They can do that fine. The question is how rational those fears are. Some people are scared by really stupid things like boogeymen and clowns and the ebola virus. While it's their life and they are free to be whatever kind of special snowflake they like and pee their bed until they're 50 because they don't want to get out from under the covers until it's morning, other people have no obligation to pretend that their phobias are anything but lame.
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They can do that fine. The question is how rational those fears are. Some people are scared by really stupid things like boogeymen and clowns and the ebola virus. While it's their life and they are free to be whatever kind of special snowflake they like and pee their bed until they're 50 because they don't want to get out from under the covers until it's morning, other people have no obligation to pretend that their phobias are anything but lame.
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I thought the trope was that people who fear that there is no afterlife invent an imaginary one as a palliative.
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Then there are people who think the whole question is silly. Some of us were simply brought up to embrace love more than hate, kindness more than cruelty, and find honest behavior to result in better feelings than dishonest behavior. Others.... not so much, and many of those "find religion" because it blunts their own pain when they are cruel to others, gives them a chance to apologize for being dishonest, and helps to rationalize their hatred.
I suppose it's true of such folk that without their religions, they'd feel no reason not to lie, cheat, steal, murder and rape.
I believe that having done those things they'd find out otherwise, with no help from any supernatural sky-daddy. Not much help to the victims, but it is sort of self rectifying within a social structure.
No, scientific land. We don't bridge in magic either. Except for unicorns, of course. Oh, and the power of our Dark Lord Satan.
the difference between you and me is, i said god created life and you said scientific land created life
we both agree we have a creator
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But we don't have to live in fear of disappointing science....
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Ah. You mean those who fear death is the end. I couldn't quite understand the way you phrased it.
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Note, you don't offer up any evidence FOR your god, just incredulity in the science you really know nothing about.
Kind of telling...
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Note the bait and switch. "Enjoy your life" morphs into "live like there's no tomorrow".
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Did you mean: "Which concept of god DOESN'T make sense to you that he knows who go to hell and who dont?" ¿
My reply to that question is that hell has nothing to do with my thinking, (not yet ~ I haven't considered it).
I take it that what matters to you, Syed, is that people believe in a god - it doesn't have to be the god of Islam. Also it does not matter that what they believe should be true ~ believing is enough !!! You are saying that any concept is good enough, so long as a god is at its root. The fact that a particular concept of "God" may be impossible, illogical or unconvincing, does not matter ???
Well it matters to me. If one is supposed to, (or expected to), believe in something that is impossible, illogical or unconvincing, well I for one, cannot do it.
For example, a concept of a timeless "God" which also has to wait for time to pass to find out certain things is a contradiction - it cannot be.
"God" can't transcend time, as well as be dependent upon its passing by. So only one of several conclusions MUST BE true :-
1. "God" does have knowledge of future events including ones which involve human "free will", (which you previously denied);
2. Humans don't have "free will", (as defined by you, and which you previously affirmed);
3. Some other options for "God": maybe "he" has no foreknowledge whatsoever;
4. "God" is imaginary, and there is no god, (this would get rid of all the logical problems which your beliefs bring up).
I agree with you, Syed, when you asked: {why would a "God" who already knew the outcome, set you a test? } What is your answer to your own question, Syed ???
I can't really continue figuring out whether your god is possible or impossible, Syed, until I get an even better picture of your concept of "God" and the universe.
For instance, what was there BEFORE the universe began, (in your belief system) ???
It seems that you have told me previously, that BEFORE the universe began, there was "God" and smoke.
If "God" created the universe, did "he" know what "he" was doing, in other words, does "his" omniscience extend back to BEFORE creation ???
What are the real and total limitations upon "God's" knowledge ???
-=O=- Please note that the answer to all questions are important to me, if I am to consider accepting the existence of such a god. -=O=-
-=O=- Note also, that you have taken it upon yourself, Syed, to tell us about "God" and to deny evolution. So you are the one who first chose to put "God" into the thread. -=O=-
But your concept of "God" is that "he" is time limited . . . "he" has to wait for acts of "free will" to occur, before "he" has knowledge of them. However, it makes no sense for a timeless being to have to wait for anything.
So is "God" timeless or not, and did time, space and matter begin at the creation of the universe, as this Islamic Educational Pamphlet tells us ???
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It's not a bait and switch.
Afterlife yes?
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Afterlife no?
Dawkins says if/since there's no afterlife you may as well live your life as if there's no afterlife.
Tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, the day after the day after tomorrow...whenever it comes Dawkins says DONT worry about it.
Who is he talking to? People who will be happier if there's no (theistic) afterlife.
But the trope is - people invented the afterlife because they WANT there to be such a thing. Dawkins billboard would scare such folks. It appeals to hedonists who want to live free from such consequences.
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You believe what you do because you don't appear to understand science. Science doesn't actually say that there is no God or gods, but that there is no evidence for the existence of a God or gods.
If any of these happen to exist, they remain hidden from us, giving us no evidence for their existence and therefore no basis to form a conviction in their existence.
As for the complexity of the world, that is nothing compared to the complexity of a Universe Creator.
Your solution is worse than the problem of complexity...which may just be a feature of the rules of physics in this cycle of a Universe, Multiverse, Branes, or something we have not even imagined yet.
''God did it'' is a simplistic cop out. The fact is, we don't know enough to say how the universe began, or even if it did have a beginning (cyclic models, etc)
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No, I don't. Life was not created, but formed in relation to the prevailing conditions; environment, complex chemistry, etc, just like now where we see life being maintained by environment and conditions conducive to life...with no hint of life being invisibly maintained by god and magic.
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Earth chemicals ARE life...
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Classic strawman fallacy.
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Nevertheless, Sparky, you're the one who morphed "enjoy your life" into "live like there's no tomorrow".
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Yes.
The bus message is quite consistent with buying insurance, taking out 30 year mortgages, trying to get promoted... All those things that require a tomorrow, but don't appear to require a deity to sponsor them.