The biggest argument for “bathroom bills” was destroyed by this study

[Jarhyn]

It dodges the issue entirely.

No it doesn't dodge the issue entirely.

You do raise a good distinction point, and rather than telling steve its a ridiculous question, you could have skipped to making that distinction. You are right that there is less security concern if there are lockable doors in cubicles, and especially if those are fully enclosed and can't be looked into or jumped over or reached under (rare). But what of change rooms and showers? I frequent a number of places where those are gender all inclusive as well.

So, I answered the question (in the same way anyone else should), but my answer makes it obvious that it was a bad question.

Really, what he was trying to argue was that parents shouldn't be caught out for failing their obligation to explain genital differences to children. If children are old enough to notice a genital difference, they are old enough that a parent should have explained that all at least a year or two earlier (as if that would ever happen in the scenario of a trans person existing in a public restroom; it's not like my husband uses urinals, so it's unlikely any dudes are going to see his vag, and it's not as if women's rooms have urinals in them or as if transwomen are going to be walking around with their pants down outside the stalls...).

So the scenario and implications are ridiculous on the face of it all. Even IF a parent somehow is so inept that they do not explain the differences before it is an issue, and even IF the child sees the difference and asks the question, you should, as a competent parent, just explain it.

 

[ZiprHead]

I always wash my penis in the sink after peeing. I’m assuming most trans people do the same and women would have to see that.

This reminds me of a scene in a movie called the negotiator.

One guy says, "in the navy, they teach us to wash our hands."

The other guy says, "in the Marines, they teach us not to piss on ours."

This reminds me of something.

I take a shower in the morning, thoroughly washing my twig and berries. I cover them in clean underwear then clean pants.

I use the bathroom standing, not touching anything but my thoroughly clean junk, peeing out sterile urine.

I am then supposed to clean my hands afterwards. If anything, my hands prior to touching my bits are far dirtier than my bits. I would think handwashing before urinating would be the better plan, for men anyway.

 

[WAB]

I always wash my penis in the sink after peeing. I’m assuming most trans people do the same and women would have to see that.

Yeah but do you swing it while you are washing it?

Of course. Doing that helps to ensure that everyone else in the room is suitably impressed by it.

I try to swing mine, but it doesn't work very well with the tweezers. And it hurts.

 

[laughing dog]

I always wash my penis in the sink after peeing.

It's not nice to brag. But I'm sure Mrs. Tom Sawyer is happy.

 

[ZiprHead]

I always wash my penis in the sink after peeing.

It's not nice to brag. But I'm sure Mrs. Tom Sawyer is happy.

Not if Tom's trying to play pool with a rope.

 

[fast]

I always wash my penis in the sink after peeing.

It's not nice to brag. But I'm sure Mrs. Tom Sawyer is happy.

This reminds me of something.

Guys are so often single-minded and strive for the same thing. So many guys are so alike. They're just interested in one thing: to walk up and stick it in.

Not me. No sir-ee. I'm different. I stick it in ... THEN walk up.

In other news, did anyone read the thread title and think of people being charged to use public restrooms? I recalled a game from years ago (roller coaster tycoon) where I'd charge a dime to use the facilities. Or is it just me? Could of just been me. Carry on.

 

[Jarhyn]

I always wash my penis in the sink after peeing.

It's not nice to brag. But I'm sure Mrs. Tom Sawyer is happy.

This reminds me of something.

Guys are so often single-minded and strive for the same thing. So many guys are so alike. They're just interested in one thing: to walk up and stick it in.

Not me. No sir-ee. I'm different. I stick it in ... THEN walk up.

In other news, did anyone read the thread title and think of people being charged to use public restrooms? I recalled a game from years ago (roller coaster tycoon) where I'd charge a dime to use the facilities. Or is it just me? Could of just been me. Carry on.

Yeah, it was just you. Besides, in Tycoon, you are supposed to charge orders of magnitude more; how else are you supposed to make money, when all your roller coasters are 100% lethal?

 

[fast]

This reminds me of something.

Guys are so often single-minded and strive for the same thing. So many guys are so alike. They're just interested in one thing: to walk up and stick it in.

Not me. No sir-ee. I'm different. I stick it in ... THEN walk up.

In other news, did anyone read the thread title and think of people being charged to use public restrooms? I recalled a game from years ago (roller coaster tycoon) where I'd charge a dime to use the facilities. Or is it just me? Could of just been me. Carry on.

Yeah, it was just you. Besides, in Tycoon, you are supposed to charge orders of magnitude more; how else are you supposed to make money, when all your roller coasters are 100% lethal?

In real life, I've seen (at a county fair) where there were maintainence people manning the bathrooms. Dunning 'tips' with a thank you upon exiting. That was so messed up, I thought. But in the game, sure, i charged outrageously high prices (kept em all happy too), but the rest rooms? I toyed around with 10 cents, but it never really felt right, but then again, building a platform above water and trapping the entire park there and removing the walk way and watching them all fall and drown, well, that was cool.

 

[Bronzeage]

Everything but the issue.

You have friends over. If your 7 or 8 year old girl was taking a shower would you be comfortable with 30+ n adult make going in and taking a leak?

Simple yes or no answer.

It's a good a time as any to have that "Why does Miss Joan have a penis?" discussion.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Everything but the issue.

You have friends over. If your 7 or 8 year old girl was taking a shower would you be comfortable with 30+ n adult make going in and taking a leak?

Simple yes or no answer.

1) Showers are usually in stalls of some sort.

2) I would have no problem with it, anyway. I don't believe the sight of the opposite sex body does anyone any harm. (Note that flashers are a different situation. A law against nudity makes it easier to distinguish harmless nudity from flashing but that doesn't make harmless nudity flashing.)

 

[Lion IRC]

Everything but the issue.

You have friends over. If your 7 or 8 year old girl was taking a shower would you be comfortable with 30+ n adult make going in and taking a leak?

Simple yes or no answer.

If they were transgender it would be perfectly OK

And anyone who says otherwise is a homophobic, transphobic, Christofascist hater.

Kids using public toilets need to learn to get comfortable with adults freely expressing their sexuality and gender identity.

Gay children and transgender children would probably even benefit from more exposure.
It would help them come out.

And wouldn't the world be a better place if children were able to freely express what type of sex they prefer.

 

[southernhybrid]

When I was a five year old girl, I knew what a penis was because some of the little boys in the neighborhood liked to brag about how they could pee outside while standing up and they showed me exactly how it was done. I didn't have penis envy but I did envy them for being able to pee outside while standing up.

I really doubt that trans females, want to flash their penises in the women's restrooms. There is only one disgusting thing that bothers me in the women's rest room. Some women pee all over the damn seat but don't have the courtesy to wipe their piss off. Some don't even flush the toilet after they shit. Now that bothers me. Just today, I had to use a public rest room and there was piss all over the seat. Ew. For that matter, some of the women coming and going in and out of the rest room were so unattractive, that I have no idea what gender they were, nor did I care. In my 69 years, I've never yet seen a penis in the women's room. No. Not even once. But I do prefer those private unisex restrooms because you don't have to worry about someone in the next stall taking a shit and smelling up the place before you have a chance to leave. There have been times when I've wanted to scream, "Courtesy flush bitch! Will you please give the rest of us a courtesy flush". But, I'm too polite to do that, so I suffer in silence. Such a first world problem. Really it is.

 

[Lion IRC]

Transgender Man Sexually Assaults Female Inmates

It's not only preferential options for toilets and change rooms.

They also get their choice of prison.

A man who believes zhe is a woman and who was charged with raping a (real) woman - oh yeah, zhe is also a convicted paedophile btw - told the authorities zhe identified as a woman and was therefore immediately remanded into a women's prison.

Phew! SJW PC outrage junkie crisis averted.

 

[Rhea]

Maybe in adutlt public bathrooms.

Does anyone want young girls to be exposed to a penis in a restroom before they are old enough to make sense of it?

What “sense” do they have to make of it - any more than the sense they have to make of your knees?

My kids have been going in the “wrong” restroom all of their growing years, going in whichever one matches the parent they happen to be with. They never cared at all. (Though my daughter did once see a very large woman at the grocery store and stage whisper, “mama, did you see that woman? She must have a very large vulva!!”). They’ve both seen both their parents naked nearly every day in our shared bathroom. As for making sense of penises, I explained to them long ago - “you’ve seen two, you’ve seen em all.”

Weird prudish destuctive religionists!

 

[Rhea]

In other news, did anyone read the thread title and think of people being charged to use public restrooms? I recalled a game from years ago (roller coaster tycoon) where I'd charge a dime to use the facilities. Or is it just me? Could of just been me. Carry on.

You can thank the women for your free public pooping, you know. It used to be common to have pay toilets in the US.

Women sued and won; that charging a dime for bathroom stall discriminated against women who had to pay to pee and poop, while men ony had to pay to poop.

You’re welcome!

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

In other news, did anyone read the thread title and think of people being charged to use public restrooms? I recalled a game from years ago (roller coaster tycoon) where I'd charge a dime to use the facilities. Or is it just me? Could of just been me. Carry on.

Yer not alone in having that come to mind. They still have pay per use toilets in Thailand. It seems like extortion to me, since you can get in trouble for peeing in the street. Come to think of it, the same could be said for buying clothes.

 

[RavenSky]

nm

 

[bilby]

The idea that merely seeing a naked adult could cause harm of any kind to a child is batshit crazy nonsense that could only come from the insanity that is organised religion.

The bizarre idea that casually and incidentally seeing a naked body is in any way related to sexual behaviour is a disgraceful and ugly bit of puritanism that is worthy of the morons who covered table legs lest they arouse uncontrollable lusts in any men who saw them.

FFS people, it's the twenty first century. Not the nineteenth.

 

[crazyfingers]

Maybe in adutlt public bathrooms.

Does anyone want young girls to be exposed to a penis in a restroom before they are old enough to make sense of it?

Are you fucking playing us? Since when do women's bathrooms have urinals? They all have toilet stalls only, with doors.

Is there more dumbing down we need to do for you on this?

 

[crazyfingers]

Wasn't sure if this would be better in Religion, as all bathroom bills are based on xtian garbage...

One of the main arguments behind so-called “bathroom bills” — which restrict a transgender person’s public bathroom usage to the gender on their birth certificate rather than whatever aligns with their identity — just took a major beating.


Researchers at the UCLA School of Law’s Williams Institute, a think tank focused on gender identity, released a study Wednesday showing there's no statistically significant evidence behind the charge that transgender bathroom access and bathroom-related crimes are related.


Because Massachusetts passed an anti-discrimination law that some say threatens public safety — and are now trying to overturn in a ballot initiative — the researchers zeroed in on restroom crime reports in the state before the anti-discrimination provision was adopted.


The researchers found no increase in crime and no difference between cities with and without the restrictive bathroom policies in the first-of-its-kind study. That’s a blow to activists who argue trans rights risk safety to women and children in the restroom,.

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...st-bathroom-bills-was-destroyed-by-this-study

While it's nice that these people did this research, we all know that the bigots and etc... are imune to facts, logic, datea, and all evidence. No factual study will sway Trump's people and I say Trump's people because I strongly suspect they the Bathroom Bill people and Trump's people are largely the same people.

All imune to reality.