The Race For 2024

[Patooka]

Trump is going to lose in a landslide, but he will take office on inauguration day because proud Murkins like Swiz will take over the Capitol on certification day, and declare Orange Jesus to be Dictator Forever.

Don't be fucking melodramatic. Trump's only going to be dictator on day one. He'll be the forever God Emperor after that, though.

 

[TSwizzle]

In 2024 turn out will matter a lot.

That and ballot harvesting.

Otherwise known as "voting".

Ballot harvesting is a thing in its own right so no, it is not known as "voting".

 

[southernhybrid]

From Statista
In 2024 turn out will matter a lot.

Generation Z
Republican - 17%
Independent - 31%
Democratic - 52%

Millenials
Republican - 21%
Independent - 27%
Democratic - 52%

Party identification U.S. by age 2023 | Statista

Support for the Republican Party has declined dramatically between older and younger populations in the U.S.

www.statista.com

Look at that chart again. It may be inaccurate, as it has Gen Z identifying as Democrats at 31% and Independents at 52%. The chart actually has more boomers and silent generation as being more closely associated with Democrats compared to the two younger generations. They probably fucked up as the blue dot in the chart is associated with Independents and the Black dot is associated with Democrats. I don't think that chart is meaningful, considering that. Still, all of my old boomers friends and Gen X friends will vote for the Democrats. So, there is some hope.

 

[Patooka]

In 2024 turn out will matter a lot.

That and ballot harvesting.

Otherwise known as "voting".

Ballot harvesting is a thing in its own right so no, it is not known as "voting".

Naturally you have evidence of this horseshit, right?

 

[Elixir]

Ballot harvesting is a thing in its own right so no, it is not known as "voting".

How many ballots have you “harvested” Swiz?
How many people do you know who “harvest” ballots?

WTF IS “ballot harvesting” anyhow?
EDUCATE ME, Swiz!!

Do you just go down to Ballots-R-Us and load up your cart?

WHY HAS NOBODY IN THE UNIVERSE EVER PRESENTED ONE SINGLE HARVESTED BALLOT TO THE COURTS?

What miserable creatures trumpsuckers are, to live in fear of imaginary boodeymen that they’ve only ever heard about through right wing propaganda channels…
Really. I feel sorry for you and your ilk, Swiz.

 

[lpetrich]

Another one bites the dust.

Gov. Doug Burgum ends 2024 presidential campaign | AP News

North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum ended his long-shot presidential campaign on Monday, blaming his inability to resonate in the race on the Republican National Committee’s strict requirements to qualify for the debate stage.

He dropped out some hours before the RNC announced who would be in the Republican candidates' fourth debate. He was in the first two but not the third one.

He blamed the RNC, which sets qualifications for the debates, for “nationalizing the primary process and taking the power of democracy away from the engaged, thoughtful citizens of Iowa and New Hampshire.”

“It is not their mission to reduce competition and restrict fresh ideas by ‘narrowing the field’ months before the Iowa caucuses or the first in the nation New Hampshire primary,” Burgum wrote in his statement announcing his departure. “These arbitrary criteria ensure advantages for candidates from major media markets on the coasts versus America’s Heartland. None of their debate criteria relate to the qualifications related to actually doing the job of the president.”

His stated priorities?

Burgum was little known nationally when he launched his 2024 presidential campaign in June, touting his priorities of energy, the economy and national security, as well as his small-town roots and leadership of the sparsely populated state.

Seems like George Bush I, in my mind the last halfway-decent Republican President.

 2024 United States presidential election

RealClearPolitics - Election 2024 - 2024 Republican Presidential Nomination

From the polling, Donald Trump continues to advance, at 61.0% (RCP average), while Nikki Haley, at 10.3%, is getting close to Ron DeSantis, at 13.5%. Vivek Ramaswamy is next, at 4.9%, then Chris Christie at 2.5%, and finally Asa Hutchinson at 0.6%. Doug Burgum was also at 0.6% when he dropped out.

Ballot access for presidential candidates - Ballotpedia - Filing deadlines for the parties' primaries are now passing. The first one was on October 15, and the last one will be on March 26 the next year.

Filing deadlines for independent presidential candidates, 2024 - Ballotpedia - the first one is nearly half a year away.

 

[lpetrich]

The last debate that each candidate appeared in:

• 1st: Asa Hutchinson
• 2nd: Mike Pence
• 3rd: Tim Scott
• 4th: Chris Christie, Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy

Live updates: Latest on the 2024 campaign and highlights from GOP debate

Attacks against Haley: The clearest sign of former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley's rise in the race? Her opponents made her the center of attention during much of the first hour of the debate.

RdS and VR criticized her for accepting $250,000 of super-PAC support from a Democratic donor.

Haley, who also recently received the backing of the conservative group Americans for Prosperity, said she welcomed help wherever it may come from but wouldn’t let it dictate her policies. And she said her competitors would take the money too if it was offered.

So NH is offering the Francis Bacon defense: "Sure I took their money, but I didn't let it influence me." That was when he was a judge who was caught taking bribes from his clients.

“I’ve got these three guys who are all seeming to compete with Voldemort — ‘He who should not be named,’” Christie said, referring to the Harry Potter series villain whose name characters avoided saying. “They don’t want to talk about it.”

Donald Trump, who is far ahead of them in polls of likely Republican voters.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Ballot harvesting is a thing in its own right so no, it is not known as "voting".

How many ballots have you “harvested” Swiz?
How many people do you know who “harvest” ballots?

WTF IS “ballot harvesting” anyhow?
EDUCATE ME, Swiz!!

Do you just go down to Ballots-R-Us and load up your cart?

WHY HAS NOBODY IN THE UNIVERSE EVER PRESENTED ONE SINGLE HARVESTED BALLOT TO THE COURTS?

What miserable creatures trumpsuckers are, to live in fear of imaginary boodeymen that they’ve only ever heard about through right wing propaganda channels…
Really. I feel sorry for you and your ilk, Swiz.

It's so frikkin ironic! It's people on the right worrying and obsessing about voter fraud. And yet the group that was actually caught trying to commit voter fraud was the Trumpsters! They are the first to say how great the EC is (because it elected Bush and Trump, when they didn't have the majority votes). Then the second the EC doesn't favor them, they tried to overthrow the EC and send the election to the states! Having said that, I'm not sure if Tswizzle is a Trumpster or not.

 

[Worldtraveller]

I think he's a "I'm not a trumpsucker" ...trumpsucker.

 

[Derec]

Still, all of my old boomers friends and Gen X friends will vote for the Democrats. So, there is some hope.

Wasn't there some journalist from NYC who said something to the effect of "I don't know how Nixon won. Everyone I know voted for McGovern"?

 

[Derec]

The same way Buttigieg can head up the DoT. You don’t need a subject matter expert at this level. You need highly intelligent people with strong leadership skills.

Yeah, but Mayor Pete's educational credentials are much more impressive than Gov. Jennifer's. And he has a more varied professional life (e.g. military service), rather than being an 08/15 lawyer-cum-politician that US government is oversaturated with. Obama was at least willing to venture outside this career politician mold to fill his cabinet.

 

[Derec]

Because she was appointed by a person who
A: knows more about the job requirements and the candidates’ capabilities than you or I, and

So basically, your argument is that Granholm is a good choice because Granholm appointed her?

B: has the best interests on America in mind, unlike the guy you say you didn’t vote for.

I did not vote for him either time, if you mean Trump.

Get a clue.

You should take your own advice.

 

[Derec]

You tell us you didn't vote for Trump and, under the rules we must pretend to believe you.

You may pretend or not, but it is the truth. Just because I criticize your guy (Biden) when appropriate does not mean I support Trump.

By the way, I think he did the right thing defending Israel's right to exist and to defend itself from aggression from Gaza. Too bad he (and SecState Blinkenlights) is starting to waffle, no doubt due to anti-Israel extremists in the Democratic Party (far-leftists and/or Muslims).

But in 99% of your writings here you adamantly take the same side of issues as QOPAnon does.

Being in favor of gay marriage is taking the same side as "QOPAnon"?
Generally being in favor of abortion rights is taking the same side as "QOPAnon"?
Supporting infrastructure spending is taking the same side as "QOPAnon"?
Supporting the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) is taking the same side as "QOPAnon"?
Supporting legalization of marijuana is taking the same side as "QOPAnon"?
Supporting legalization of consensual sex work is taking the same side as "QOPAnon"? Ok, that one most Dems oppose too, but so do Republicans.
And many other issues.
But at the same time, I will criticize Dems and Biden where I see appropriate. That does not make me a Trump supporter or "QOPAnon" whatever that is supposed to mean.

Assuming you have friends that you discuss politics with, you certainly encourage them to vote for the QOPAnon Party even if you don't.

How do you figure?

You provided no evidence that she was picked because of her gender, but wrote "she has the politically correct set of genitals."

What evidence do you expect? A Nixonesque recording where he admits to it? You won't get a smoking gun like that. But Biden went out of his way to nominate the record number of women. That suggests a form of affirmative action rather than nominating due to merit. Esp. when Biden is on record supporting affirmative action. And esp. when his nominee lacks energy experience.

From here it looks like you'd condemn any female appointed by Biden on those grounds. That makes YOU the one with a gender test:
Appoint a male or Derec will whinge.

No. If he had appointed a woman with the resume of Steven Chu, I'd say nothing about it. But his cabinet seems to be checking "diversity" boxes more than being selected by merit. Hel, even the lefty The Intercept roasted him for this! Of course, they think he is not going too far enough. They think he has appointed far too many white dudes.

A "couple of times"? Do you honestly believe it was only twice? Should we make it a bet?

I don't know the exact number. Might be three or four times since 2018. But it certainly is far fewer times than you brought it up. And when I brought it up it was for a legitimate purpose, i.e. to show that she did not use her fancy edumcation in her work life.

Do you remember that I needed to link to her Wikipedia page before you even knew she'd had other employment?

I am looking at it now. Bar girl/waitress it says, then started a publishing firm that doesn't exist any more (questionable if it ever made any money), worked for some non-profit and the Bernie Sanders campaign. Oh, and protested against an oil pipeline (by driving >3000 miles from Queens to do it). Yeah, she sure put that Boston University degree to good use in her professional life!

And you got tired of calling her "bartender" so started on "bar maid" or "bar girl" pretending not to know that in American diction these terms are belittling.

Again, it is you who keeps bringing up her food and beverage industry employment up all the damn time, apropos of nothing. If we do a bet, it should be about the ratio of first mentions (not replies) made by me vs. by you.

I've shoved your misogynism back in your face enough that you've finally stifled yourself.

Again, it is you who keep bringing it up. And it is not "misogynism" to point out that even though she has a degree in economics from a fancy private university she worked as a waitress and bartender instead of taking a job in her field.

You still trot out "heels up" and other misogynistic insults.

Sex lives of male politicians are made fun all the time. Slick Willie and the blue dress. Hiking the Appalachian Trail. Mushroom-shaped dick.
So why do you think doing the same about a woman is "misogynistic". No, it is egalitarian, and your attitude is paternalistic and condescending.

Now, as to Kamala Harris specifically. I first took an intense dislike to her when she championed the disastrous and illiberal FOSTA/SESTA legislation. That bill greatly harmed sex workers without protecting anybody. But that's her - sexual liberties for me, but not for thee.

Maybe that's one reason why you ally so closely with Donald Trump, even if we all need to pretend that you're not part of his Ilk.

I never voted for the guy. I begrudgingly voted for Biden in 2020, as I was (turns out rightly) wary of the joint task forces he formed with Sandernistas, and I could not stomach voting for either major party candidate in 2016. So how can you suggest I am "closely allied" with him? It's ludicrous!

 

[Derec]

I think he's a "I'm not a trumpsucker" ...trumpsucker.

"Everyone I Don't Like is a Trumpsucker" is a much needed sequel to this:

 

[Harry Bosch]

I think he's a "I'm not a trumpsucker" ...trumpsucker.

"Everyone I Don't Like is a Trumpsucker" is a much needed sequel to this:

Trump isn't Hitler. But he tried to overturn our election. Hard to believe that so many support him on the right. I'd vote for the most liberal person in the entire US government over Trump.

 

[Derec]

Trump isn't Hitler. But he tried to overturn our election. Hard to believe that so many support him on the right. I'd vote for the most liberal person in the entire US government over Trump.

The point I was making whooshed over you. I was talking about how some on here are quick to accuse everyone they disagree with of being a "Trumpsucker", similar to the attitude parodied in that image.

 

[Derec]

So basically, your argument is that Granholm is a good choice because Granholm Biden appointed her?

I could not edit.

 

[Tigers!]

Just returned from seeing a niece get married in South Africa. Discovered that I cannot sleep well on aircraft.
Melbourne - Singapore = 7 hours
Singapore - Johannesburg = 10 hours
Thus 17 hours one way = 34 hours return.
Lucky to have got 4 hours sleep in that time.

Pity I could not get your presidential candidates debates on the plane. I am told that they are excellent to cure insommnia.

 

[Swammerdami]

My attention to Derec in these threads is NOT about politics, but about cognition. With the US on the verge of a fascist take-over it's good to understand the psychology not just of blatant Trumplickers but of the fellow travelers whose support the Trumpists will need to prevail at the ballot box.

A patient claims a certain number is 2 but under prodding admits that it "might" be 3 or 4.
Scenario A) The correct number is 5 or 6. This isn't unusual, especially among aging patients.
Scenario B) The correct number is more than 30. With this sort of discrepancy we might reach for our copy of DSM-5-TR.

To represent "more than 30" as "2" is reminiscent of Trump's famous Inauguration Day. "Hundreds of thousands. Everybody says so."

I will be criticized for derailing a conversation supposedly about politics into one about Trumpist cognition. But I do NOT think this is wrong. Clinton eliminated the federal deficit, but more newsprint was spent on a single blowjob. Kamala Harris is the first female to serve as VP but all the Trumpists want to do is associate her with a misogynistic label. I think the cognitive style -- and eagerness to prevaricate -- of Trumplickers and their fellow travelers is central to the political impasse.

A "couple of times"? Do you honestly believe it was only twice? Should we make it a bet?

I don't know the exact number. Might be three or four times since 2018. But it certainly is far fewer times than you brought it up. And when I brought it up it was for a legitimate purpose, i.e. to show that she did not use her fancy edumcation in her work life.

First, you write TWO times. Now you condescend to admit it "might" be 3 or even FOUR. Would you like to guess again?

And with anyone else I'd assume "edumcation" was just a finger-slip while typing. But knowing you, I'm sure you couldn't pass up the chance to invent a word to display your misogyny. Even in a post where you're trying to deny that misogyny!

Are you aware that I can type "bartend* // Derec" into the search menu and get all occurrences? And did so (see below). Would you like to revise your estimate again?

The number rhymes with "Flirty Fun."

And you got tired of calling her "bartender" so started on "bar maid" or "bar girl" pretending not to know that in American diction these terms are belittling.

Again, it is you who keeps bringing up her food and beverage industry employment up all the damn time, apropos of nothing. If we do a bet, it should be about the ratio of first mentions (not replies) made by me vs. by you.

Oooops. I didn't search for "bar maid" etc. So the "Flirty-Fun" number should actually be increased.

Spoiler: Search for Derec's use of bartend*

33 hits.
I first called attention to this sickness May 12, 2021. And, as I stated earlier, this did stifle Derec's open misogyny somewhat.
I've struck out two posts unrelated to AOC. But I've left in one unrelated to AOC but where Derec mentions "bartender" while defending Trump against E. Jean Carroll's accusation. Judge and/or Jury agreed that Carroll had been raped, but Derec begs to differ. I've left this one in because it helps confirm misogyny and latent Trumplicking.

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  2023 House vote for speaker
  We are all well aware of her professional "qualifications". Why are you progs so obsessed with pretending that anybody wants to get into her pants?
  
  Derec Post #56 Jan 4, 2023 Forum: Political Discussions
• Is Georgia on your mind?
  I will give you attractive, and even articulate, but charming? I find her grating. Nails on blackboard level grating. And she is not nearly as smart as she, and her fans, believe she is. She has a degree in economics from Boston U., but has very superficial understanding of economics. And before...
  
  Derec Post #648 Oct 20, 2022 Forum: US Presidential Politics
• US student loans grotesquely high
  Maybe not rich, but solidly middle class. Well off enough certainly to own a house in Westchester County. [citation needed] on cleaning houses. And what timeframe is that supposed to be? During the time her husband owned the architecture firm? As far as rice and beans, are you suggesting only...
  
  Derec Post #170 Dec 14, 2021 Forum: Political Discussions
• President Biden's Infrastructure Plans
  This is a dishonest comparison, but par for the course for the bartender from Queens. She is comparing total defense spending with a bill that increases entitlement spending. Total entitlement spending is already much higher than defense. Medicare alone is more than defense! Note also that...
  
  Derec Post #389 Oct 4, 2021 Forum: US Presidential Politics
• Billionaires Blast off
  Congress as a body has subpoena and legislative powers. Nobody claimed she can pass legislation with one vote, so that's a strawman. AOC is also more powerful than an average Congressman, because she is the leader of the Squad, a far-left group of Congresspeople. It would be incredibly naïve...
  
  Derec Post #543 Aug 9, 2021 Forum: Political Discussions
• Billionaires Blast off
  Some posters (like bilby and DBT), but I think most of us can see nuance. 1. I am not on the right. 2. I am not obsessed with AOC. If you want to see obsession, look at lpetrich! I brought her up due to her strong (and ultimately successful) opposition to Amazon's HQ2. It wasn't relevant to...
  
  Derec Post #523 Aug 8, 2021 Forum: Political Discussions
• Democrats trying to unseat each other II
  That doesn't make her bad. Perhaps underqualified, but not bad per se. What is bad about her resume is that she went to a very expensive school to get an economics degree and then did not use it, preferring a bartending job that allowed her to gallivant all over the place (e.g. driving 2000...
  
  Derec Post #57 Apr 28, 2021 Forum: Political Discussions
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  I think so too. Georgia Tech 1, Boston U. 0. And my degree isn't even in economics. It's a weird job for a graduate from an expensive private university to pursue, instead of something in her field. I know why she did it though - unlike a real job, bartending allowed her to take a lot of...
  
  Derec Post #4,739 Dec 15, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions
• Violent riots underway in Kenosha, WI
  Same Jacob Blake, from 5 years ago. Police: K9 Dozer Helps Subdue Man Who Pulled Gun at Bar So he has a history of violent crime, violently resisting arrest and illegally possessing firearms. I wonder if he was going for his gun when he was shot. The shooting: This article also states...
  
  Derec Post #3 Aug 24, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions
• AOC vs. Oil Pipelines
  So? Note that it follows the route of existing pipelines. We discussed that at length as it was happening (and when Sandy was still bartending when she wasn't gallivanting across the ND prairie). A route closer to Bismarck would be longer, would mean more water crossings and more built-up areas...
  
  Derec Post #9 Jul 29, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions
• The Joker, Incels, Threats And FBI Warnings
  So why are so many women on Tinder et al having "meaningless hookup sex" with good looking bad boys then? Why are so many women going on vacations to places like Dominican Republic or Jamaica and hooking up with young, good looking bartenders or lifeguards for a vacation fling? Not nearly to...
  
  Derec Post #110 May 23, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions
• Trump's Successor?
  lpetrich, did you accidentally post this here instead of in the AOC megathread? No matter Carlson's background (takes one to know one I guess), he is right that AOC is from a privileged background. Her father was an architect in New York for crying loud. He probably designed an addition to the...
  
  Derec Post #5 May 3, 2020 Forum: US Presidential Politics
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  Well when you go to an expensive private university and then occasionally (no pun intended) work as a waitress/bartender in between activism trips to places like North Dakota, it is hardly surprising you have a mountain of student debt. But is that my fault? Why should I (as a taxpayer) bail you...
  
  Derec Post #3,883 Mar 3, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  Should not exist? Also, where does she get her stats? Usually billionaires created businesses like Amazon or Berkshire Hathaway or Microsoft or Paypal/Tesla. And having your money in the stock market is at a certain risk, as stocks can go down. As Jerry Seinfeld said ... Surgeons get paid a...
  
  Derec Post #3,823 Feb 21, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  It's not so much that's it's an "insult" to have been a bartender, but that it is weird that somebody with a degree from BU (a cum laude degree no less!) could not find a job in their field for years after graduation.
  
  Derec Post #3,742 Feb 8, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions
• Tulsi Gabbard sues Hillary Clinton for $50M, claims defamation over 'Russian asset' remark
  My money is still on Tulsi. She is kinda crazy, and you can't discount crazy in hand-to-hand combat. AOC is merely dumb.
  
  Derec Post #46 Jan 23, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  Yes, we all know that. Still, private schools are more expensive than in state public schools for vast majority of people. Not for a university graduate from a prestigious private university. One can bartend without a college degree. Depends where and when you work I guess. Base pay is low, so...
  
  Derec Post #3,507 Dec 31, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  In vast majority of cases an in-state public university will be significantly cheaper than a private one. On paper, those things you listed do seem quite impressive. But they do not fit her life after college (working as a bartender instead of getting a real job) nor her lack of understanding...
  
  Derec Post #3,494 Dec 30, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  Yes. Especially the part where she won a primary election that had an extremely low turnout and in a district where the general election doesn't matter. Her "Justice Democrats" handlers caught Crawley napping. But she still lucked into it. In the primary where almost nobody went to the polls...
  
  Derec Post #3,482 Dec 29, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  Yes. She won an extremely low turnout primary election (with only about 16,000 votes in a district with 700,000 people) in a district so lopsided that the primary election is the de facto general election. She was also pushed into it (again, ass backwards) by the so-called "Justice Democrats"...
  
  Derec Post #3,481 Dec 29, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
• Media treatment of Bernie Sanders: a story in pictures
  So you think AOC is doing a fine job. I disagree, but anyway. Do you think AOC could have ran for president in 2024 with just her bartending job and activism (driving a gasoline car >3000 miles just to protest against oil for example) had she lost the primary in 2018?
  
  Derec Post #412 Nov 28, 2019 Forum: US Presidential Politics
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  I wonder who will play "Sandy the Bartender" in the gender-reversed remake of "Being There" directed by Paul Feig. Oh, who are we kidding. Probably Melissa McCarthy.
  
  Derec Post #3,329 Nov 26, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
• Democrats 2020
  Maybe she will be a bartender at the White House bar. About the only position she would be fully qualified for. Hopefully she will fail.
  
  Derec Post #2,435 Nov 12, 2019 Forum: US Presidential Politics
• Democrats trying to unseat each other
  She is not Generalissimo Cortez, she is Corporal Sandy, squad leader. Her regimental commanding officer is, of course, Colonel Sanders. And Nicolas Maduro was a bus driver. What is it with hard left and elevating obviously unqualified people to ruling positions?
  
  Derec Post #72 Nov 6, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  No, when she was a bartender the only gallivanting she was able to do was to drive a (carbon emitting) car 1,700 miles to North Dakota to protest a pipeline that is needed to supply the oil needed to power her car.
  
  Derec Post #3,122 Oct 15, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  How is spending over $300/hair a "pretty good deal" when you can get a haircut for $15 and buy a hair coloring kit at a drugstore and do it at home? I bet AOC did not do $300+ haircuts when she was living on bartender wages. Except people have made a huge issue of John Edwards and John Kerry...
  
  Derec Post #3,069 Oct 11, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  Intelligence?
  
  Derec Post #2,688 Aug 15, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  They are still dating? Imagine you are dating a bartender and then all of a sudden she is a congresswoman who moves to a bougie apartment with a garbage disposal and everything. Not to mention that she is now in the national media spotlight more than most freshmen in Congress because of her...
  
  Derec Post #2,677 Aug 14, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
• Democrats 2020
  What Archer said.
  
  Derec Post #1,486 Aug 2, 2019 Forum: US Presidential Politics
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  Rail has its place. High speed rail can be goo alternative to short hops. But obviously for long distances and if you have to cross a lot of water, rail loses viability. There are some corridors that would be interesting in the US, but the problem would be the high up-front cost. That is also...
  
  Derec Post #2,513 Jul 31, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
• Another Trump Rape Surfaces
  I think her account is unbelievable. She wanted him to try some lingerie over his suit? That's why she followed him into the changing room? And then he was supposed to have raped her? And there were absolutely no sales associates anywhere around? And note that she makes similar accusations...
  
  Derec Post #70 Jun 25, 2019 Forum: US Presidential Politics
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  Oh, give me a break! I bet all well-known politicians get death threats. It comes with the territory. Even Veep covered it. So she wants waiters and bartenders to make at least $15/hour AND to get 20% in tips? Nanny state! You milk-drinker, you. She barely understands her supposed...
  
  Derec Post #1,754 May 30, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
  Oh, not that BS again! There is nothing "sexist" with talking about a politician's looks even if said politician is a female. Why is it that nobody bats an eye when we talk about Trump's or Obama's or any other male politician's looks, but as soon as somebody comments on a female politician...
  
  Derec Post #941 Mar 10, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions

 

[Derec]

My attention to Derec in these threads is NOT about politics, but about cognition.

So now you are accusing me of cognitive problems just because I criticize your guy when appropriate?

With the US on the verge of a fascist take-over it's good to understand the psychology not just of blatant Trumplickers but of the fellow travelers whose support the Trumpists will need to prevail at the ballot box.

I am not a "fellow traveler". Maybe you are the one with cognitive issues, as I have explained this already.

With this sort of discrepancy we might reach for our copy of DSM-5-TR.

Ooh. The DSM. So what's your diagnosis?

To represent "more than 30" as "2" is reminiscent of Trump's famous Inauguration Day. "Hundreds of thousands. Everybody says so."

If we leafed through DSM-5, maybe we would find a disorder matching your obsessive tendencies. You keep bringing up Trump randomly, just like AOC's bartending career. And no, this isn't #33. I stated specifically I only count instances where I bring it up, not respond to others or use it in an ongoing conversation. That's why your tactic, to do a quick search without even manually verifying results, does not work. But more on that later.

I will be criticized for derailing a conversation supposedly about politics into one about Trumpist cognition.

It's not only a derail, it's also an attack on a fellow member's mental status.

But I do NOT think this is wrong. Clinton eliminated the federal deficit, but more newsprint was spent on a single blowjob.

Sex scandals are juicy, federal budget is dry. It's human nature.
That said, I agree with you. I thought the whole scandal was ridiculous even at the time.

Kamala Harris is the first female to serve as VP but all the Trumpists want to do is associate her with a misogynistic label.

I do not consider being an affirmative action pick an accomplishment. At least with Clinton, you found something that he actually accomplished. And no, a sex joke about a female politician is no more misogynistic than a sex joke about a male politician is misandrist. You are advocating a sexist double standard here.

I think the cognitive style -- and eagerness to prevaricate -- of Trumplickers and their fellow travelers is central to the political impasse.

More blah blah and meaningless accusations.

First, you write TWO times. Now you condescend to admit it "might" be 3 or even FOUR. Would you like to guess again?

No. The number is not even important, as long as it is lower than the number of times you brought her previous job up for no reason. More important is why I brought it up, and that is to point out that she did not use her degree in her professional life. That is a legitimate point.

And with anyone else I'd assume "edumcation" was just a finger-slip while typing. But knowing you, I'm sure you couldn't pass up the chance to invent a word to display your misogyny.

Unlike some, I can type. Usually. And this spelling is not my invention.

Even in a post where you're trying to deny that misogyny!

Using a humorous misspelling is "misogyny"? You really do see "misogyny" everywhere, do you?

Are you aware that I can type "bartend* // Derec" into the search menu and get all occurrences? And did so (see below). Would you like to revise your estimate again?

A crude tool, as we shall see.

Search for Derec's use of bartend

I first called attention to this sickness May 12, 2021. And, as I stated earlier, this did stifle Derec's open misogyny somewhat.

What is a "sickness" is your obsession with me mentioning AOC's previous employment. And it is not "open misogyny" nor was it stifled. The issue largely went away (but for your random mentions) of its own accord. By May 2021 she wasn't the shiny new thing in Congress any more.

I've struck out two posts unrelated to AOC. But I've left in one unrelated to AOC but where Derec mentions "bartender" while defending Trump against E. Jean Carroll's accusation. Judge and/or Jury agreed that Carroll had been raped, but Derec begs to differ.

The crazy woman can't even remember what year the alleged rape happened, and y'all believe her with zero evidence. The US tort system is seriously flawed to the point of being a popularity contest.

I've left this one in because it helps confirm misogyny and latent Trumplicking.

All it does is confirm your obsessions.

By the way, links would have helped, as would context. For example:

2023 House vote for speaker
We are all well aware of her professional "qualifications". Why are you progs so obsessed with pretending that anybody wants to get into her pants?

Seems like I was responding to someone. Not bringing it up. I also did not use the word "bar" at all in my response. Fail.

Derec Post #56 Jan 4, 2023 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Is Georgia on your mind?
I will give you attractive, and even articulate, but charming? I find her grating. Nails on blackboard level grating. And she is not nearly as smart as she, and her fans, believe she is. She has a degree in economics from Boston U., but has very superficial understanding of economics. And before...

Response to someone calling her smart, it seems. Why did you cut off the allegedly relevant portion?

Derec Post #648 Oct 20, 2022 Forum: US Presidential Politics
[*]US student loans grotesquely high
Maybe not rich, but solidly middle class. Well off enough certainly to own a house in Westchester County. [citation needed] on cleaning houses. And what timeframe is that supposed to be? During the time her husband owned the architecture firm? As far as rice and beans, are you suggesting only...

This is talking about her parents, not her. Word "bar" is not mentioned.

Derec Post #170 Dec 14, 2021 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]President Biden's Infrastructure Plans
This is a dishonest comparison, but par for the course for the bartender from Queens. She is comparing total defense spending with a bill that increases entitlement spending. Total entitlement spending is already much higher than defense. Medicare alone is more than defense! Note also that...

Oh, an actual mention of "bartender". Congratulations. I guess I will give you this one, although it is relevant, as it goes to her qualifications.

Derec Post #389 Oct 4, 2021 Forum: US Presidential Politics
[*]Billionaires Blast off
Congress as a body has subpoena and legislative powers. Nobody claimed she can pass legislation with one vote, so that's a strawman. AOC is also more powerful than an average Congressman, because she is the leader of the Squad, a far-left group of Congresspeople. It would be incredibly naïve...

No mention of bars or bartending.

Derec Post #543 Aug 9, 2021 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Billionaires Blast off
Some posters (like bilby and DBT), but I think most of us can see nuance. 1. I am not on the right. 2. I am not obsessed with AOC. If you want to see obsession, look at lpetrich! I brought her up due to her strong (and ultimately successful) opposition to Amazon's HQ2. It wasn't relevant to...

Ditto.

Derec Post #523 Aug 8, 2021 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Democrats trying to unseat each other II
That doesn't make her bad. Perhaps underqualified, but not bad per se. What is bad about her resume is that she went to a very expensive school to get an economics degree and then did not use it, preferring a bartending job that allowed her to gallivant all over the place (e.g. driving 2000...

Relevant to her career before the election.

Derec Post #57 Apr 28, 2021 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
I think so too. Georgia Tech 1, Boston U. 0. And my degree isn't even in economics. It's a weird job for a graduate from an expensive private university to pursue, instead of something in her field. I know why she did it though - unlike a real job, bartending allowed her to take a lot of...

Relevant to her experience before getting elected.

Derec Post #4,739 Dec 15, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Violent riots underway in Kenosha, WI
Same Jacob Blake, from 5 years ago. Police: K9 Dozer Helps Subdue Man Who Pulled Gun at Bar So he has a history of violent crime, violently resisting arrest and illegally possessing firearms. I wonder if he was going for his gun when he was shot. The shooting: This article also states...

This one isn't even about AOC but about Jacob Blake's criminal history before his shooting. Do better.

Derec Post #3 Aug 24, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions

[*]AOC vs. Oil Pipelines
So? Note that it follows the route of existing pipelines. We discussed that at length as it was happening (and when Sandy was still bartending when she wasn't gallivanting across the ND prairie). A route closer to Bismarck would be longer, would mean more water crossings and more built-up areas...

Relevant to her professional experience. A bartending job, unlike a professional job, allows for extended time off for her misguided activism.

Derec Post #9 Jul 29, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]The Joker, Incels, Threats And FBI Warnings
So why are so many women on Tinder et al having "meaningless hookup sex" with good looking bad boys then? Why are so many women going on vacations to places like Dominican Republic or Jamaica and hooking up with young, good looking bartenders or lifeguards for a vacation fling? Not nearly to...

Not about AOC at all.

Derec Post #110 May 23, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions

[*]Trump's Successor?
lpetrich, did you accidentally post this here instead of in the AOC megathread? No matter Carlson's background (takes one to know one I guess), he is right that AOC is from a privileged background. Her father was an architect in New York for crying loud. He probably designed an addition to the...

Architecture is not bartending. Are you sure you did not search for AOC OR bartend?

Derec Post #5 May 3, 2020 Forum: US Presidential Politics
[*]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Well when you go to an expensive private university and then occasionally (no pun intended) work as a waitress/bartender in between activism trips to places like North Dakota, it is hardly surprising you have a mountain of student debt. But is that my fault? Why should I (as a taxpayer) bail you...

Explaining why she still had significant student debt. Relevant.

Derec Post #3,883 Mar 3, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Should not exist? Also, where does she get her stats? Usually billionaires created businesses like Amazon or Berkshire Hathaway or Microsoft or Paypal/Tesla. And having your money in the stock market is at a certain risk, as stocks can go down. As Jerry Seinfeld said ... Surgeons get paid a...

Talking about surgery, not bartending.

Derec Post #3,823 Feb 21, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
It's not so much that's it's an "insult" to have been a bartender, but that it is weird that somebody with a degree from BU (a cum laude degree no less!) could not find a job in their field for years after graduation.

Explaining why mentioning her bartending job is relevant.

Derec Post #3,742 Feb 8, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Tulsi Gabbard sues Hillary Clinton for $50M, claims defamation over 'Russian asset' remark
My money is still on Tulsi. She is kinda crazy, and you can't discount crazy in hand-to-hand combat. AOC is merely dumb.

No mention of bars at all.

Derec Post #46 Jan 23, 2020 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Yes, we all know that. Still, private schools are more expensive than in state public schools for vast majority of people. Not for a university graduate from a prestigious private university. One can bartend without a college degree. Depends where and when you work I guess. Base pay is low, so...

One can bartend without a college degree. Is pointing that out "misogynistic"?

Derec Post #3,507 Dec 31, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
In vast majority of cases an in-state public university will be significantly cheaper than a private one. On paper, those things you listed do seem quite impressive. But they do not fit her life after college (working as a bartender instead of getting a real job) nor her lack of understanding...

This I think is the type specimen for this whole derail. Note that I was not mentioning her bartending randomly, I was replying (I think) to somebody gushing about her allegedly impressive background. That makes her professional history relevant to the discussion. You on the other hand keep bringing up her bartending randomly just to attack me.

Derec Post #3,494 Dec 30, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Yes. Especially the part where she won a primary election that had an extremely low turnout and in a district where the general election doesn't matter. Her "Justice Democrats" handlers caught Crawley napping. But she still lucked into it. In the primary where almost nobody went to the polls...

No bars, but I might need one after dealing with your nonsense ...

Derec Post #3,482 Dec 29, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Yes. She won an extremely low turnout primary election (with only about 16,000 votes in a district with 700,000 people) in a district so lopsided that the primary election is the de facto general election. She was also pushed into it (again, ass backwards) by the so-called "Justice Democrats"...

Ditto.

Derec Post #3,481 Dec 29, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Media treatment of Bernie Sanders: a story in pictures
So you think AOC is doing a fine job. I disagree, but anyway. Do you think AOC could have ran for president in 2024 with just her bartending job and activism (driving a gasoline car >3000 miles just to protest against oil for example) had she lost the primary in 2018?

I would love to see the context for this. It seems somebody is suggesting that AOC is qualified to run for president. LMAO!

Derec Post #412 Nov 28, 2019 Forum: US Presidential Politics
[*]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
I wonder who will play "Sandy the Bartender" in the gender-reversed remake of "Being There" directed by Paul Feig. Oh, who are we kidding. Probably Melissa McCarthy.

Reference to "Chance the Gardender" if you are too young to get the reference.

Derec Post #3,329 Nov 26, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Democrats 2020
Maybe she will be a bartender at the White House bar. About the only position she would be fully qualified for. Hopefully she will fail.

Probably the only one here that is gratuitous. I still stand by it. She is not qualified for cabinet or any senior position in the White House.

Derec Post #2,435 Nov 12, 2019 Forum: US Presidential Politics
[*]Democrats trying to unseat each other
She is not Generalissimo Cortez, she is Corporal Sandy, squad leader. Her regimental commanding officer is, of course, Colonel Sanders. And Nicolas Maduro was a bus driver. What is it with hard left and elevating obviously unqualified people to ruling positions?

No bars.

Derec Post #72 Nov 6, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
No, when she was a bartender the only gallivanting she was able to do was to drive a (carbon emitting) car 1,700 miles to North Dakota to protest a pipeline that is needed to supply the oil needed to power her car.

I'd have to see what I was replying to here.

Derec Post #3,122 Oct 15, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
How is spending over $300/hair a "pretty good deal" when you can get a haircut for $15 and buy a hair coloring kit at a drugstore and do it at home? I bet AOC did not do $300+ haircuts when she was living on bartender wages. Except people have made a huge issue of John Edwards and John Kerry...

This was a reference to $300 haircuts.

Derec Post #2,688 Aug 15, 2019 Forum: Political Discussions
[*]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
They are still dating? Imagine you are dating a bartender and then all of a sudden she is a congresswoman who moves to a bougie apartment with a garbage disposal and everything. Not to mention that she is now in the national media spotlight more than most freshmen in Congress because of her...

What's wrong with this mention? It is a pretty big jump in spotlight and lifestyle from her previous life, and it would affect her SO as well.
And the garbage disposal quip was a reference to her being baffled about it in one of her videos.

Derec Post #70 Jun 25, 2019 Forum: US Presidential Politics
[*]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Oh, give me a break! I bet all well-known politicians get death threats. It comes with the territory. Even Veep covered it. So she wants waiters and bartenders to make at least $15/hour AND to get 20% in tips? Nanny state! You milk-drinker, you. She barely understands her supposed...

Not a reference to her being a bartender.

I snipped a few of your "hits" that do not mention bartending.

Now you've made me curious. I shall do some searches myself. I gotta run now though.