Quote Originally Posted by Syed View Post
Quote Originally Posted by C_Mucius_Scaevola View Post
54: The Moon
54:1 The hour drew nigh and the moon was rent in twain.
54:2 And if they behold a portent they turn away and say: Prolonged illusion.
that verse does NOT say that ---> prophet split the moon...........muslims say lot of nonsense with their mouth
So the moon was split then, T/F ???
What was the cause of this splitting ???
if you read quran in context moon wasn't split at all,
god was giving an example, even if moon split they will reject god
Gila Guerilla
what if that god does count all the sand grains in the universe
what is that mean to you? god does not exists ?
Please read my posts. I have mentioned many times, that I am looking at things in your belief, or according to your belief.
I am trying to understand what your belief is, to determine if your belief makes sense to me.
Please also note that I have been putting "God" in quotes, to denote that I am talking about
YOUR god in
YOUR belief. I also put the words "he" and "his" in quotes, to denote again that I am referring to the god in your belief,
Syed.
Should I not care about the nature of
YOUR in
YOUR belief, especially as you take up a lot of space in this thread telling us about this god
???
I am not sure if you are asking me to confirm that by "God" knowing how many grains of sand there are, it confirms that your god does not exist, then my answer no not at all. On its own, it merely gives me part of the picture of, the nature of
YOUR "God" in
YOUR belief. When I put it with other aspects of your belief,
then it may show that what you believe does not make sense - but I'm not able to say so yet. I am in the early stages of an investigation, and after posting this message, I am going to go back over all the postings since I got involved in this thread, and do follow ups where I think I need to, (for my sake).
It would be good if you stopped saying that "God"
counts grains of sand. I did not say that "he" does, I asked if "he" does or not, the reason being that if "God" knows the answer, then "he" has not need to count.
I have concluded that in
YOUR belief, "God" does NOT count grains of sand.
And the reason "he" does not, is because "he" knows the number, (in
YOUR belief), without any need to count them.
This was shown in this part of my earlier post :-
If "God" knows everything which it is possible to know, ("freewill" excepted), and if how many atoms, molecules and grains of sand is information that it is possible to know, then "God" must indeed know how many atoms, molecules and grains of sand there are in the universe. It is the only logical conclusion, isn't it ???
In that post, I asked a couple of questions which finished up with: "
It is the only logical conclusion, isn't it ?"
But you did not respond to those,
Syed.
Besides learning that "God" does not count grains of sand, because "he" already knows the number, I have also learned that moon wasn't split at all,
but that it was an example to suggest that, even if moon got split by "God", some people would still reject "God".
On the other hand, I would suggest that if "God" did split the moon, a lot of people, including atheists would give a great deal more consideration to the possibility of "God" actually existing.
Furthermore, if "God" wanted to convince any person of "his" existence, then "his" supposed knowledge and power would allow "him" to do that convincing. In that view, if people do not believe, then it MUST BE "God's" fault, (or decision), that they continue to not believe. This does not imply that "God" would need to break someone's gift of "freewill", merely that "he" would know what it would take for a person to believe. After all, loads of people do believe, and I presume they do so of their "free will", so something in the world was enough to convince them freely. So my atheism must be "God's will", in that case.
Depending on how you look at it, it is 'convenient' or '
inconvenient' that "God" has NOT split the moon. Can you imagine the news headlines if the moon split into two tonight ¿
{BTW The upside down question mark, (¿ ), denotes a rhetorical question which does not require an answer}
