The Cold Blooded Murder Of Renee Good

[Tigers!]

I guess we'll have to wait until November to see if we're officially done as a democracy

It's fair to say it was given up a while back. The winner of every Presidential Election is "did not vote".

Tragically that is true.

 

[Tigers!]

As for blocking traffic, I mean who in their right mind park basically between police cars in the middle of some kind of operation?
park away and walk to the protest. But she was leaving and doing that quite peacefully until ICE agent decided to storm her door.

What is happening to the world?
Barbos is talking sense instead of nonsense.

 

[Tigers!]

That's no excuse. When you have a gun it is your responsibility to refrain from shooting (at) anyone without justificiation.

It was an involuntary (automatic) shooting. There was not any time to think.
I put the blame on the other agent.

Is that why he called her a fucking bitch after he killed her and refused to allow a medical doctor to provide aid?

And why he was holding his cell phone and recording the encounter the entire time?

Self protection?

 

[Tigers!]

But what was happneing 10secs before the videoes we see?

Do you want to speculate what could have happened 10 seconds before the video that could justify Good's murder.

That is what I am asking. We just do not know.
Did she/they yell abuse at the ICE (doubt their parentage etc.).
Speed in?
I do not know

 

[Tigers!]

That's no excuse. When you have a gun it is your responsibility to refrain from shooting (at) anyone without justificiation.

It was an involuntary (automatic) shooting. There was not any time to think.
I put the blame on the other agent.

Is that why he called her a fucking bitch after he killed her and refused to allow a medical doctor to provide aid?

If someone trying to run over you would call them that too and do so involuntary.
As for the doctors, police procedures do not allow that I was told.

After you shot them in the face?

I thought she was shot from behind as the car moved off? How was she shot in the face?

Besides, no one tried to run anyone over no one hit anyone’s crotch with a car. I can see why his tiny little penis might have shrunk even more when the woman did not cower before his might. That would have been painful. I can even see why he was afraid she might run him over as he apparently toy was dealing with untreated PTSD from something that had happened months prior and did not involve her. That was reason enough that he should not have been out on the street

He flat out murdered her and recorded it

 

[Toni]

That's no excuse. When you have a gun it is your responsibility to refrain from shooting (at) anyone without justificiation.

It was an involuntary (automatic) shooting. There was not any time to think.
I put the blame on the other agent.

Is that why he called her a fucking bitch after he killed her and refused to allow a medical doctor to provide aid?

If someone trying to run over you would call them that too and do so involuntary.
As for the doctors, police procedures do not allow that I was told.

After you shot them in the face?

I thought she was shot from behind as the car moved off? How was she shot in the face?

Besides, no one tried to run anyone over no one hit anyone’s crotch with a car. I can see why his tiny little penis might have shrunk even more when the woman did not cower before his might. That would have been painful. I can even see why he was afraid she might run him over as he apparently toy was dealing with untreated PTSD from something that had happened months prior and did not involve her. That was reason enough that he should not have been out on the street

He flat out murdered her and recorded it

First shot went through the front windshield. The other two were through the open window.

 

[Arctish]

That's no excuse. When you have a gun it is your responsibility to refrain from shooting (at) anyone without justificiation.

It was an involuntary (automatic) shooting. There was not any time to think.
I put the blame on the other agent.

Is that why he called her a fucking bitch after he killed her and refused to allow a medical doctor to provide aid?

And why he was holding his cell phone and recording the encounter the entire time?

Self protection?

What protection does a cell phone offer that following their training and the rules of conduct doesn't?

And is that protection sufficient to offset the disadvantage of holding onto a cell phone with one hand while drawing one's sidearm with the other?

It seems to me that if a situation was dangerous enough to justify pulling out a gun then the recording should have been immediately abandoned and the cell phone dropped.

 

[crazyfingers]

That's no excuse. When you have a gun it is your responsibility to refrain from shooting (at) anyone without justificiation.

It was an involuntary (automatic) shooting. There was not any time to think.
I put the blame on the other agent.

Is that why he called her a fucking bitch after he killed her and refused to allow a medical doctor to provide aid?

And why he was holding his cell phone and recording the encounter the entire time?

Self protection?

What protection does a cell phone offer that following their training and the rules of conduct doesn't?

Perhaps the ICE goons should have body cams. A judge ordered them to do it in Portland I think. Maybe Chicago. Either way, there is too much violence going on with ICE for them not to have them but Noem, Miller and Trump like it for them not to have them.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

The Four Seconds Everyone Missed

Could you summarize his points?

He shows that while Ms Goode’s car is in reverse, the killer is pulling his firearm out. So he had decided to shoot before he was in “danger”.

He had time to pull his gun out, so he also had time to step backwards away from any alleged danger to him, but chose the bad option of these two instead, and then compounded it by actually shooting with the gun, and several times.

My twin fears:

Soon, very soon, people will begin to fight back. I’m talking about someone shoving a blade into the belly of an out of control ICE agent.

The other fear?

Nobody will.

People have started running ICE agents away from some locations. I am surprised that with all the continuous propaganda over decades about American individualism that there have not already been actual attacks on ICE agents, especially since they are engaged in illegal activities. If this murderer isn't prosecuted (and that seems likely since FBI is in charge of investigation and they have been suborned by Trump) then things could escalate to reactive violence triggered by this incident and the responses to it by Trump, Vance, Noem, and the FBI.

Had the police responded in likewise force against the January 6th protesters, scores of people would have been killed.

I don't see any sixers using cars during storming. And police we know was outnumbered and could not do anything.

The fact the J6 police were outnumbered is justification for them using guns, as also the fact they actually were in danger (unlike where most cases of 'they feared for their lives' is baloney). Their actual non-violent response shows how restrained they were in their behaviour, and is a credit to their professionalism and decency. The one shooting by a police officer, that of Ashli Babbitt, was totally justified, as she was committing a felony and attempting to enable a mass attack by the subversives.

Not a right to arbitrarily block passage on a road. I need to get a permit to do as such. Though I'm uncertain what happened before the video, why her car was like that and why a video was started to start with.

Those questions are reasonable ones.
When I look at videoes about incidents like this I am always wondering why have we not seen? What happened seconds before the video started. Context does matter.
She should not have been shot and killed.
But what was happneing 10secs before the videoes we see?

What happened ten seconds beforehand is totally irrelevant.

And you absolutely know that because of your super powers?

It does not require super powers (which I lack as far as I know) but simple reasoning. Firstly, ten seconds is a very long period of time in the overall actions of situations like this, and there is no apparent relationship between anything that happened before and what is seen to actually occur. Secondly, we can see what was happening had no relationship to what may have happened ten seconds before, as it is in the now. Thirdly, what could have happened ten seconds before that could have caused the actions seen? Logically, nothing.

To believe that there was any such relationship between two such temporally distant events requires ridiculous hypotheses that do not correspond to any possible reality. In this case you really can believe your eyes.

 

[Toni]

Another shooting by ICE in Minneapolis. Situation developing.

Live: As ICE operation winds down, Minnesotans grapple with what it leaves behind

Residents are talking about their trauma and the “economic devastation” left by the aggressive deportation operation.

www.startribune.com

A man was shot in the leg Wednesday night during a federal immigration enforcement operation in north Minneapolis, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation.

 

[laughing dog]

The Four Seconds Everyone Missed

Could you summarize his points?

He shows that while Ms Goode’s car is in reverse, the killer is pulling his firearm out. So he had decided to shoot before he was in “danger”.

He had time to pull his gun out, so he also had time to step backwards away from any alleged danger to him, but chose the bad option of these two instead, and then compounded it by actually shooting with the gun, and several times.

My twin fears:

Soon, very soon, people will begin to fight back. I’m talking about someone shoving a blade into the belly of an out of control ICE agent.

The other fear?

Nobody will.

People have started running ICE agents away from some locations. I am surprised that with all the continuous propaganda over decades about American individualism that there have not already been actual attacks on ICE agents, especially since they are engaged in illegal activities. If this murderer isn't prosecuted (and that seems likely since FBI is in charge of investigation and they have been suborned by Trump) then things could escalate to reactive violence triggered by this incident and the responses to it by Trump, Vance, Noem, and the FBI.

Had the police responded in likewise force against the January 6th protesters, scores of people would have been killed.

I don't see any sixers using cars during storming. And police we know was outnumbered and could not do anything.

The fact the J6 police were outnumbered is justification for them using guns, as also the fact they actually were in danger (unlike where most cases of 'they feared for their lives' is baloney). Their actual non-violent response shows how restrained they were in their behaviour, and is a credit to their professionalism and decency. The one shooting by a police officer, that of Ashli Babbitt, was totally justified, as she was committing a felony and attempting to enable a mass attack by the subversives.

Not a right to arbitrarily block passage on a road. I need to get a permit to do as such. Though I'm uncertain what happened before the video, why her car was like that and why a video was started to start with.

Those questions are reasonable ones.
When I look at videoes about incidents like this I am always wondering why have we not seen? What happened seconds before the video started. Context does matter.
She should not have been shot and killed.
But what was happneing 10secs before the videoes we see?

What happened ten seconds beforehand is totally irrelevant.

And you absolutely know that because of your super powers?

I can understand why you would think rational thought is a super power. But it isn’t.

There is no report or accusation of violence between those two before the video starts in media anywhere.

 

[barbos]

I guess we'll have to wait until November to see if we're officially done as a democracy

It's fair to say it was given up a while back. The winner of every Presidential Election is "did not vote".

Tragically that is true.

Yeah, democrats should start promoting infringement on freedom to not vote.
Otherwise, freaks on both end of the spectrum continue to elect .... freaks.

 

[crazyfingers]

Another shooting by ICE in Minneapolis. Situation developing.

Live: As ICE operation winds down, Minnesotans grapple with what it leaves behind

Residents are talking about their trauma and the “economic devastation” left by the aggressive deportation operation.

www.startribune.com

A man was shot in the leg Wednesday night during a federal immigration enforcement operation in north Minneapolis, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation.

Trump wants violance and people getting shot. It's in his nature.

 

[Toni]

Another shooting by ICE in Minneapolis. Situation developing.

Live: As ICE operation winds down, Minnesotans grapple with what it leaves behind

Residents are talking about their trauma and the “economic devastation” left by the aggressive deportation operation.

www.startribune.com

A man was shot in the leg Wednesday night during a federal immigration enforcement operation in north Minneapolis, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation.

Trump wants violance and people getting shot. It's in his nature.

It’s actually because he’s trying to start a civil war.

 

[Patooka]

You’ve Heard About Who ICE Is Recruiting. The Truth Is Far Worse. I’m the Proof.

What happens when you do minimal screening before hiring agents, arming them, and sending them into the streets? We're all finding out.

slate.com

I am, to put it mildly, a less-than-ideal recruit.

But when I showed up at 9 a.m., the flood was notably absent: there was no line to check in and no line to go through security. I walked down nearly empty hallways, past a nearly empty drug testing station, and into the event proper, where a man directed me to a line to wait in for an interview. I took my spot at the end; there were only six people ahead of me.

She was spectacularly uninterested: “OK. And what location is your preference?”

After some dithering, I settled on my home state of New York. That was the last question; the entire process took less than six minutes.

So I was not expecting several days later to receive a tentative offer. I missed it in my inbox, and it sunk to the bottom, which means that I never filled out the paperwork they requested. I never accepted the tentative offer. I never filled out my background check paperwork. I never signed the affidavit saying I committed no domestic violence crimes. None of it.

A few weeks later, I got a message from Labcorp saying that ICE wanted me to do a drug test, and I went ahead and did that. I was pretty sure I wouldn’t pass. I had partaken in legal cannabis six days before the test. But why not waste some of their money, right? And then, nine days after that, I decided I wanted to — you know, I was curious. Had they processed the drug test yet?

Only the best people for ICE

 

[spikepipsqueak]

But what was happneing 10secs before the videoes we see?

Do you want to speculate what could have happened 10 seconds before the video that could justify Good's murder.

That is what I am asking. We just do not know.
Did she/they yell abuse at the ICE (doubt their parentage etc.).
Speed in?
I do not know

I can't believe what you are saying.

You do realise that, even in the police-gun happy US, none of those actions are punishable by summary execution in the street?

 

[Tigers!]

But what was happneing 10secs before the videoes we see?

Do you want to speculate what could have happened 10 seconds before the video that could justify Good's murder.

That is what I am asking. We just do not know.
Did she/they yell abuse at the ICE (doubt their parentage etc.).
Speed in?
I do not know

I can't believe what you are saying.

You do realise that, even in the police-gun happy US, none of those actions are punishable by summary execution in the street?

Of course none of those actions are punishable by summary execution. All we have at present is videoes online which tell lots but not absolutely everything.
She should not been shot and killed.

 

[Tigers!]

B

That's no excuse. When you have a gun it is your responsibility to refrain from shooting (at) anyone without justificiation.

It was an involuntary (automatic) shooting. There was not any time to think.
I put the blame on the other agent.

Is that why he called her a fucking bitch after he killed her and refused to allow a medical doctor to provide aid?

And why he was holding his cell phone and recording the encounter the entire time?

Self protection?

What protection does a cell phone offer that following their training and the rules of conduct doesn't?

Perhaps the ICE goons should have body cams. A judge ordered them to do it in Portland I think. Maybe Chicago. Either way, there is too much violence going on with ICE for them not to have them but Noem, Miller and Trump like it for them not to have them.

Body cameras would seem to be absolutely essential equipment for ICE. And the necessary training too.

 

[Tigers!]

That's no excuse. When you have a gun it is your responsibility to refrain from shooting (at) anyone without justificiation.

It was an involuntary (automatic) shooting. There was not any time to think.
I put the blame on the other agent.

Is that why he called her a fucking bitch after he killed her and refused to allow a medical doctor to provide aid?

And why he was holding his cell phone and recording the encounter the entire time?

Self protection?

What protection does a cell phone offer that following their training and the rules of conduct doesn't?

Since, most if this discussion centres upon available video evidence and a lot of it looks like it is from mobile phones or perhaps body cameras then these can offer condemnation and/or absolution. I can understand why coppers and others who deal with the public in stressful situations woukd wish to gave video evidence of the incident from their POV.
My daughter is an ambo in Victoria and they now need to be make sure that incidents have as much information as possible esp. video. Ambulances now have cameras in them to record what goes on inside the vehicles.

And is that protection sufficient to offset the disadvantage of holding onto a cell phone with one hand while drawing one's sidearm with the other?

It might be but the gymnastics required would be quite considerable.

It seems to me that if a situation was dangerous enough to justify pulling out a gun then the recording should have been immediately abandoned and the cell phone dropped.

Body cameras must be fitted for all concerned.

 

[Patooka]

What I find most interesting is that this thread is 10 pages in and not a single one of the usual MAGA apologists have tried to whitewash what happened, or even contribute to the conversation.

That's pretty telling in and of itself.