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The trials of the Capitol assaulters

Rhea

Cyborg with a Tiara
Staff member
I don’t blame the capitol police for having no time for the people who supported attackers.
 
From TheHill:
Video shows officers, who said the group was trespassing and “obstructing entrance into this facility,” denying the trio entry.

“The supervisor came down and was standing right here and turned her back on me. The other one said she won’t talk anymore and that we’re trespassers,” Gohmert said in comments to the press after the situation.

“We’re in totalitarian, Marxist territory here. This is the way third-world people get treated,” he added.

...
Gaetz tweeted a clip of him locked out of the facility saying the three were going to review “the conditions of the January 6th prisoners.”

“The door's locked and we’re just here to ask questions and now they’ve locked the door and not given us access,” Gaetz said.

“This was apparently a bait and switch. We are here just to speak to a supervisor and when the supervisor came out and we came out to have that discussion, they literally ran behind us and locked the doors,” he added.
The Recount on Twitter: "TRESPASSING: GOP Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Louie Gohmert, and Matt Gaetz are denied entry to a corrections facility holding January 6th prisoners. (link)" / Twitter

They seem like card-carrying members of the American Civil Liberties Union. :D

I remember when George Bush I used "card-carrying member of the ACLU" as an insult when he was running for President back in 1988.

It’s funny how actually living in terrible prison conditions can change a person’s perspective on terrible prison conditions.

I wonder if the ACLU will help them given how often such people vilify the ACLU.
 

Keith&Co.

Contributor
I wonder if the ACLU will help them given how often such people vilify the ACLU.
Of course they would, if asked. They have helped Nazis before.
But...there are people watching. People who would love to be able to say "Nazis Need Help From ACLU!" And would bring it up every election.

But, are these people on lockdown for what they did in January? Or fir their current stance on masks, vaccines, etc.? Same for the 'inspectors.'

A Trident sub recently pulled into port abruptly because of 16 or so cases of C19 in the crew. Interrupted an extremely expensive operation.

I can really see not letting Greene into my sub, prison, day care, old folk's home, or car without knowing her vax status.
 

Jarhyn

Contributor
I wonder if the ACLU will help them given how often such people vilify the ACLU.
Of course they would, if asked. They have helped Nazis before.
But...there are people watching. People who would love to be able to say "Nazis Need Help From ACLU!" And would bring it up every election.

But, are these people on lockdown for what they did in January? Or fir their current stance on masks, vaccines, etc.? Same for the 'inspectors.'

A Trident sub recently pulled into port abruptly because of 16 or so cases of C19 in the crew. Interrupted an extremely expensive operation.

I can really see not letting Greene into my sub, prison, day care, old folk's home, or car without knowing her vax status.

I gotta say, it did feel nice this afternoon telling a wad of plague rats on the sidewalk to get fucked, as they were on their way to the shitty circus happening nearby today in the city.

I certainly won't be attending such events for some time, so long as the plague rats are out in force at them.

It's almost enough to take up drinking milkshakes.
 

Keith&Co.

Contributor
That was just some photo op because no one with a functioning brain would think they have a right to enter any corrections facility.

Oh, i'm sure they have the right. Whatshispedo is on the judiciary committee after all. But i am also sure there is a process, initiated well in advance. You don't just show up and say, "I'm here tae see yer tapestries," and walk inside.
Gosh, cannot imagine these fucking idiots skipping the Bare Minimum to accomplish a stated goal. And then having the audacity to look surprised....
 

Jarhyn

Contributor
That was just some photo op because no one with a functioning brain would think they have a right to enter any corrections facility.

Oh, i'm sure they have the right. Whatshispedo is on the judiciary committee after all. But i am also sure there is a process, initiated well in advance. You don't just show up and say, "I'm here tae see yer tapestries," and walk inside.
Gosh, cannot imagine these fucking idiots skipping the Bare Minimum to accomplish a stated goal. And then having the audacity to look surprised....

I'm not sure. It may be something that, for very good and clear reason, the warden and those involved may have more immediate authority to deny this request than even someone on the judiciary committee has power to go above.

I would be interested to see an analysis of the legalities and authority structures at play here.

Recall that even if the post general himself walked in and sauntered up to the arms room, that lowly private would be EXPECTED to tell him that he cannot give the general a rifle from this arms room, sir, and they will have to come back once proper orders have been received.
 

Keith&Co.

Contributor
the warden and those involved may have more immediate authority to deny this request than even someone on the judiciary committee has power to go above.
Well, being on the committee doesn't grant actual power as in the chain of command. But there could be repercussions for pissing off a congresscritter who could vote on your funding.
We were alwsys nice to Congresspeople that came out, but they always made sure to arrange every detail. Either thrir office or someone trying to cover the aide's ignorance to ensure a good visit.
 

lpetrich

Contributor
GOP Congressman Says He Wants to Bust Out Jan. 6 ‘Political Prisoners’
When Republican Rep. Madison Cawthorn was asked about what he’s doing to help the hundreds in jail awaiting trial for their roles in the violent January 6 riots, he called them “political prisoners”—and said he wanted to “bust them out.”

“The big problem is we don’t actually know who all the political prisoners are, and so if we were actually to go and try to bust them out—and let me tell you, the reason why they have taken these political prisoners is they’re trying to make an example, because they don’t want to see the mass protest going on in Washington,” he said at a Macon County Republican Party event on Sunday.
His speech was streamed live on Facebook by the Macon County Republican Party on Sunday.

Yancy on Twitter: "Tonight @RepCawthorn was @ a GOP event in NC. He repeatedly refers to the 1/6 arrestees as political prisoners. In the context of that, he's asked at 0:57 of this clip, "When are you gonna call us to Washington again?" He responds, "we are actively working on that one." 1/2 (link)" / Twitter

Yancy on Twitter: "2/2 @fbi @SpeakerPelosi @BennieGThompson @RepAdamSchiff @PeteAguilar @RepRaskin @ElaineLuriaVA @RepLizCheney @RepKinzinger @SpeakerPelosi Cawthorn admits they are planning a second insurrection. Watch the video in the 1st tweet in the thread. It's from a tonight in Macon Co, NC" / Twitter

Yancy on Twitter: "@ColMorrisDavis @NonNumberChar @trustscience92 @muh_thoughts @FPWellman @WNC_Politico @davidbwheeler Make this go viral. Cawthorn admitted involvement in 1/6 and that he's involved in planning another. Thanks to @imma_back for the Facebook Live video from the GOP event tonight." / Twitter
 

jab

Veteran Member
GOP Congressman Says He Wants to Bust Out Jan. 6 ‘Political Prisoners’
When Republican Rep. Madison Cawthorn was asked about what he’s doing to help the hundreds in jail awaiting trial for their roles in the violent January 6 riots, he called them “political prisoners”—and said he wanted to “bust them out.”

“The big problem is we don’t actually know who all the political prisoners are, and so if we were actually to go and try to bust them out—and let me tell you, the reason why they have taken these political prisoners is they’re trying to make an example, because they don’t want to see the mass protest going on in Washington,” he said at a Macon County Republican Party event on Sunday.
His speech was streamed live on Facebook by the Macon County Republican Party on Sunday.

Yancy on Twitter: "Tonight @RepCawthorn was @ a GOP event in NC. He repeatedly refers to the 1/6 arrestees as political prisoners. In the context of that, he's asked at 0:57 of this clip, "When are you gonna call us to Washington again?" He responds, "we are actively working on that one." 1/2 (link)" / Twitter

Yancy on Twitter: "2/2 @fbi @SpeakerPelosi @BennieGThompson @RepAdamSchiff @PeteAguilar @RepRaskin @ElaineLuriaVA @RepLizCheney @RepKinzinger @SpeakerPelosi Cawthorn admits they are planning a second insurrection. Watch the video in the 1st tweet in the thread. It's from a tonight in Macon Co, NC" / Twitter

Yancy on Twitter: "@ColMorrisDavis @NonNumberChar @trustscience92 @muh_thoughts @FPWellman @WNC_Politico @davidbwheeler Make this go viral. Cawthorn admitted involvement in 1/6 and that he's involved in planning another. Thanks to @imma_back for the Facebook Live video from the GOP event tonight." / Twitter

Sounds like you guys in the U. S. have a traitor in Congress.
 

Trausti

Contributor
Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources

“Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."

But so far prosecutors have steered clear of more serious, politically-loaded charges that the sources said had been initially discussed by prosecutors, such as seditious conspiracy or racketeering.

In public comments last month to the Democratic-led congressional committee formed to investigate the violence, police officers injured in the mayhem urged lawmakers to determine whether Trump helped instigate it. Some Democrats have said they want him to testify.

But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.
 

ZiprHead

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources





In public comments last month to the Democratic-led congressional committee formed to investigate the violence, police officers injured in the mayhem urged lawmakers to determine whether Trump helped instigate it. Some Democrats have said they want him to testify.

But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.

There was little coordination during the French revolution too. Didn't stop heads from rolling.

You appear to be trying to downplay the seriousness of the 1/6 insurrection. Why?
 

Elixir

Content Thief
Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources





In public comments last month to the Democratic-led congressional committee formed to investigate the violence, police officers injured in the mayhem urged lawmakers to determine whether Trump helped instigate it. Some Democrats have said they want him to testify.

But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.

There was little coordination during the French revolution too. Didn't stop heads from rolling.


Hard to prove (at this point) that Trump knowingly, passively abetted insurrection by not discouraging a ragtag mob of violence-prone organizations and individuals from assembling then marching on and attacking the Capitol...

His intent to kill Mike pence isn't likely to leave any evidence, his desire to suspend Constitutional process was clear and up front. There would be little or no evidence of illegal involvement on Trump's part no matter how deeply and directly he was involved in planning the outcome, because just like in the Russia collusion, it was all verbal. And even then, implied rather than stated outright - mobster-style. Translators silenced, no recordings. If there's one thing Trump knows how to do it's to keep Trump and consequences well separated. Barring some really strong witness testimony from people not likely to give it, "beyond reasonable doubt" is going to be a hard sell to a jury.

I would argue that he could have intervened in and stopped a violent crime against the Constitution and the Citizens of the United States of America, and failed to do so. The ONLY reason was that Trump thought there was a possibility the mob might put a halt to constitutional processes (and maybe even hang Mike Pence!) so he could be re-throned. Corrupt intent? IANAL, but it looks like a fair call from here.
At some point, criminal charges have to come into play. There may be 30% of the potential jury pool who wouldn't vote to convict Trump even if he shot their mother on 5th Avenue, but charges still need to be brought when the crimes are committed - just ask any lawnorder Republican.

Zipr said:
You [@Trausti] appear to be trying to downplay the seriousness of the 1/6 insurrection. Why?

Yeah, inquiring minds want to know. :rolleyes:
 

RVonse

Veteran Member
You appear to be trying to downplay the seriousness of the 1/6 insurrection. Why?
Your comment was for Trausti and not myself. But I'm pretty sure everyone politically believes what happened was serious. The big difference Trausti sheds light on, is that the CNN camp would believe these were conspiracies committed to a legitimate government by political organizations, therefore warranting serious consequences. Where as I am guessing the other camp also believes this was profoundly serious. But as a badly needed wake up call just how much hated the elite are in Washington right now.

So both camps probably believe this was a serious event. Just different reasons why it was serious.
 

Trausti

Contributor
Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources





In public comments last month to the Democratic-led congressional committee formed to investigate the violence, police officers injured in the mayhem urged lawmakers to determine whether Trump helped instigate it. Some Democrats have said they want him to testify.

But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.

There was little coordination during the French revolution too. Didn't stop heads from rolling.

You appear to be trying to downplay the seriousness of the 1/6 insurrection. Why?

How many have been charged with insurrection / sedition?
 

ZiprHead

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
The answer is ZERO.

Is that supposed to mean something?

You insist on labeling them insurrectionist. Is this due to ignorance or calumny?

insurrection n

: the act or an instance of revolting esp. violently against civil or political authority or against an established government. ;also. : the crime of inciting or engaging in such revolt [whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or against the authority of the United States…

So are you saying the above didn't happen on 1/6?
 

Trausti

Contributor
You insist on labeling them insurrectionist. Is this due to ignorance or calumny?

insurrection n

: the act or an instance of revolting esp. violently against civil or political authority or against an established government. ;also. : the crime of inciting or engaging in such revolt [whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or against the authority of the United States…

So are you saying the above didn't happen on 1/6?

Woah there, Mr. Straw man. Some may have trespassed and others destroyed property. But there’s no insurrection or seditious conspiracy. Pity your precious narrative.
 

ideologyhunter

Veteran Member
They had just heard the President's lawyer tell them they needed to have trial by combat. Their President had just filled their heads with lies about The Steal, about Mike Pence's failure to act, and about the fraudulent vote certification about to take place -- and that if they didn't fight for their country, they wouldn't have a country. That they should go to the Capitol and he would be with them. Right. They became a mob of criminal Republicans who broke into the #1 symbol of our democracy, chanting that they were going to hang the Vice President. And they trashed the place. And they did, for the hours they rampaged, bring the democratic process to a halt.
Fuck a political party that could produce a mob like that and then make all kinds of back-end justifications and qualifications for that mob. Fuck a party that has so little patriotism that it is willing to perpetuate Trump's lies about 2020, no matter what damage that does to the country. Hypocrisy, cowardice, and outrageous lies are the hallmarks of the GOP.
 

Harry Bosch

Contributor
So are you saying the above didn't happen on 1/6?

Woah there, Mr. Straw man. Some may have trespassed and others destroyed property. But there’s no insurrection or seditious conspiracy. Pity your precious narrative.

Maybe it wasn't exactly an "insurrection". But the rioters and some republican politicians tried to stop the certification of the election. A constitutionally required activity.
 

Swammerdami

Squadron Leader
Staff member
The answer is ZERO.

Is that supposed to mean something?

You insist on labeling them insurrectionist. Is this due to ignorance or calumny?

As a matter of simple English usage, I certainly regard the Jan. 6 insurrectionists to be "insurrectionists" whether prosecutors used that term in the charging documents or not. It is extremely common for criminals to be charged only with lesser, easier-to-prove crimes.

And by the way, are you aware that insulting a fellow poster is against TFT rules?
 

laughing dog

Contributor
So are you saying the above didn't happen on 1/6?

Woah there, Mr. Straw man. Some may have trespassed and others destroyed property. But there’s no insurrection or seditious conspiracy. Pity your precious narrative.
Unless you are omnipotent, you have no basis for the factual claim of no insurrection or seditious conspiracy. Sedition is simply "conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch". The protesters were clearly rebelling against the authority of the state. And the protesters were clearly egged on by the speech of some people. Moreover, there is evidence that some of the protesters co-ordinated their efforts to get to DC and to protest. Hell, there is even evidence that some of the protesters were in contact with the Trump campaign.

Now, whether or not
1) their actions and efforts meet the legal standard of sedition, or
2) there is sufficient evidence to expect a conviction, or
3) it is wise to indict and try these protesters for sedition,

is an open question. But it is a fact that some of these protesters and their enablers engaged in sedition and conspired to engage in sedition.
 

ZiprHead

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
So are you saying the above didn't happen on 1/6?

Woah there, Mr. Straw man. Some may have trespassed and others destroyed property. But there’s no insurrection or seditious conspiracy. Pity your precious narrative.
Unless you are omnipotent, you have no basis for the factual claim of no insurrection or seditious conspiracy. Sedition is simply "conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch". The protesters were clearly rebelling against the authority of the state. And the protesters were clearly egged on by the speech of some people. Moreover, there is evidence that some of the protesters co-ordinated their efforts to get to DC and to protest. Hell, there is even evidence that some of the protesters were in contact with the Trump campaign.

Now, whether or not
1) their actions and efforts meet the legal standard of sedition, or
2) there is sufficient evidence to expect a conviction, or
3) it is wise to indict and try these protesters for sedition,

is an open question. But it is a fact that some of these protesters and their enablers engaged in sedition and conspired to engage in sedition.

Willful ignorance. The prime trait of right-wingers.
 

blastula

Contributor
Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources





In public comments last month to the Democratic-led congressional committee formed to investigate the violence, police officers injured in the mayhem urged lawmakers to determine whether Trump helped instigate it. Some Democrats have said they want him to testify.

But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.

There was little coordination during the French revolution too. Didn't stop heads from rolling.

You appear to be trying to downplay the seriousness of the 1/6 insurrection. Why?

Because orange man good and needs to be protected at all costs.
 

lpetrich

Contributor
'QAnon Shaman' Reaches Plea Deal, Now 'Repudiates' Association With 'Q,' Lawyer Says | HuffPost
Jacob Chansley’s lawyer called for “patience and compassion” for his client, who he said has “genuine mental health issues.”

The man known as the “QAnon Shaman” has reached a plea deal with federal prosecutors after spending several months behind bars following his arrest for his conduct on Jan. 6, and no longer wants to be associated with the QAnon movement, his lawyer said Thursday.
 

lpetrich

Contributor
Jan. 6 Rioter Goes Back To Jail Over 'Addiction' To Online Conspiracy Theories | HuffPost
A QAnon conspiracy theorist who stormed the U.S. Capitol in support of former President Donald Trump was ordered jailed once again on Thursday after he went online to watch conspiracy videos in violation of his conditions of pretrial release.

Doug Jensen was arrested in Des Moines, Iowa, just two days after the Capitol attack. HuffPost reporter Igor Bobic captured video of Jensen at the head of a mob as he chased Officer Eugene Goodman up a flight of stairs and came within a few feet of the entrance to the Senate chamber.

...
Jensen was released from jail, over the government’s objection, under strict conditions in July. As BuzzFeed News reported last month, a court officer discovered Jensen was using a WiFi-connected iPhone to watch videos online, and had watched a so-called “cyber symposium” that was hosted by MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, a prominent conspiracy theorist who has boosted baseless claims that the 2020 election was stolen.
How many others are also guilty of similar release-terms violations?
 

T.G.G. Moogly

Formerly Joedad
'QAnon Shaman' Reaches Plea Deal, Now 'Repudiates' Association With 'Q,' Lawyer Says | HuffPost
Jacob Chansley’s lawyer called for “patience and compassion” for his client, who he said has “genuine mental health issues.”

The man known as the “QAnon Shaman” has reached a plea deal with federal prosecutors after spending several months behind bars following his arrest for his conduct on Jan. 6, and no longer wants to be associated with the QAnon movement, his lawyer said Thursday.

I thought the interview was interesting, particularly his saying that he regretted "entering that building with every fiber of my being."

That seems to be the red line for lots of these rioters. They just don't want to pay the price for their behavior.

Some of us, obviously, have better command and control of our behavior. We question claims that are only claims, regardless of how those claims make us feel, whether good or bad, regardless of our emotional attachment. We decide that hearing a claim feels pretty damn good or it makes us pretty damn angry, but it doesn't drive us to do something really stupid.

Chansley was really miffed that he didn't get pardoned but at the time of the interview he was still loyal to Orange.

Thought to add this quote from the article:

“The road leading up to the events of January 6 traversed years. The path charted by Mr. Chansley since January 6 has been a process, one which has involved pain, depression, solitary confinement, introspection, recognition of mental health vulnerabilities, and a coming to grips with the need for more self-work,” Watkins said. “It is imperative that patience and compassion be accorded those, who like Mr. Chansley, were non-violent, peaceful and possessed of genuine mental health issues which rendered them more vulnerable to the propaganda of the day but who, at the end of day, seek to be accountable for their actions.”

I can certainly go along with that.
 

TomC

Veteran Member
I thought the interview was interesting, particularly his saying that he regretted "entering that building with every fiber of my being."

That seems to be the red line for lots of these rioters. They just don't want to pay the price for their behavior.

Some of us, obviously, have better command and control of our behavior. We question claims that are only claims, regardless of how those claims make us feel, whether good or bad, regardless of our emotional attachment. We decide that hearing a claim feels pretty damn good or it makes us pretty damn angry, but it doesn't drive us to do something really stupid.

Chansley was really miffed that he didn't get pardoned but at the time of the interview he was still loyal to Orange.

Thought to add this quote from the article:

“The road leading up to the events of January 6 traversed years. The path charted by Mr. Chansley since January 6 has been a process, one which has involved pain, depression, solitary confinement, introspection, recognition of mental health vulnerabilities, and a coming to grips with the need for more self-work,” Watkins said. “It is imperative that patience and compassion be accorded those, who like Mr. Chansley, were non-violent, peaceful and possessed of genuine mental health issues which rendered them more vulnerable to the propaganda of the day but who, at the end of day, seek to be accountable for their actions.”

I can certainly go along with that.

I still want to hear something like, "Trump lied. I believed him. My life is ruined!".
Tom
 

Trausti

Contributor
So are you saying the above didn't happen on 1/6?

Woah there, Mr. Straw man. Some may have trespassed and others destroyed property. But there’s no insurrection or seditious conspiracy. Pity your precious narrative.
Unless you are omnipotent, you have no basis for the factual claim of no insurrection or seditious conspiracy. Sedition is simply "conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch". The protesters were clearly rebelling against the authority of the state. And the protesters were clearly egged on by the speech of some people. Moreover, there is evidence that some of the protesters co-ordinated their efforts to get to DC and to protest. Hell, there is even evidence that some of the protesters were in contact with the Trump campaign.

Now, whether or not
1) their actions and efforts meet the legal standard of sedition, or
2) there is sufficient evidence to expect a conviction, or
3) it is wise to indict and try these protesters for sedition,

is an open question. But it is a fact that some of these protesters and their enablers engaged in sedition and conspired to engage in sedition.

But none of them have been charged with that. It's been, what, nine months?
 

Ford

Contributor
I thought the interview was interesting, particularly his saying that he regretted "entering that building with every fiber of my being."

That seems to be the red line for lots of these rioters. They just don't want to pay the price for their behavior.

Some of us, obviously, have better command and control of our behavior. We question claims that are only claims, regardless of how those claims make us feel, whether good or bad, regardless of our emotional attachment. We decide that hearing a claim feels pretty damn good or it makes us pretty damn angry, but it doesn't drive us to do something really stupid.

Chansley was really miffed that he didn't get pardoned but at the time of the interview he was still loyal to Orange.

Thought to add this quote from the article:

“The road leading up to the events of January 6 traversed years. The path charted by Mr. Chansley since January 6 has been a process, one which has involved pain, depression, solitary confinement, introspection, recognition of mental health vulnerabilities, and a coming to grips with the need for more self-work,” Watkins said. “It is imperative that patience and compassion be accorded those, who like Mr. Chansley, were non-violent, peaceful and possessed of genuine mental health issues which rendered them more vulnerable to the propaganda of the day but who, at the end of day, seek to be accountable for their actions.”

I can certainly go along with that.

I still want to hear something like, "Trump lied. I believed him. My life is ruined!".
Tom


On another forum I said this:

Funny, isn't it? These guys who thought they were starting a revolution - and were so convinced of their righteousness that they filmed their crimes - knuckle under when faced with federal charges.


Someone responded with:

Bullies are always cowards.
 

ZiprHead

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
Capitol Police recommend disciplinary action for six officers

The U.S. Capitol Police recommended disciplinary action for six officers following an internal investigation into the behavior of some members of the force who responded to the Jan. 6 attack.

In a statement released Saturday, the Capitol Police said the department’s office of professional responsibility opened 38 internal investigations related to the misconduct probe. Of those investigations, six cases sustained violations and were recommended for disciplinary action.

The Justice Department did not find sufficient evidence that any of the officers committed a crime, according to the release.

Three of the violations sustained were for “conduct unbecoming,” the agency said. One case involved a failure to comply with directives, one involved improper remarks, and the last involved “improper dissemination of information.”

In another case, an official is accused of unsatisfactory performance and conduct unbecoming, but the Capitol Police said in the release that the case is still pending.
 

ZiprHead

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member
Hundreds of law enforcement officials were prepped early for potential Jan. 6 violence

Just two days before armed rioters stormed and ransacked the Capitol, about 300 law enforcement officials got on a conference call to talk about the possibility that Donald Trump’s supporters would turn violent on Jan. 6. They specifically discussed the possibility that the day’s gatherings would turn into a mass-casualty event, and they made plans on how to communicate with each other if that happened.

The officials were so prepared for chaos that they even had a hashtag to share information on the FBI’s private communication service: #CERTUNREST2021.

These previously unreported details come from a person familiar with the call and an email summarizing it obtained by the transparency group Property of the People. The Wall Street Journal first reported that the call occurred.

“Reporting indicates a significant number of individual [sic] plan to or are advocating for others to travel to Washington, DC to engage in civil unrest and violence,” reads the summary of the call, which included officials from so-called fusion centers — regional intelligence hubs set up after 9/11 to track major domestic threats.

The extent of the FBI’s awareness that the rally by Trump backers could turn violent raises fresh questions about why national security and law enforcement officials didn’t do more to protect the Capitol on that volatile day.
 

lpetrich

Contributor
Jenna Ryan sentenced to 60 days in jail on Capitol riot charge | wusa9.com - "Ryan was one of a group of Texans who took a private plane to Washington, D.C., on January 6 and eventually entered the U.S. Capitol Building."
She earlier tweeted
Jenna Ryan
@dotjenna

Replying to @tysonstuart
Definitely not going to jail. Sorry | have blonde hair white skin a great job a great future and I'm not going to jail. Sorry to rain on your hater parade. I did nothing wrong

9:43 AM • 3/26/21 • Twitter for iPhone
But she did.

Jenna Ryan Convinced She Won't Go to Jail, Apologizes for Having White Skin, Blond Hair | Dallas Observer
From her tweets about heil-ing Hitler to her unabashed support of the alleged Kenosha shooter, Jenna Ryan sure knows how to agitate her social media followers. Last week, the embattled Frisco real estate broker again enraged many when she appeared to tweet that her blond hair and white skin amount to a get-out-of-jail-free card.

Ryan became an international target of derision after she flew on a private plane to attend the Jan. 6 “Stop the Steal” rally in Washington. There, she allegedly participated in the storming of the U.S. Capitol, livestreaming herself entering the building and posing next to broken windows.
Jenna Ryan on Twitter: "FYI: There is a good-old-boys club in the conservative alt news... They don't like strong women unless super gorgeous or in dire straights. A strong, independent woman with intelligence is not welcome in Alt Media today. MSM is more open to me than so-called Patriot media outlets" / Twitter
then
Jenna Ryan on Twitter: "I should be supported by alt right media outlets, however, I am being left to the vultures of the Left. It's pretty sad that Infowars or The Gateway Pundit has totally avoided my story, while every MSM outlet on the planet is asking for a statement. Quite obvious glass ceiling." / Twitter

Someone responded
tysonstuart on Twitter: "@dotjenna (link)" / Twitter
"You're going to jail. You're going to jail. Everybody going to jail." Overlaid of a clip of Oprah Winfrey in action in her TV show.

She responded
Jenna Ryan on Twitter: "@tysonstuart Definitely not going to jail. Sorry I have blonde hair white skin a great job a great future and I'm not going to jail. Sorry to rain on your hater parade. I did nothing wrong" / Twitter

Frisco Real Estate Broker Jenna Ryan Sentenced in Capitol Riot Case – NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth
Jennifer Leigh Ryan, also known as Jenna Ryan, surrendered just days after the insurrection, the Dallas FBI confirmed to NBC 5 in January. She was taken into custody and her home searched by federal investigators.

In the criminal complaint against Ryan, FBI special agent Amie Stemen said Ryan knowingly entered a restricted building where the vice president was present and engaged in disruptive conduct in the Capitol with the intent to disrupt the session of Congress.
 

lpetrich

Contributor
Greene granted permission to enter 'patriot wing' of DC jail to visit Jan. 6 defendants | TheHill
Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.) was finally granted access late Thursday night to enter the D.C. Department of Corrections to visit accused Jan. 6 rioters after months of trying.

Her office confirmed her visit in a statement, saying she had visited the "patriot wing" of the D.C. Jail on a three-hour tour and spoken directly with the accused Jan. 6 rioters.

Her office added that Greene was granted access only after "months of requesting access with letter after letter and call after call."
Marjorie Taylor Greene 🇺🇸 on Twitter: "1. Last night we toured the DC jail. ..." / Twitter
1. Last night we toured the DC jail.

My staff and I are writing a full report this morning on our 3+ hour long tour.

I’ve never seen human suffering like I witnessed last night.

While some were shown to us in seemingly beneficial programs, others were in tortuous lockdown.

2. Some inmates were receiving continuing education classes, others were truly suffering from long stays in solitary confinement for “bad behavior.”

I’ll never forget hearing their screams.

This was in a different part of the jail, not the J6 part.

Being alone surely is hell.

3. At what seemed the end of our tour as we were being led toward the exit, we had not seen the J6 defendants yet.

I asked to see them & was told it was not part of my tour.

I demanded to see them and would have gone scorched earth if I was not allowed and was making it known.

4. Phone calls were made & permission was given.

We then were taken to another section of the jail and entered the Patriot wing.

I was greeted by men with overwhelming cheers who rushed out to meet me with tears streaming down their faces.

They have felt forgotten & hopeless.

5. It was like walking into a prisoner of war camp and seeing men who eyes can’t believe someone had made it in to see them.

They are suffering greatly.

Virtually no medical care, very poor food quality, and being put through re-education which most of them are rejecting.

6. Our detailed report will outline everything we saw in every area of the jail we were allowed to see, on behalf of all inmates.

7. I am committed to ending this political war and seeing that our justice system is never used against Americans as a political weapon ever again.

I am also beginning a plan for real prison reform.

Our nation is broken and our people are divided.

It’s time to fix it.
I enjoyed reading this, because I enjoyed watching what happens when the shoe is on the other foot, when it's right-wingers' favorite people who are suffering.
 

southernhybrid

Contributor
I just read and am "gifting" an I interesting article from WaPo.. It claims that after an investigation, it was found that only a small percentage of those who participated in the capital invasion had alliances with far right groups. To me, it sounds as if most of the invaders got riled up by Trump and began rioting. Most of them had no criminal records and had no plans of doing anything like they did on January 6th. Perhaps this says more about humans and how easily some groups can be easily lead to riot. I think the article will be available to be read in its entirety for 2 weeks, if I remember correctly the rules that allow subscribers to gift articles. So, make of it what you will.

https://wapo.st/30c4JHW
 
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Jimmy Higgins

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I just read and am "gifting" an I interesting article from WaPo, that I read a few minutes ago. It claims that after an investigation, it was found that only a small percentage of those who participated in the capital invasion had alliances with far right groups. To me, it sounds as if most of the invaders got riled up by Trump and began rioting. Most of them had no criminal records and had no plans of doing anything like they did on January 6th. Perhaps this says more about humans and how easily some groups can be easily lead to riot. I think the article will be available to be read in its entirety for 2 weeks, if I remember correctly the rules that allow subscribers to gift articles. So, make of it what you will.

https://wapo.st/30c4JHW
This isn't new news. We've known for a bit that the people that protested weren't all anti-government doomsday preppers. They were small company owners, business managers... white collars.
 

Loren Pechtel

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Staff member
I just read and am "gifting" an I interesting article from WaPo.. It claims that after an investigation, it was found that only a small percentage of those who participated in the capital invasion had alliances with far right groups. To me, it sounds as if most of the invaders got riled up by Trump and began rioting. Most of them had no criminal records and had no plans of doing anything like they did on January 6th. Perhaps this says more about humans and how easily some groups can be easily lead to riot. I think the article will be available to be read in its entirety for 2 weeks, if I remember correctly the rules that allow subscribers to gift articles. So, make of it what you will.

https://wapo.st/30c4JHW

Agreed. Most of them were sheep, unaware of the puppet strings being pulled. That doesn't mean the puppet strings weren't there, though.
 

blastula

Contributor

Another person from Connecticut has been charged in connection with the breach at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, NBC Connecticut Investigates has learned.

The US Attorney's Office confirmed that Jeremy Baouche, 24, appeared in federal district court in New Haven Wednesday.

According to court documents, Baouche lives in New London, Connecticut and works for General Dynamics Electric Boat, which is a Department of Defense contractor. Baouche has secret security clearances as part of his job, authorities noted.

Investigators said three tips about Baouche were submitted to the federal government, two on January 13 and one on January 15. About a week later, they went to Electric Boat to try to interview him, but he said he would not speak without an attorney.

Authorities say Baouche can be seen in surveillance footage from the Capitol on January 6 wearing a leather jacket and carrying a megaphone. The arrest warrant says Baouche can be seen on open source video calling into the megaphone "Whose house?" while people in the area responded "our house," at least three times.

On Baouche's work computer, investigators found a search history including topics like the inauguration, the U.S. Capitol building layout, guns, rifle scopes, Trump protests and other related topics, according to the court documents.

In the court documents it states an Electric Boat coworker told investigators that Baouche was off on January 5 and 6 and said he was going fishing.

Keith, did you rat out your coworker?
 

lpetrich

Contributor
General Dynamics Electric Boat -  General Dynamics Electric Boat - a company that makes military submarines. -  List of submarine classes of the United States Navy

Its subs are powered by nuclear reactors, and there are two main types: attack subs and missile subs. Attack subs are designed to attack other subs and ships, by releasing torpedoes. Missile subs contain tubes that hold missiles, either cruise missiles or ballistic missiles.

I asked someone in another forum about how much shielding a submarine nuclear reactor has, and he seemed to think that it's highly classified. More recently, I looked for greatest dive depths, and that sort of number was classified also. I can find numbers for WWII submarines, but not any recent US ones.

As to possible leaks of classified information, such info is usually handled on a need-to-know basis. So if Jeremy Baouche was not working on reactor design or hull design, he may not have learned very much. But I think that this may be the end of his possible access to classified info.
 

LoAmmo

Member
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This plaque is one of many on the grounds of the former Navy Training Center in San Diego. Each one memorializes the crew of one of the submarines lost in WWII (almost always with all hands.) What a somber, and reflective, place to visit. Fair winds and following seas to your grandfather, and his shipmates.
 

lpetrich

Contributor
QAnon Shaman Is Facing Hard Jail Time for the Capitol Riot

"Jacob Chansley, who became the face of the January 6 riot, is facing the stiffest penalty prosecutors have yet to recommend for any insurrectionist."

"In a late-night court filing on Tuesday, federal prosecutors said in a memo that they were recommending a sentence of 51 months for Chansley, who became the face of the January 6 riots as a result of his striking appearance."
Prosecutors also mention the speech Chansley gave from the dais in the Senate chamber once inside.

“Thank you, Heavenly Father, for gracing us with this opportunity...to allow us to send a message to all the tyrants, the communists, and the globalists, that this is our nation, not theirs,” Chansley said, according to a quote that opens the prosecution’s sentencing memo.

In contrast, the sentencing memo filed on behalf of Chansley by his lawyer Al Watkins opens with a quote from the movie Forrest Gump (which Watkins misspells in his filing):

“My momma always said, you’ve got to put the past behind you before you can move on.”
The prosecution's sentencing memo
The defense's sentencing memo
 

T.G.G. Moogly

Formerly Joedad
I just read and am "gifting" an I interesting article from WaPo, that I read a few minutes ago. It claims that after an investigation, it was found that only a small percentage of those who participated in the capital invasion had alliances with far right groups. To me, it sounds as if most of the invaders got riled up by Trump and began rioting. Most of them had no criminal records and had no plans of doing anything like they did on January 6th. Perhaps this says more about humans and how easily some groups can be easily lead to riot. I think the article will be available to be read in its entirety for 2 weeks, if I remember correctly the rules that allow subscribers to gift articles. So, make of it what you will.

https://wapo.st/30c4JHW
This isn't new news. We've known for a bit that the people that protested weren't all anti-government doomsday preppers. They were small company owners, business managers... white collars.
But apparently lacked to a large degree critical thinking skills.
 
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