Authoritarianism scholar Ruth Ben-Ghiat says Trump's attacks "smell of desperation"'

Truth Details | Truth Social
COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THE DERANGED, TRUMP HATING JACK SMITH, HIS FAMILY, AND HIS FRIENDS, THAT AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I COME UNDER THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT, AS AFFIRMED BY THE CLINTON SOCKS CASE, NOT BY THIS PSYCHOS’ FANTASY OF THE NEVER USED BEFORE ESPIONAGE ACT OF 1917. “SMITH” SHOULD BE LOOKING AT CROOKED JOE BIDDEN AND ALL OF THE CRIMES THAT HE HAS PERPETRATED ON THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, INCLUDING THE MILLIONS & MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HE EXTORTED FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES!
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He seems very distraught.

Trump Expands His Attack On Special Counsel To Include His Family And Friends | HuffPost Latest News - "Making threats against a federal law enforcement officer and family is itself a crime, although it is unclear whether Trump’s behavior reaches that threshold."
“Smells of desperation,” said Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a New York University history professor and an expert on authoritarianism. “Once again, Trump is acting like a Mafia boss and also stringing as many propaganda slogans together as possible.”
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From Raw Story.

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A pair of advocacy organizations that have long argued former President Donald Trump's incitement of the January 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol legally disqualifies him from holding office again plan to make that case with a week of rallies and banner drops beginning on Sunday.

Free Speech for People and Mi Familia Vota are among various groups and legal scholars that cite Section 3 of the 14th Amendment—which bars from office anyone who has taken an oath to support the U.S. Constitution and then "engaged in insurrection or rebellion"—to assert that Trump and some congressional Republicans can't serve in government because of the Capitol attack.
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Wheeeeee! May this be just a start for a nationwide movement.
 
"I have been illegally TARGETED by very corrupt DOJ & FBI Trump Hating Thugs!!!"
- Donald Trump

Dear Donald Trump. Jack Smith does not hate you. Jack Smith loves you. But it is a tough love.

Your friend,
Cheerful Charlie
 
www.dailykos.com

Notorious mob boss who worked with Trump in the '80s: 'He don't keep his word'

You’d think that after forcibly tearing children away from their mothers; phoning in his response to the worst health crisis in 100 years; continually promising tremendous health care and infrastructure plans that mysteriously never arrive; inciting a...
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D'Elia assumed the leadership of the family when Buffalino died in 1994. He is said to have been so trusted and respected throughout the nation's mob families, that in the 1990's he was asked to take over the Philadelphia crime family to quell the murderous infighting that left bloodstains on the streets of the city of "Brotherly Love." He declined.

D'Elia says he dealt with Trump when he owned flashy New Jersey shore casinos like the "Trump Taj Mahal," "The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino," and "The Trump Marina Hotel and Casino."

“(He’s) just like he's on TV now, arrogant. He don't keep his word.”
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The MAGA Party, by Dan Rather in post.news
The steadfast devotion of Trump’s base has sparked widespread analysis of it as a cult-like movement. It has led to soul-searching about whether a broad swath of America really believes in a pluralistic constitutional republic based on freedom and democracy. ...
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Opinion | The Rage and Joy of Donald Trump’s MAGA America - The New York Times
If you follow the rallies via Twitter or mainstream newscasts, you see the anger, but you miss the fun.

... Ron DeSantis, for example, channels all the rage of Trumpism and none of the joy. With relentless, grim determination he fights the left with every tool of government at his disposal. But can he lead stadiums full of people in an awkward dance to “Y.M.C.A.” by the Village People? Will he be the subject of countless over-the-top memes and posters celebrating him as some kind of godlike, muscular superhero?
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He seems grim and humorless and anything but a people person.
Trump’s opponents miss the joy because they experience only the rage. ...

Trump’s fans, by contrast, don’t understand the effects of that fury because they mainly experience the joy. For them, the MAGA community is kind and welcoming. For them, supporting Trump is fun. Moreover, the MAGA movement is heavily clustered in the South, and Southerners see themselves as the nicest people in America. It feels false to them to be called “mean” or “cruel.” Cruel? No chance. In their minds, they’re the same people they’ve always been — it’s just that they finally understand how bad you are. And by “you,” again, they often mean the caricatures of people they’ve never met.

In fact, they often don’t even know about the excesses of the Trump movement. Many of them will never know that their progressive neighbors have faced threats and intimidation. And even when they do see the movement at its worst, they can’t quite believe it. So Jan. 6 was a false flag. Or it was a “fedsurrection.” It couldn’t have really been a violent attempt to overthrow the elected government, because they know these people, or people like them, and they’re mostly good folks. It had to be a mistake, or an exaggeration, or a trick or a few bad apples. The real crime was the stolen election.
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Dan Rather continues in post.news:
But French is getting at an important consideration of Trump’s power. He is a showman and a provocateur. His rhetorical techniques tend toward mean-spirited humor over thunderous condemnation. And his “jokes” resonate with his audience.

There is often a striking disconnect between the import of Trump’s words and his onstage persona. The rhetoric is almost always malevolent, but it is delivered more like a circus ringmaster’s schtick than a sermon of gloom (especially when he’s not reading from a teleprompter). Trump, when he’s fully unleashed, is a lot of scary things, but a dour voice behind a podium is not one of them (and in this sense, French draws a contrast with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and his floundering campaign).

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The Republican Party has become the Trump “party,” quite literally. It’s a rollicking good time for those who have immersed themselves in MAGA Land. That it is built on lies, conspiracy theories, autocracy, divisiveness, ignorance, shortsightedness, and a host of other threats to our democratic future is not a bug — it’s a feature, to use a maxim from the tech world.
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Not just one grand jury, but two?

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Willis, they report, has "indicated in letters to county officials that potential indictments in the case could come between July 31 and August 18."

"There will be two concurrent 23-person grand juries," Kates and Killion explain in an article published on July 11. "One group will meet on Mondays and Tuesdays. The other will meet Thursdays and Fridays. Of the 23 Fulton County residents chosen for the grand jury, a majority, 12, would need to vote in favor of an indictment."
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www.rawstory.com

Fani Willis hints at August Trump indictment as grand jury convened

Despite already facing a total of 71 criminal counts — 37 in special counsel Jack Smith's federal Mar-a-Lago case, 34 in Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, Jr.'s case in New York State — former President Donald Trump may be up against even more criminal charges if an investigation by...
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