Special Counsel investigation of Trump part 2

[ideologyhunter]

Remember, the basis of "Lock her up!" in '16 was the claim that Hillary was in violation of the Espionage Act by having a private server as Secy. of State. You really can't make this stuff up.
Also -- don't they realize, by looking at Mike Pence, that all Trump had to do, to avert this legal problem, was to COMPLY WITH THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES????? This makes him the biggest dumbass in the history of Dumbass Mountain.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Even Jonathan Turley is saying, on Fox News no less, that “it is an extremely damning indictment”. No way Trump can get out of it this time.

I think having the entire GOP behind him is going to give him an out.

There’s a conundrum: what do you do if you want to be President, but you know you have no shot unless Trump is convicted? How do you portray him as too much of a risk, without saying he’s going to the Big House?

 

[Elixir]

Even Jonathan Turley is saying, on Fox News no less, that “it is an extremely damning indictment”. No way Trump can get out of it this time.

I think having the entire GOP behind him is going to give him an out.

There’s a conundrum: what do you do if you want to be President, but you know you have no shot unless Trump is convicted? How do you portray him as too much of a risk, without saying he’s going to the Big House?

I think you’re fucked if you are counting on Cheato being in the Big House by Election Day. If there is an ongoing trial, it should not be hard to make a strong case that he is a menace, but if you‘re a tier two Republitard that’s not going to help you. Your best bet is to prepare your “I told you so” for after Cheato gets the nomination and loses BIGLY again. Better him than you getting trashed at the ballot box, right?

There is a huge segment of MAGAts that will just stay home if their boy isn’t in the race, and more who will write him in if he is removed or quits the ticket. Republicans are well and truly fucked at this point. Their best hope is eerily similar to Russia’s best hope; their leader needs an urgent appointment with their maker.

 

[ideologyhunter]

"Even if half of it is true, he's toast." - Bill Barr on His Orangeness, earlier today.
I realize that is like hearing the ordnance officer in charge of pitchforks down in hell saying that Satan crossed the line, but it's so much fun to think about. Can't imagine how the MAGAts hear that, but if a few of them gulp, so much the better.

 

[Shadowy Man]

"Even if half of it is true, he's toast." - Bill Barr on His Orangeness, earlier today.
I realize that is like hearing the ordnance officer in charge of pitchforks down in hell saying that Satan crossed the line, but it's so much fun to think about. Can't imagine how the MAGAts hear that, but if a few of them gulp, so much the better.

“If”?? Trump openly admitted on live television that he took classified documents. The only defense he has at this point is that he did somehow have some kind of standing order to automatically declassify and that it can stand up to legal muster. Even if that were true, he can’t legally own the stuff.

“Half” would still be almost 20 criminal counts.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

"Even if half of it is true, he's toast." - Bill Barr on His Orangeness, earlier today.
I realize that is like hearing the ordnance officer in charge of pitchforks down in hell saying that Satan crossed the line, but it's so much fun to think about. Can't imagine how the MAGAts hear that, but if a few of them gulp, so much the better.

“If”?? Trump openly admitted on live television that he took classified documents. The only defense he has at this point is that he did somehow have some kind of standing order to automatically declassify and that it can stand up to legal muster. Even if that were true, he can’t legally own the stuff.

“Half” would still be almost 20 criminal counts.

I think his handlers are going with "It's a witch hunt!" They don't have much else.

As to why he's still popular in the GOP that's obvious. The GOP is populated with the same kind of people. They want to get away with the same things. And if they can save Orange Manchild they are well on their way to success.

 

[marc]

Quick comedy interlude

Spoiler: Just a bit of fun

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

*In back alley way in Palm Beach*
*Russian pacing back and forth*
*Second Russian shows up*
Boris: You were supposed to be here 20 minutes ago!
Dmitri: I had to be careful I wasn't being followed.
Boris: What do you have to report?
Dmitri: Oh, it is awful.
Boris: You couldn't find the documents, The Kremlin will be disappointed.
Dmitri: No, it is worse than that.
Boris: Quoi?
Dmitri: I found them.
Boris: How is that bad?
Dmitri: I found them all!
Boris: You aren't making sense.
Dmitri: Over 100 boxes of documents!
Boris: Over 100 boxes?!
Dmitri: There has to be hundreds and hundreds of top secret files. Do you have any idea how long it'll take to get through all those?
Boris: Hundreds?! Are they all together?
Dmitri: Thankfully no. They are every where. Ballroom, storage rooms, bathroom, I even found one being used as a wrapper for a burrito I got for lunch.
Boris: Bathroom? Like a closet in the bathroom?
Dmitri: No.
Boris: As in a secret space adjacent to the bathroom?
Dmitri: No. As in right in front of the crapper in the bathroom.
Boris: Sacre le bleu..
Dmitri: What am I supposed to do?! I checked one box and there was no order. There were nuclear secrets, base deployments, blank White House sticky notes, two bottles of Adderall, powerpoint presentations with lots of pie charts, and big Mac wrappers, lots of Big Mac wrappers.
Boris: You'll need to do the best you can.
Dmitri: We don't have much time. The FBI has been communicating with Trump and he is shifting the documents around.
Boris: Oh mon dieu.
Dmitri: ... And because everything is just scattered about, there is no place to concentrate on and with so many files, I could easily get caught. It isn't like I can hang out in the ballroom discretely. I pretended to have gastric distress and hid in that bathroom for 20 minutes, but I only managed to get through half a box.
Boris: Continue doing your best mon ami. Hopefully Trump can hold off the FBI long enough.
Dmitri: Yes sir.

*Meanwhile in an adjacent alley*
*Chinese man pacing back and forth*
*Second Chinese man hurriedly walking in*
Cho: Bonjour...

 

[TomC]

*In back alley way in Palm Beach*
*Russian pacing back and forth*
*Second Russian shows up*
Boris: You were supposed to be here 20 minutes ago!
Dmitri: I had to be careful I wasn't being followed.
Boris: What do you have to report?
Dmitri: Oh, it is awful.
Boris: You couldn't find the documents, The Kremlin will be disappointed.
Dmitri: No, it is worse than that.
Boris: Quoi?
Dmitri: I found them.
Boris: How is that bad?
Dmitri: I found them all!
Boris: You aren't making sense.
Dmitri: Over 100 boxes of documents!
Boris: Over 100 boxes?!
Dmitri: There has to be hundreds and hundreds of top secret files. Do you have any idea how long it'll take to get through all those?
Boris: Hundreds?! Are they all together?
Dmitri: Thankfully no. They are every where. Ballroom, storage rooms, bathroom, I even found one being used as a wrapper for a burrito I got for lunch.
Boris: Bathroom? Like a closet in the bathroom?
Dmitri: No.
Boris: As in a secret space adjacent to the bathroom?
Dmitri: No. As in right in front of the crapper in the bathroom.
Boris: Sacre le bleu..
Dmitri: What am I supposed to do?! I checked one box and there was no order. There were nuclear secrets, base deployments, blank White House sticky notes, two bottles of Adderall, powerpoint presentations with lots of pie charts, and big Mac wrappers, lots of Big Mac wrappers.
Boris: You'll need to do the best you can.
Dmitri: We don't have much time. The FBI has been communicating with Trump and he is shifting the documents around.
Boris: Oh mon dieu.
Dmitri: ... And because everything is just scattered about, there is no place to concentrate on and with so many files, I could easily get caught. It isn't like I can hang out in the ballroom discretely. I pretended to have gastric distress and hid in that bathroom for 20 minutes, but I only managed to get through half a box.
Boris: Continue doing your best mon ami. Hopefully Trump can hold off the FBI long enough.
Dmitri: Yes sir.

*Meanwhile in an adjacent alley*
*Chinese man pacing back and forth*
*Second Chinese man hurriedly walking in*
Cho: Bonjour...

This would be funnier if you didn't have Russkies speaking French.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Naw, that hook paysoff with the Chinese.

 

[ZiprHead]

"If you wanna get to President Trump, you're gonna have to go through me, and you're gonna have to go through 75 million Americans just like me,” she claimed. “And I'm gonna tell you, most of us are card-carrying members of the NRA. - Kari Lake

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

This should surprise no one, but Trump is having trouble finding a Florida lawyer willing to sign on to the team. Florida requires practicing attorneys to be a member in good standing of the Florida bar or to be sponsored by one before appearing.

For some reason, the resignation of two of his attorneys has spooked a lot of candidates.

I’m gonna need more popcorn.

 

[Patooka]

Whoever's going to represent Trump better demand money up front. But that's common sense so...?

 

[bilby]

"If you wanna get to President Trump, you're gonna have to go through me, and you're gonna have to go through 75 million Americans just like me,” she claimed. “And I'm gonna tell you, most of us are card-carrying members of the NRA. - Kari Lake

If you want to get to President Trump, you're gonna have to go through a time portal that can take you back to a time before January 20th, 2021.

 

[Ford]

"If you wanna get to President Trump, you're gonna have to go through me, and you're gonna have to go through 75 million Americans just like me,” she claimed. “And I'm gonna tell you, most of us are card-carrying members of the NRA. - Kari Lake

Oh Kari...

You're not going to be standing between Trump and...anyone. 75 million Americans just like her?

Last time I checked, there aren't 75 million Americans who have hair and makeup people to get them ready to appear on stage at a rally or on a television appearance. I'd hazard a guess that if she needed to whip out her NRA card she'd need to have an assistant get it for her. A rifle? That would necessitate a whole team with cameras and lighting for the photo shoot. Someone to load the weapon for her and clean it when she got done firing it for the camera.

And while I have never met our pretend governor, I do know her former TV co-host, his wife, and a former producer at the station she was unceremoniously canned from. Rest assured, Lake will not be on the "front lines" defending the former President with a firearm. She might break a nail.

 

[bilby]

"If you wanna get to President Trump, you're gonna have to go through me, and you're gonna have to go through 75 million Americans just like me,” she claimed. “And I'm gonna tell you, most of us are card-carrying members of the NRA. - Kari Lake

Oh Kari...

You're not going to be standing between Trump and...anyone. 75 million Americans just like her?

Last time I checked, there aren't 75 million Americans who have hair and makeup people to get them ready to appear on stage at a rally or on a television appearance. I'd hazard a guess that if she needed to whip out her NRA card she'd need to have an assistant get it for her. A rifle? That would necessitate a whole team with cameras and lighting for the photo shoot. Someone to load the weapon for her and clean it when she got done firing it for the camera.

And while I have never met our pretend governor, I do know her former TV co-host, his wife, and a former producer at the station she was unceremoniously canned from. Rest assured, Lake will not be on the "front lines" defending the former President with a firearm. She might break a nail.

Sure, but she's not actually volunteering; She's just joining Trump and others in inciting people to use force to prevent him from being tried for his crimes.

You know, Seditious Conspiracy, as per 18 USC, Part I, Ch.115, §2384: "If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both". (my bold).

 

[blastula]

All these zingers are included in the indictment.

 

[blastula]

From a national security lawyer.

'If you want to die in jail, keep talking' – two national security law experts discuss the special treatment for Trump and offer him some advice

(The Conversation is an independent and nonprofit source of news, analysis and commentary...

www.ctpost.com

Under the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines, the consequences for Trump under this indictment are serious. My quick calculations indicate that you’re talking about 51 to 63 months in the best case and in the worst case, which I’m not sure would apply, 210 to 262 months.

 

[Elixir]

From a national security lawyer.

'If you want to die in jail, keep talking' – two national security law experts discuss the special treatment for Trump and offer him some advice

(The Conversation is an independent and nonprofit source of news, analysis and commentary...

www.ctpost.com

Under the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines, the consequences for Trump under this indictment are serious. My quick calculations indicate that you’re talking about 51 to 63 months in the best case and in the worst case, which I’m not sure would apply, 210 to 262 months.

So, no biggie for a guy who “could live to be 200”.

 

[blastula]

Some presidential indictment stats.