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South Carolina police officer investigated after slamming student to ground at Spring Valley High

Derec said:
AthenaAwakened said:
You talk to the student, you take the phone
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She refused to surrender the phone. That's what escalated the situation in the first place.
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So then you write her up.... yes, yes, this has all been said before.
"hand me the phone." "No" "i'm sorry to hear that, I will write your slip for detention. It will be at the office after school. If you fail to show up, further consequences will be applied. Now, where were we... Can we solve this equation for y if we..."

Derec this is done EVERY DAY in schools across the country. Effectively; minimizing disruption.

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Bottom line, NOTHING forces you to go nuclear if a teen says, "no" to you. You are not required to play their game. You are not required to lose your shit. If they disrupt your classroom a tiny bit, you are not required to disrupt it the rest of the way. Be the adult in the room.
 
Rhea said:
Derec said:
She refused to surrender the phone. That's what escalated the situation in the first place.
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So then you write her up.... yes, yes, this has all been said before.
"hand me the phone." "No" "i'm sorry to hear that, I will write your slip for detention. It will be at the office after school. If you fail to show up, further consequences will be applied. Now, where were we... Can we solve this equation for y if we..."

Derec this is done EVERY DAY in schools across the country. Effectively; minimizing disruption.

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Bottom line, NOTHING forces you to go nuclear if a teen says, "no" to you. You are not required to play their game. You are not required to lose your shit. If they disrupt your classroom a tiny bit, you are not required to disrupt it the rest of the way. Be the adult in the room.
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sounds like socialism
 
ksen said:
Rhea said:
So then you write her up.... yes, yes, this has all been said before.
"hand me the phone." "No" "i'm sorry to hear that, I will write your slip for detention. It will be at the office after school. If you fail to show up, further consequences will be applied. Now, where were we... Can we solve this equation for y if we..."

Derec this is done EVERY DAY in schools across the country. Effectively; minimizing disruption.

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Bottom line, NOTHING forces you to go nuclear if a teen says, "no" to you. You are not required to play their game. You are not required to lose your shit. If they disrupt your classroom a tiny bit, you are not required to disrupt it the rest of the way. Be the adult in the room.
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sounds like socialism
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That's is because you have your right-wing ears on. Take them off and put on your listening ears. How does it sound NOW? ;)
 
ksen said:
Rhea said:
So then you write her up.... yes, yes, this has all been said before.
"hand me the phone." "No" "i'm sorry to hear that, I will write your slip for detention. It will be at the office after school. If you fail to show up, further consequences will be applied. Now, where were we... Can we solve this equation for y if we..."

Derec this is done EVERY DAY in schools across the country. Effectively; minimizing disruption.

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Bottom line, NOTHING forces you to go nuclear if a teen says, "no" to you. You are not required to play their game. You are not required to lose your shit. If they disrupt your classroom a tiny bit, you are not required to disrupt it the rest of the way. Be the adult in the room.
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sounds like socialism
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Derec said:
laughing dog said:
And, frankly, it doesn't matter why this teenager was non-compliant. The police officer assaulted her even though she posed no physical threat to anyone.
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A police officer is authorized to use force to arrest a resisting subject, even if they pose no physical threat to anyone. That is not assault.
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Yes, it is assault. All you are saying is that police get dispensation to commit assault. But they do not get absolute dispensation. The physical force must be appropriate. For example, if the officer had taken out his firearm and either pistol-whipped her or shot her, that obviously (I would hope) would be excessive force. This was excessive force. You do an experiment - go into any room where someone is setting in a chair and flip it over. See if you get arrested for assault.
Derec said:
Why don't you do an experiment. Get one of those school desks, sit down somewhere where you are trespassing and resist the eventual arrest. Let's see if the cop uses force and whether anybody buys your claim that you are being assaulted.
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There are already posters here who agree this teenager was assaulted. The issue is not that the police officer acted but the actions themselves the officer took.
 
Another non-Stepford "child" merely "asserting himself" after "having a bad day".

If only "Officer Slam" was on hand to show that little punk what's what!
 
Derec said:
Another non-Stepford "child" merely "asserting himself" after "having a bad day".

If only "Officer Slam" was on hand to show that little punk what's what!
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Didn't you show this one already?

Anyway, officer slam wasn't in the room and therefore could have done nothing. Anything he did would have been after the fact. Just like this thread's case. And in both cases, if officer slam came in and did somethign worse, he would be unessesarily escalating the situation.

For contrast, what happened after this one? Did the person continue to slam everyone? Or did he stop? How was he stopped? Did it involve throwing him before handcuffing him?

These are important bits of information that you need to include in your story. Because if we're stopping right after what the girl "did to the teacher" in south carolina, all we have is a quiet girl in her seat saying "no" to a teacher.
 
Now they are in for it. Mr. Sex, Drugs, & Rock-n-Roll has spoken:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...teen-who-was-violently-arrested-had-it-coming

Nugent, proudly boasting that he was challenging “political correctness” and “liberal denial freaks,” wrote that he was proud of the officer for having “yanked the Spring Valley High School defiant brat out of her classroom desk and dragged her kicking and squealing like the disobedient punk she is.”

“Act like an animal and you will end up being treated like an animal,” he added.
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Yeah, take that you animal....:thinking:

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Toni said:
maxparrish said:
...Since he lacked the sense or the manners to do it before hand, this would have been an excellent opportunity for the officer to act like a decent human being and a competent law enforcement officer and identify himself. I believe that law officers are trained to identify themselves.
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She was new to the school. Why would she know who this guy was?
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We, the teacher, the administrator, and the teenager all know that this is not a case of mistaken identity - nor has anyone claimed it so. After refusing repeated requests to leave by the teacher, and then by the administrator they called in a uniformed police officer. She would have to be profoundly retarded to be unaware he was a lawful authority.

So let's not be silly. After refusing numerous requests from school authority and then the school police officer, her last act of passive-aggressive defiance was "I don't even know who you are". End of conversation.

[Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility, such as through procrastination, stubbornness, sullenness, or deliberate or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is (often explicitly) responsible.] (Wiki)

And WTF: now you are claiming that she was fat so he had to heave her out of the seat? I mean: WTF. WTF is wrong with you. Seriously. WTF.
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I thought what I claimed was written in plain English. Lets try reading for comprehension again, shall we?

"He moved quickly and forcefully, wrapping an arm around the neck and shoulders, and putting a hand under her thigh/knee to heave her from the seat. Being heavier and more thickly built than he may have anticipated, he changed direction and flips the desk backwards. She is still intertwined with the desk, and seemingly resisting. Fields robustly drags her across the slick classroom floor by her arms and leg dislodging the chair."

Try as I might I didn't find any reference to "being so fat" having "to heave her out of her seat". I did find that he seemingly attempted to FIRST heave her from the seat with both arms (poorly done), THEN flipped the desk backwards to dislodge her. I also noted she is not petite, but thickly built (greater than average), which does not define it as from fat or natural muscle.

There is no WTF about it. His execution was not genteel or executed perfectly. But it was not "brutal" or "extreme violence".

That's hardly IT. You are missing the part where he threw her across the room and dragged her. Even his boss found his behavior indefensible. And fired him.
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Sigh. Are folks so desperate to justify their outrage that they must resort to silly exaggeration? I didn't see her being thrown across the room, I saw her being heaved and jerked away from the desk and towards the officer. Anyone who uses the word "throw" knows it means "propel (something) with force through the air by a movement of the arm and hand." (a synonym being "tossed").

Did you see her leave the floor and fly through the air? Of course not. So she was vigorously heaved...meaning "to lift or haul (a heavy thing) with great effort." such as "she heaved the sofa back into place". Chose another synonym if you like: hauled, lugged, dragged, hefted, or yanked across the floor.

But please, don't be another disingenuous sensationalist or yellow journalist who gives a rats ass about accuracy.

"COLUMBIA, S.C. — A deputy who flipped a disruptive student out of her desk and tossed her across her math class floor was fired on Wednesday."

The sheriff called his actions "unacceptable," and said videos recorded by her classmates show the girl posed no danger to anyone.

"What he should not have done is throw the student," Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott said. "Police officers make mistakes too. They're human and they need to be held accountable, and that's what we've done with Deputy Ben Fields."

He body slammed her. He dragged her. He THREW her. According to his boss. Who actually watched ALL of the available video recordings.
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Having actually seen the video I am not impressed. Clearly the Sheriff is over-reacting and using inflammatory descriptions, most likely because all police departments are now hyper-sensitive to the ever present media race sensationalists and the salivating internet lynch mob. Even the least charitable view of the officer's actions is that his use of force was mildly excessive, a tad reckless, and poorly executed - nothing requiring termination of "the officer of the year" school award winner.

My goodness, you'd a thought she was beaten and kicked, or night sticked and tasered into submission.

As I said, "a nothing incident among 320M people, and 100,000 schools. No night sticking, macing, tasing, or shooting. No kicking or even hitting. Just the sudden application of raw physical force to drag out a student's ass out, that's it. Nothing but a bruised ego."

So what is the REAL problem? The real problem is pathological empathic disordered. We see uncontrollable primate melodrama : a hyper empathized identification with "a weak victim" of the troop (a "young girl" ), the instant knee-jerk hatred of "the other" as a strong authority ("the male primate brute"), and an egg shell thin dainty fear of any sudden physicality as "extreme violence".
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WTF. This behavior would have been beyond the ken if the student had been a white football player, although I doubt the officer would have attempted to throw him about the room and drag him around if the student had been near his size.

That behavior would have been unacceptable in ANY situation where there was no danger to other people, which the sheriff who viewed all of the videos and FIRED the officer claimed it was obvious that no one else was in any danger.
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The Sheriff is not being logical, he knows that those who resist lawful orders can be arrested with physical force. And it would be warranted for a white football player as well. It might have taken two beefy officers, or the application of taser, but it would be completely warranted. If a student refuses to comply with teachers, administrators, and police officers then the only means left to enforce a rule is physical force. Be it taking a five year by the arm and pulling the child of the room, or wrestling and/or tasering a football player.

The student got what she earned - period.

Sadly, such pathology does not care if she caused it, she earned it, or if it was necessary for any purpose. The mob hysteria even spreads to the FBI as worthy of an official investigation, and the only thing we lack is a Bonfire of the Vanities Reverend Bacon (Al Sharpton) and cynical politicians calling for "Justice" for a bruised and indigent ego of some teen in some school.
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The only pathology I see is yours and that of others of your ilk.
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You mean, you do not care if she caused it, earned it, or if it was necessary for any purpose. We got that.

People should not be outraged, they should be embarrassed.
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People should be outraged and ashamed. Deeply ashamed.
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Oh come now. Why don't you (and others) explain how you get an individual to leave a room, house, building, or stadium who refuses to leave? Sweet talk? A gift of cash? Donuts and coffee?

LOL...
 
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