The biggest argument for “bathroom bills” was destroyed by this study

[RavenSky]

Sorry. I mixed up the quote/story. (My bad)
The story about Mr Weinstein isn't even relevant.

Bilby was talking about the 'harmlessness' of exposing your genitals to children.

"exposing your genitals to children" - A claim you still have not supported and is therefore, rightfully, ignored.

 

[RavenSky]

Bathroom stalls for everyone? That would solve almost any issue that a rational person would have.

A wall of urinals in a mixed gender bathroom? It would totally depend on the venue but generally, I'm not in favor.

Imagine you are meeting your beloved's parents for the first time. Would you want to walk past your beloved's father/grandfather standing at a urinal? Or have your beloved's mother or grandmother walk past you at a urinal?

First date: Would you want to walk past your date at a urinal? Be seen by your date at a urinal?

Would you want to see your first grade teacher/high school chemistry teacher/principal at a urinal? Be seen by your high school chemistry/principal/lunch lady/whoever at a urinal? Either as a student or 20 years later?

All of these can be solved by diving restrooms into urinals and stalls--you don't have to walk past the urinals to get to the stalls. It's a much more logical division than male and female.

What Loren said.

We have several nightclubs / restaurant with unisex bathrooms, and that is exactly how it's done.

 

[RavenSky]

You are watching TV with your kids. You're feeling frisky so you wife gives you a blow job.

No problem, kids can figure it all out..right?

Another one who doesn't know the difference between sexual activity and simple nudity.

No wonder women are raped, and there is such a thing as a burqa

 

[Rhea]

You are watching TV with your kids. You're feeling frisky so you wife gives you a blow job.

No problem, kids can figure it all out..right?

Another one who doesn't know the difference between sexual activity and simple nudity.

No wonder women are raped, and there is such a thing as a burqa

I'm still laughing at the part where YOU are feeling frisky so YOUR WIFE does something about it.

 

[Toni]

Bathroom stalls for everyone? That would solve almost any issue that a rational person would have.

A wall of urinals in a mixed gender bathroom? It would totally depend on the venue but generally, I'm not in favor.

Imagine you are meeting your beloved's parents for the first time. Would you want to walk past your beloved's father/grandfather standing at a urinal? Or have your beloved's mother or grandmother walk past you at a urinal?

First date: Would you want to walk past your date at a urinal? Be seen by your date at a urinal?

Would you want to see your first grade teacher/high school chemistry teacher/principal at a urinal? Be seen by your high school chemistry/principal/lunch lady/whoever at a urinal? Either as a student or 20 years later?

All of these can be solved by diving restrooms into urinals and stalls--you don't have to walk past the urinals to get to the stalls. It's a much more logical division than male and female.

What Loren said.

We have several nightclubs / restaurant with unisex bathrooms, and that is exactly how it's done.

I’m not sure why urinals are necessary.

 

[Lion IRC]

Sorry. I mixed up the quote/story. (My bad)
The story about Mr Weinstein isn't even relevant.

Bilby was talking about the 'harmlessness' of exposing your genitals to children.

"exposing your genitals to children" - A claim you still have not supported and is therefore, rightfully, ignored.

I don't have to support anything.
bilby certainly didn't support the emphatic CLAIM that indecent exposure is harmless to children.

 

[bilby]

Sorry. I mixed up the quote/story. (My bad)
The story about Mr Weinstein isn't even relevant.

Bilby was talking about the 'harmlessness' of exposing your genitals to children.

"exposing your genitals to children" - A claim you still have not supported and is therefore, rightfully, ignored.

I don't have to support anything.
bilby certainly didn't support the emphatic CLAIM that indecent exposure is harmless to children.

As I did not make that claim, I have no need to support it.

 

[Lion IRC]

"The idea that merely seeing a naked adult could cause harm of any kind to a child is batshit crazy nonsense"

There's no disambiguation as to context there.

 

[Lion IRC]

Perhaps our freethinker bilby shall give us his declaration as to the harmlessness or otherwise of naked children being "merely seen" by adults in public changing rooms.

 

[RavenSky]

What Loren said.

We have several nightclubs / restaurant with unisex bathrooms, and that is exactly how it's done.

I’m not sure why urinals are necessary.

From the perspective of the building owner, cheaper to install and maintain, uses less water, theoretically easier to clean. Also tends to allow quicker in/out for the men who use them.

Doesn't matter to me if a builder chooses to use all stalls. I just don't see a mix of both as a problem either.

 

[RavenSky]

Sorry. I mixed up the quote/story. (My bad)
The story about Mr Weinstein isn't even relevant.

Bilby was talking about the 'harmlessness' of exposing your genitals to children.

"exposing your genitals to children" - A claim you still have not supported and is therefore, rightfully, ignored.

I don't have to support anything.
bilby certainly didn't support the emphatic CLAIM that indecent exposure is harmless to children.

I am talking to you. You continue to make your twisted claim without supporting it with facts.

(That's because you have no facts, just your own bias.)

 

[laughing dog]

"The idea that merely seeing a naked adult could cause harm of any kind to a child is batshit crazy nonsense"

There's no disambiguation as to context there.

There is because you left out part of the quote.

The entire quote is

The idea that merely seeing a naked adult could cause harm of any kind to a child is batshit crazy nonsense that could only come from the insanity that is organised religion..

The bizarre idea that casually and incidentally seeing a naked body is in any way related to sexual behaviour is a disgraceful and ugly bit of puritanism that is worthy of the morons who covered table legs lest they arouse uncontrollable lusts in any men who saw them.

If you cannot tell why the entire quote paints a different picture than your mined quote, then rational discussion is simply not possible.

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Perhaps our freethinker bilby shall give us his declaration as to the harmlessness or otherwise of naked children being "merely seen" by adults in public changing rooms.

It is harmless to see naked children in public changing rooms. Why on earth would any person think otherwise?

 

[Lion IRC]

I don't have to support anything.
bilby certainly didn't support the emphatic CLAIM that indecent exposure is harmless to children.

I am talking to you. You continue to make your twisted claim without supporting it with facts.

(That's because you have no facts, just your own bias.)

I don't know why you're talking to me.
What unsupported claim are you accusing me of making?

 

[bilby]

"The idea that merely seeing a naked adult could cause harm of any kind to a child is batshit crazy nonsense"

There's no disambiguation as to context there.

Sure there is. 'merely seeing' does not include 'being made to see by an adult for the adult's sexual purposes'.

Your biases are blinding you to the obvious. As usual.

Seeing a penis is not harmful. Interacting with an adult who actively desires that you look at his penis may well be.

 

[bilby]

Perhaps our freethinker bilby shall give us his declaration as to the harmlessness or otherwise of naked children being "merely seen" by adults in public changing rooms.

Seeing naked children does not cause harm to either party.

Actively seeking to view naked children for sexual gratification is a completely different thing.

Despite your stunted ideology telling you that the nakedness is the issue, it remains unimportant. Nakedness and the mere observation of a naked person is not in itself a cause of harm to anyone. Simplistic religious doctrine designed to brainwash simpletons does not change that simple fact.

Your religion's unhealthy obsession with sex, that leads you to conclude a sexual motive for any instance of human nakedness, is truly vile and depraved. No wonder the RCC is riddled with rapists and sexual abusers; The entire doctrine is biased towards the sexualization of non-sexual situations, apparently for the sole purpose of generating feelings of guilt by which the church can control its adherents. It's disgusting.

 

[Toni]

What Loren said.

We have several nightclubs / restaurant with unisex bathrooms, and that is exactly how it's done.

I’m not sure why urinals are necessary.

From the perspective of the building owner, cheaper to install and maintain, uses less water, theoretically easier to clean. Also tends to allow quicker in/out for the men who use them.

Doesn't matter to me if a builder chooses to use all stalls. I just don't see a mix of both as a problem either.

I guess it bothers me that there are special accommodations for males that are not/or similar are not available to women, and that there is an unequal distribution of resources.

I understand that it is cheaper. I could argue about easier to clean, given what I've seen left in urinals but hey.

 

[bilby]

From the perspective of the building owner, cheaper to install and maintain, uses less water, theoretically easier to clean. Also tends to allow quicker in/out for the men who use them.

Doesn't matter to me if a builder chooses to use all stalls. I just don't see a mix of both as a problem either.

I guess it bothers me that there are special accommodations for males that are not/or similar are not available to women, and that there is an unequal distribution of resources.

I understand that it is cheaper. I could argue about easier to clean, given what I've seen left in urinals but hey.

Well the provision of urinals means that men who only need to pee don't occupy a stall that women are lining up for, so the distribution of resources is not really that inequitable.

Certainly there should not be as many urinals as there are stalls; The numbers of each should be allocated to roughly equalize wait times between men and women, while minimizing both.

Many architectural guidelines and standards fail to do this, and instead go for the allocation of equal floor area, or equal numbers of (stalls plus urinals), but neither of these simplistic rules is really fair - Provision of equal space, in particular, is hugely unfair to women, and is the reason why the line for the ladies is almost always longer than for the men at large venues.

A balance between urinal and stall provision that both minimizes wait times and equalizes them for both genders would imply somewhere in the order of 3 stalls or more, for every one urinal position.

 

[phands]

The only people who seem to expose their genitals to kids are true xtians.

 

[Rhea]

"The idea that merely seeing a naked adult could cause harm of any kind to a child is batshit crazy nonsense"

There's no disambiguation as to context there.

Perhaps our freethinker bilby shall give us his declaration as to the harmlessness or otherwise of naked children being "merely seen" by adults in public changing rooms.

Again, there is NOTHING wrong with seeing someone naked. One would think that religionists would be happy with this return to Eden? They are so weird.

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Your religion's unhealthy obsession with sex, that leads you to conclude a sexual motive for any instance of human nakedness, is truly vile and depraved. .

And THAT is indeed the rub (if you'll pardon the pun). I recall a child being at our house when a very minor incident of "nudity" happened - i.e. a male child was changing in the bathroom and the door was not closed. He was around the corner, and no one could see him, it was just clear that in there was a half naked boy, who continued to participate in the conversation as he changed out of his swimsuit.

The expression on one of the girl-child's faces was so interesting, she was clearly thinking ALL ABOUT naked boy because she had been raised to think nudity = sexuality. While the rest of the kids were like, "yeah, I totally loved that book, too!" She had been raised in this creepy destructive way that even the knowledge that someone was changing in another room created sexual tension. I felt bad for her, burdened with such a harmful and destructive predatory doctrine. She was overwhelmed by the twisted doctrine.

 

[phands]

There is because you left out part of the quote.

The entire quote is


If you cannot tell why the entire quote paints a different picture than your mined quote, then rational discussion is simply not possible.

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Perhaps our freethinker bilby shall give us his declaration as to the harmlessness or otherwise of naked children being "merely seen" by adults in public changing rooms.

It is harmless to see naked children in public changing rooms. Why on earth would any person think otherwise?

You can't mean that LIRC got caught cherry-picking? Again?

xtianity truly is mind-rotting garbage.