The Race For 2024

[Jimmy Higgins]

You have gone off on an odd soapbox here. It's like you have entirely failed to comprehend that FPTP isn't the only possible voting system available, and have instead decided to lecture me on the evils of not voting at all as if that has any relevance to my post.

The voting method is irrelevant if districts are far from competitive.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Very much the problem with Vice President Harris. Competent and responsible administrator, terrible campaigner. Running against a pathetic wannabe dictator, who campaigns very well.

The old form vs. substance problem.

Yes, substance but not as much charisma. But ultimately, it was inflation that harmed her chances at winning. Enough pro-choice women voted their wallets over their bodies. That was the surprise in 2024, based on the mid-term results.

 

[Elixir]

it was inflation that harmed her chances at winning

It was Trump’s uncanny ability to blame the damage he does on “The Others”.

 

[ZiprHead]

it was inflation that harmed her chances at winning

It was Trump’s uncanny ability to blame the damage he does on “The Others”.

This.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

it was inflation that harmed her chances at winning

It was Trump’s uncanny ability to blame the damage he does on “The Others”.

This.

It helped with turning out the rabid folk but the suburbs were upset that groceries cost more. Thankfully they are cheaper today thanks too transparently useless right wing rhetoric.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You have gone off on an odd soapbox here. It's like you have entirely failed to comprehend that FPTP isn't the only possible voting system available, and have instead decided to lecture me on the evils of not voting at all as if that has any relevance to my post.

The voting method is irrelevant if districts are far from competitive.

Which was my idea on assigning votes to electors--nobody's voice gets gerrymandered away.

 

[bilby]

Why not have multi-member districts? Give both if the top two (or maybe all of top three) candidates seats, with their votes in the legislative chamber weighted by the number of votes they got.

This also has the advantage that any voter is more likely to have an elected representative they can approach on an issue without being simply dismissed, even if their position is anathema to the candidate who got the most votes.

If you don't want to increase the size of your legislature, you can achieve this by merging adjacent districts into a super-district with the appropriate number of representatives.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Why not have multi-member districts? Give both if the top two (or maybe all of top three) candidates seats, with their votes in the legislative chamber weighted by the number of votes they got.

This also has the advantage that any voter is more likely to have an elected representative they can approach on an issue without being simply dismissed, even if their position is anathema to the candidate who got the most votes.

If you don't want to increase the size of your legislature, you can achieve this by merging adjacent districts into a super-district with the appropriate number of representatives.

I like it. It avoids the need for any tracking of who voted for what like my system requires.

 

[Emily Lake]

You have gone off on an odd soapbox here.

No, I am just disagreeing with some of the things you said.

I disagree with what you're disagreeing about?

Strategic voting for the lesser evil wasn't the intention of FPTP. It's not like FPTP was something people spent a huge amount of time thinking about, and somehow decided it was the best way to get rid of an undesirable leader. FPTP is just the oldest and easiest voting system in existence.

Sure, it can result in getting rid of an undesirable leader without bloodshed... but that's not why it exists as a system, nor why it was selected for US elections. Pretty much it was just what was available at the time. Pretty much any other voting system we've come up with since the 1700s will also get rid of a sucky leader, and will replace them with someone that is more liked by more people with less divisiveness and without inevitably devolving to a two-party system.

 

[Emily Lake]

You have gone off on an odd soapbox here. It's like you have entirely failed to comprehend that FPTP isn't the only possible voting system available, and have instead decided to lecture me on the evils of not voting at all as if that has any relevance to my post.

The voting method is irrelevant if districts are far from competitive.

Will you expand on this? I don't know what you mean.

 

[ZiprHead]

TRUMP LOST. Vote Suppression Won.

Here are the numbers from investigative reporter Greg Palast...

hartmannreport.com

Trump lost. That is, if all legal voters were allowed to vote, if all legal ballots were counted, Trump would have lost the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia. Vice-President Kamala Harris would have won the Presidency with 286 electoral votes.

And, if not for the mass purge of voters of color, if not for the mass disqualification of provisional and mail-in ballots, if not for the new mass “vigilante” challenges in swing states, Harris would have gained at least another 3,565,000 votes, topping Trump’s official popular vote tally by 1.2 million.

Stay with me and I’ll give you the means, methods and, most important, the key calculations.

Here are key numbers:

— 4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.
— By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.
— No fewer than 2,121,000 mail-in ballots were disqualified for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).
— At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.
— 1,216,000 “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.
— 3.24 million new registrations were rejected or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.

If the purges, challenges and ballot rejections were random, it wouldn’t matter. It’s anything but random. For example, an audit by the State of Washington found that a Black voter was 400% more likely than a white voter to have their mail-in ballot rejected. Rejection of Black in-person votes, according to a US Civil Rights Commission study in Florida, ran 14.3% or one in seven ballots cast.

There are also the uncountable effects of the explosive growth of voter intimidation tactics including the bomb threats that closed 31 polling stations in Atlanta on Election Day.

Thoughts?

 

[Elixir]

Thoughts?

Yeah. That IS the lay of the land. If the fascists’ cheats can’t be nullified (afaics they can’t), the final nail will be driven home in 13 months.
If that sounds fatalistic to anyone, I beseech them to point out the light they see at the end of the tunnel, because it looks darker by the day, to me.

 

[Elixir]

you have entirely failed to comprehend that FPTP isn't the only possible voting system available

You have failed to comprehend that FPTP IS the only system available to Americans, regardless of what is or may have been “possible”.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You have gone off on an odd soapbox here. It's like you have entirely failed to comprehend that FPTP isn't the only possible voting system available, and have instead decided to lecture me on the evils of not voting at all as if that has any relevance to my post.

The voting method is irrelevant if districts are far from competitive.

Will you expand on this? I don't know what you mean.

There will shortly be no point voting for House seats (hence who cares how the votes get counted), the seats will be effectively fixed until the next gerrymander. Of course, in places like Ohio, that'll be impossible because the State Legislature is so gerrymandered, it'll require a blue asteroid to take the Legislature.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

TRUMP LOST. Vote Suppression Won.

Here are the numbers from investigative reporter Greg Palast...

hartmannreport.com

Trump lost. That is, if all legal voters were allowed to vote, if all legal ballots were counted, Trump would have lost the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia. Vice-President Kamala Harris would have won the Presidency with 286 electoral votes.

And, if not for the mass purge of voters of color, if not for the mass disqualification of provisional and mail-in ballots, if not for the new mass “vigilante” challenges in swing states, Harris would have gained at least another 3,565,000 votes, topping Trump’s official popular vote tally by 1.2 million.

Stay with me and I’ll give you the means, methods and, most important, the key calculations.

Here are key numbers:

— 4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.
— By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.
— No fewer than 2,121,000 mail-in ballots were disqualified for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).
— At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.
— 1,216,000 “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.
— 3.24 million new registrations were rejected or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.

If the purges, challenges and ballot rejections were random, it wouldn’t matter. It’s anything but random. For example, an audit by the State of Washington found that a Black voter was 400% more likely than a white voter to have their mail-in ballot rejected. Rejection of Black in-person votes, according to a US Civil Rights Commission study in Florida, ran 14.3% or one in seven ballots cast.

There are also the uncountable effects of the explosive growth of voter intimidation tactics including the bomb threats that closed 31 polling stations in Atlanta on Election Day.

Thoughts?

Exit polls indicated Trump won. 'nuff said... move on.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Exit polls indicated Trump won. 'nuff said... move on.

Then we should do exit polling to determine elections. Could save a lot of time and money that way!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Exit polls indicated Trump won. 'nuff said... move on.

Then we should do exit polling to determine elections. Could save a lot of time and money that way!

The exit polls matched up with the counted vote. In 2020, Exit Polling showed Georgia was razor tight and in Biden's favor. Exit Polling is why those in the election centrals on Election Day were drinking vodka straight up. They aren't gospel, but I'm going to need a lot of data to justify tossing that out, when it aligned with the results. Harris lost 2 million votes to Biden in California, where we know voter purges didn't happen.

 

[Elixir]

Harris lost 2 million votes to Biden in California, where we know voter purges didn't happen.

Low charisma is the kiss of death now that elections are decided by volumes of tv and internet propaganda.

 

[thebeave]

TRUMP LOST. Vote Suppression Won.

Here are the numbers from investigative reporter Greg Palast...

hartmannreport.com

Trump lost. That is, if all legal voters were allowed to vote, if all legal ballots were counted, Trump would have lost the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia. Vice-President Kamala Harris would have won the Presidency with 286 electoral votes.

And, if not for the mass purge of voters of color, if not for the mass disqualification of provisional and mail-in ballots, if not for the new mass “vigilante” challenges in swing states, Harris would have gained at least another 3,565,000 votes, topping Trump’s official popular vote tally by 1.2 million.

Stay with me and I’ll give you the means, methods and, most important, the key calculations.

Here are key numbers:

— 4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.
— By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.
— No fewer than 2,121,000 mail-in ballots were disqualified for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).
— At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.
— 1,216,000 “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.
— 3.24 million new registrations were rejected or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.

If the purges, challenges and ballot rejections were random, it wouldn’t matter. It’s anything but random. For example, an audit by the State of Washington found that a Black voter was 400% more likely than a white voter to have their mail-in ballot rejected. Rejection of Black in-person votes, according to a US Civil Rights Commission study in Florida, ran 14.3% or one in seven ballots cast.

There are also the uncountable effects of the explosive growth of voter intimidation tactics including the bomb threats that closed 31 polling stations in Atlanta on Election Day.

Thoughts?

Couldn't you find similar problems in pretty much any election, that might have lead to a different outcome? Rejection of ballots for various technical/clerical reasons is nothing new. Is the claim here that Republican election workers across the country conspired to "steal the election" (much like Democrats supposedly did in 2020, at least according to a certain sore loser)? Interesting about Washington state. Kamala won that state handily, despite the supposed racist shenanigans. How would the Republican election workers handling those ballots know who is white or black (or other)? Do people routinely declare their ethnicity on their ballots? I don't recall that being the case.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

TRUMP LOST. Vote Suppression Won.

Here are the numbers from investigative reporter Greg Palast...

hartmannreport.com

Trump lost. That is, if all legal voters were allowed to vote, if all legal ballots were counted, Trump would have lost the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia. Vice-President Kamala Harris would have won the Presidency with 286 electoral votes.

And, if not for the mass purge of voters of color, if not for the mass disqualification of provisional and mail-in ballots, if not for the new mass “vigilante” challenges in swing states, Harris would have gained at least another 3,565,000 votes, topping Trump’s official popular vote tally by 1.2 million.

Stay with me and I’ll give you the means, methods and, most important, the key calculations.

Here are key numbers:

— 4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.
— By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.
— No fewer than 2,121,000 mail-in ballots were disqualified for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).
— At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.
— 1,216,000 “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.
— 3.24 million new registrations were rejected or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.

If the purges, challenges and ballot rejections were random, it wouldn’t matter. It’s anything but random. For example, an audit by the State of Washington found that a Black voter was 400% more likely than a white voter to have their mail-in ballot rejected. Rejection of Black in-person votes, according to a US Civil Rights Commission study in Florida, ran 14.3% or one in seven ballots cast.

There are also the uncountable effects of the explosive growth of voter intimidation tactics including the bomb threats that closed 31 polling stations in Atlanta on Election Day.

Thoughts?

Exit polls indicated Trump won. 'nuff said... move on.

What was interesting/horrifying about the exit polls was that when asked about policies that people supported, Trumpites picked policies that the Dems were promoting and that Trump was against.

People run from rain but sit in bathtubs full of water -Bukowski