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Do people in the U.S. understand the importance of this election?

If Trump is elected, he will hand over the eastern parts of Ukraine to Russia. Just like that.
China and other dictatorships will see that the West is weak, and every dictator will want a piece of their neighbour and install puppet governments. After this "peace," Putin or his inner circle will rearm and attack again. Once Ukraine is conquered, Moldova will be next, followed by various "-stans," most likely Kazakhstan.

If Trump does not win and Ukraine continues to receive support, Ukraine can become a functioning democracy aligned with the West.
If Ukraine is lost, Russia will turn Ukrainians into soldiers to be used in any war. This is what happened in 1939 when the Winter War broke out between Finland and the Soviet Union.
Just over 10 years earlier, Stalin had starved millions of Ukrainians to death, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor) and at Finland's war front, many more Ukrainians were slaughtered. It was called the Soviet army, but Russian officers primarily led it, and it was mainly Ukrainian soldiers who were fed into the meat grinder.
Stalin wanted to get rid of minority populations. In the current war, minority groups are again being used as cannon fodder.

In Europe, there are also people like Chamberlain and Quisling, but they can be dealt with as long as the democracies of the Western powers prevail.
 
Many of us get that, Henry. But many are convinced that it’s none of our business and Putin is our last President’s best buddy so what’s the fuss.
 
Americans are still isolationists at heart.

Despite the abject failure of that policy in two world wars.

As Abba Eban observed, "... men and nations do behave wisely, once they have exhausted all other alternatives".

The longer it takes to put Utin back in his box, and make clear that his expansionism will not be tolerated, the harder and bloodier it will become to do so. But it will have to be done eventually.
 
Elixir said:
Many of us get that, Henry. But many are convinced that it’s none of our business and Putin is our last President’s best buddy so what’s the fuss.
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If the USA is weak (Trump and his golf properties and towers - all that he cares about) what about Taiwan or Iran will close Hormuz?
The attack of Ukraine (2014 and 2022) would never have happened if the Western countries had not been soft.
 
Maybe. But I want countries to be soft. It shouldn't be necessary for them not to be.

When someone like Utin comes along, they need to stop being soft, for a while. And that takes time. But it's important that it is not a permanent state of affairs.

Strong leaders make for hard times. For everyone.
 
Henry-Finland said:
Do people in the U.S. understand the importance of this election?

If Trump is elected, he will hand over the eastern parts of Ukraine to Russia. Just like that.
China and other dictatorships will see that the West is weak, and every dictator will want a piece of their neighbour and install puppet governments. After this "peace," Putin or his inner circle will rearm and attack again. Once Ukraine is conquered, Moldova will be next, followed by various "-stans," most likely Kazakhstan.

If Trump does not win and Ukraine continues to receive support, Ukraine can become a functioning democracy aligned with the West.
If Ukraine is lost, Russia will turn Ukrainians into soldiers to be used in any war. This is what happened in 1939 when the Winter War broke out between Finland and the Soviet Union.
Just over 10 years earlier, Stalin had starved millions of Ukrainians to death, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor) and at Finland's war front, many more Ukrainians were slaughtered. It was called the Soviet army, but Russian officers primarily led it, and it was mainly Ukrainian soldiers who were fed into the meat grinder.
Stalin wanted to get rid of minority populations. In the current war, minority groups are again being used as cannon fodder.

In Europe, there are also people like Chamberlain and Quisling, but they can be dealt with as long as the democracies of the Western powers prevail.
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I wonder how well Russia could even secure Eastern Ukraine should a Trump presidency cut off all US assistance. Would this create a greater sense of urgency in the Nordic countries and Eastern Europe or would they acquiesce? It would depend on how well these peoples understand the importance of Russian aggression.

Going forward I think China will have more influence in Central Asia than Russia. The US will continue to work toward establishing trade routes through the South Caucuses but this will probably be halfhearted at best. Regardless of who is the next US president, the fact will remain that internally the US is politically broken and little if anything externally will be accomplished. Even in the best case scenario with a Harris presidency, every dollar spent outside the US will be shout out loud and hard by Republicans.
 
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