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Cheerful Charlie said:
The problem is that might happen in blue states like California, whichnTrump will not win anyway. What matters if ifvTrump gets disqualified in a few big red states, or important purplecred states. Already, at least one judge has dismissed a challenge because of "lack of standing".
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to repeat myself, snowball's chance in hell. Further, the threat of write-in ballots or staying away from the polls altogether by a large part of the Republicans' base doesn't benefit the Republicans at the presidential, congressional, or state-house levels.
 
T.G.G. Moogly said:
That's an accurate and appropriate epitaph for a lot of republican tombstones, COMPLETELY WITHOUT MERIT. I'd add "And Good Fucking Riddance."
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And yet, this party's lies, both Trump-derived and otherwise, have given about two fifths of the national electorate their marching orders. They control the majority of state houses and judiciaries. We are fucked beyond belief.
 
Elixir said:
ideologyhunter said:
We are fucked beyond belief.
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I agree. 2024 may be the last chance for a major purge of Republican scumbags, and it will require the Dem machine to start hitting on all cylinders like, yesterday.
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The Democrats are kinda famous for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Nevertheless,
Much as I don't like Kamala Harris I think she'd be a better president than any of the other current choices. Like Hillary, I think she'd kick some serious ass.

So, the question is "How do we get Biden-Harris elected, let Biden fill the top offices, then dispose of him humanely?"
Sorry if that sounds like a modern conservative.
Tom

ETA ~Perhaps someone has the stomach to go figure out how Bush I did it back in the second Reagan administration.~
 
I think that Harris is being seriously underestimated by people, because she hasn't actually done much since ending up as VP. OTOH, the VP normally doesn't do much. It was different with Obama, because he relied on his VP's long experience in politics (which Harris doesn't have) and decided to use him a lot more. Biden may have been a little more reluctant to do that, especially after she tried to ambush him during the debates with that comment about bussing. Anyway, people will have low expectations for her during the 2024 campaign, so she could have more of a positive effect on the campaign than she appears to have in these very early days.
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
Looks like Jack Smith is about to slap Trump with a gag order. About bloody time!
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It looks like she has no alternative, but the question really comes down to what she will do if he ignores the gag order. I'm pretty sure that he will. He can't help himself.
 
Today a judge in NYC ruled that she has seen overwhelming evidence of Trump fraud (that should be one word, someday) in his bank and insurance declarations. This will jeopardize his ability to do business in NYC. At the very least, if we can't see this inflated tadpole do time, I want him to die cursing his decision to go into politics. He should curse the day he allowed himself to be put under the scrutiny that led to his $2 million fine for running a phony charity, his $25 million payoff to the rubes who signed up for Trump U, the conviction of his top execs at Trump Inc. for tax evasion, plus, obviously, the serious crimes that he's charged with, from his time in office. For everything this man has done to this country, I wish him the only comeuppance he'd care about: rage, bitterness, and the ridicule of the non-hypnotized in America.
 
Donald Trump found liable for fraud in New York civil case | Reuters
The scathing decision by Justice Arthur Engoron of New York state court in Manhattan will make it easier for state Attorney General Letitia James to establish damages at a scheduled Oct. 2 trial.

Engoron also ordered the cancellation of certificates that let some of Trump's businesses, including the Trump Organization, operate in New York, and ordered the appointment of a receiver to manage the businesses' dissolution.

The judge described how Trump, his adult sons Donald Jr. and Eric, the Trump Organization and other defendants made up valuations and inflated Trump's net worth to suit their business needs.

"That is a fantasy world, not the real world," Engoron wrote.

The judge also sanctioned the defendants' lawyers for making "preposterous" legal arguments and fueling their clients' "obstreperous" conduct.

Trump and the other defendants have argued that they never committed fraud, and that the challenged transactions were profitable. They plan to appeal Engoron's decision.
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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez questions Michael Cohen (C-SPAN) - YouTube -- noting the jumping valuations of some of Trump's property.
 
Judge leaves Trump asset sales up in the air after fraud ruling | Reuters
Justice Arthur Engoron at a hearing on Wednesday was asked by Trump's lawyer Christopher Kise about what he intended a day earlier by ordering the cancellation of business certificates that let some of Trump's businesses operate.

Engoron's ruling could force Trump to give up control to a receiver of properties including Manhattan's Trump Tower, golf courses and his family estate in a Manhattan suburb.

Trump's businesses "own physical assets like Trump Tower, like 40 Wall Street. Is the court under the impression those assets are to be sold or are they just to be managed under the monitor?" Kise asked.

"I'm not prepared to issue a ruling right now," Engoron responded.
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Also,
Engoron had found that Trump and his family business, the Trump Organization, repeatedly committed fraud over a decade by overvaluing his assets and net worth, in order to obtain better terms on loans and insurance.

The judge also found "conclusive evidence" that Trump had overstated his net worth as much as $2.2 billion.
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Trump fraudulently inflated his net worth by up to $2.2 billion, New York judge rules - POLITICO
Attorney General Tish James’ office “has submitted conclusive evidence” that the former president and his co-defendants overvalued their assets by between $812 million and $2.2 billion from the years 2014 to 2021, the judge, Arthur Engoron, wrote in a court filing. “Even in the world of high finance, this Court cannot endorse a proposition that finds a misstatement of at least $812 million to be ‘immaterial.’”
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What's his real net worth?
 
Trump on judge’s ruling he committed fraud: ‘This is not America’ | The Hill
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Truth Details | Truth Social
“It is a terrible reminder that the radical left Democrats will stop at nothing in trying to prevent me, and the American people, from winning the 2024 presidential election,” and “I am worth much more than the numbers shown on my financial statements. I didn’t even include my most valuable asset, my brand,” and “There were no victims!”

What a big baby. Does he need a diaper change?
 
Trump could lose control of famed properties under New York fraud ruling | The Hill
Trump listed his residence at Trump Tower on New York’s 5th Avenue at 30,000 square feet, despite it only being 10,996 square feet. It led to an overvaluation of between $114 million and $207 million, Engoron ruled.

“A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades, can only be considered fraud,” Engoron wrote.

At Trump Park Avenue, also in Manhattan, Engoron ruled the former president inflated the value of various units based on the “false premise” that they were not subject to the city’s strict rent control regime. Trump’s attorneys had countered that the units could potentially become unrestricted down the road.

“However, the SFCs are required to state ‘current’ values, not ‘someday, maybe’ values,” Engoron wrote.

Engoron’s ruling went on to find that Trump, by hundreds of millions of dollars, overvalued Trump Seven Springs, located in New York’s tony Westchester County, and Lower Manhattan’s 40 Wall Street. Trump also fraudulently valued his golf courses in the U.S. and one in Scotland, Engoron ruled.
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Not surprisingly,
Trump’s legal spokeswoman said Tuesday night that the former president intends to “immediately” appeal Engoron’s ruling.
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lpetrich said:
Trump on judge’s ruling he committed fraud: ‘This is not America’ | The Hill
noting
Truth Details | Truth Social
“It is a terrible reminder that the radical left Democrats will stop at nothing in trying to prevent me, and the American people, from winning the 2024 presidential election,” and “I am worth much more than the numbers shown on my financial statements. I didn’t even include my most valuable asset, my brand,” and “There were no victims!”

What a big baby. Does he need a diaper change?
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"...a victimless crime. Like punching someone in the dark" - Nelson Muntz
 
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