The trials of the Capitol assaulters

[Loren Pechtel]

I agree with the comment above that it’s moot, really. They WILL get into the safe. The combo allows you to still have it after they are done.

And that's a choice for the owner of the safe to make.

The worrying thing to me isn't that the police are able to get a warrant and open the safe; It's that if the safe can be non-destructively opened by someone other than its owner or someone he has explicitly decided to give access to, (including the police, or even its manufacturer), then it was never secure to begin with, and all safes of that type are, in fact, unsafe.

For dial-type safes there are robots that have a decent chance of opening them non-destructively.

 

[bilby]

I agree with the comment above that it’s moot, really. They WILL get into the safe. The combo allows you to still have it after they are done.

And that's a choice for the owner of the safe to make.

The worrying thing to me isn't that the police are able to get a warrant and open the safe; It's that if the safe can be non-destructively opened by someone other than its owner or someone he has explicitly decided to give access to, (including the police, or even its manufacturer), then it was never secure to begin with, and all safes of that type are, in fact, unsafe.

For dial-type safes there are robots that have a decent chance of opening them non-destructively.

For dial-type safes, there have been humans that have a decent chance of opening them non-destructively, for longer than there have been electronic computers, much less robots.

 

[ZiprHead]

Former GOP gubernatorial candidate Ryan Kelley sentenced to prison on Jan. 6 charges

The former candidate for Michigan governor was arrested during the Republican primary last year.

www.nbcnews.com

WASHINGTON — A former Republican candidate for governor of Michigan was sentenced Tuesday to 60 days in prison for committing a federal crime during the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Ryan Kelley, who was arrested during the Michigan gubernatorial primary last year, pleaded guilty in July to a misdemeanor count of entering and remaining on restricted grounds, admitting he "rushed past U.S. Capitol police officers" and "used his hands to support another rioter who was pulling a metal bike rack onto the scaffolding." Prosecutors also said he ripped a tarp on the inauguration stage.

 

[ZiprHead]

Former Trump State Department appointee sentenced to 70 months in prison after assaulting police officers at US Capitol

 

[jab]

Former Trump State Department appointee sentenced to 70 months in prison after assaulting police officers at US Capitol

His case and Ryan Kelly's, provide tangential precedents against Trump's claims of government-office-holding, and candidate-for- government-office immunity.

 

[ZiprHead]

Former police chief sentenced to 11 years for involvement in January 6 Capitol attack

A former California police chief who brought a hatchet to the Capitol on January 6, 2021, and gave prior speeches calling for the execution of his perceived political enemies, was sentenced to 11 years in prison Thursday.

Alan Hostetter, 59, was sentenced to 135 months – a little over 11 years – Thursday by US District Judge Royce C. Lamberth, for his involvement in the Capitol riot.

In July, Hostetter was found guilty of conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of an official proceeding, entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon, and disorderly or disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon.


Prior to the Capitol riots, the retired La Habra police chief spread several conspiracy theories about the 2020 presidential election, according to a release from the Justice Department.

Buh bye.

 

[Elixir]

Former police chief sentenced to 11 years for involvement in January 6 Capitol attack

A former California police chief who brought a hatchet to the Capitol on January 6, 2021, and gave prior speeches calling for the execution of his perceived political enemies, was sentenced to 11 years in prison Thursday.

Alan Hostetter, 59, was sentenced to 135 months – a little over 11 years – Thursday by US District Judge Royce C. Lamberth, for his involvement in the Capitol riot.

In July, Hostetter was found guilty of conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of an official proceeding, entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon, and disorderly or disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon.


Prior to the Capitol riots, the retired La Habra police chief spread several conspiracy theories about the 2020 presidential election, according to a release from the Justice Department.

Buh bye.

Disturbing to think these guys will all be turned loose with license to kill, if Cheato’s continuing coup attempt masquerading as an election campaign, should happen to succeed.

 

[ZiprHead]

FBI arrests three January 6 defendants in Florida after prolonged search

The FBI on Saturday arrested three people in Florida who were charged in connection with the US Capitol attack on January 6, 2021, and were considered fugitives after fleeing from law enforcement.

Jonathan Daniel Pollock, Olivia Michele Pollock and Joseph Daniel Hutchinson III were taken into custody early Saturday morning, according to a press release from the FBI. They are scheduled to appear in federal court in Ocala, Florida, on Monday.

The arrests come on the third anniversary of the attack on the Capitol. The legal system is still grappling with how to handle the hundreds of individuals who stormed the Capitol to keep then-President Donald Trump in the White House.

 

[blastula]

Rebecca Lavrenz goes on trial next week, she reminisces below.

 

[blastula]

The trials are done.

Trump pardons roughly 1,500 criminal defendants charged in the Jan. 6 Capitol attack

The sweeping pardons mark the beginning of the end of one of the largest investigations in FBI history.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So if a bunch of liberals storm the White House which gets it evacuated in a reckless attempt to stop Pres. Trump from issuing executive orders, they'd be able to go home?

No? I suppose that makes Trump's move quite the fascist one.

 

[Derec]

The trials are done.

Trump pardons roughly 1,500 criminal defendants charged in the Jan. 6 Capitol attack

The sweeping pardons mark the beginning of the end of one of the largest investigations in FBI history.

www.nbcnews.com

Dems/Biden really have no moral high ground here, given that he freed an AIM terrorist who executed two FBI agents.

 

[ZiprHead]

The trials are done.

Trump pardons roughly 1,500 criminal defendants charged in the Jan. 6 Capitol attack

The sweeping pardons mark the beginning of the end of one of the largest investigations in FBI history.

www.nbcnews.com

Dems/Biden really have no moral high ground here, given that he freed an AIM terrorist who executed two FBI agents.

An 80 year old freed to house arrest until February 18th when he was going to be released from prison anyway.

Spare me your misinformed comparison.

 

[laughing dog]

The trials are done.

Trump pardons roughly 1,500 criminal defendants charged in the Jan. 6 Capitol attack

The sweeping pardons mark the beginning of the end of one of the largest investigations in FBI history.

www.nbcnews.com

Dems/Biden really have no moral high ground here, given that he freed an AIM terrorist who executed two FBI agents.

Wrong is wrong. So is the point of this whataboutism is that pardoning the rioting insurrectionists is not wrong or is it just another pointless whataboutism?

 

[Derec]

An 80 year old freed to house arrest until February 18th when he was going to be released from prison anyway.
Spare me your misinformed comparison.

You are the misinformed one. He was not going to be released from prison anyway. His next parole hearing wasn't until 2026.

 

[Derec]

Wrong is wrong.

Exactly! You can't attack Trump for him freeing 1/6ers while being ok with Clinton, Obama and Biden freeing far worse criminals.

So is the point of this whataboutism is that pardoning the rioting insurrectionists is not wrong or is it just another pointless whataboutism?

I did not say it was not wrong. I just said that Dems had no moral high ground here, as Dem presidents free left-wing terrorists guilty of far worse crimes than the 1/6ers.
It's not just Biden, look at Obama releasing PR terrorist Oscar López Rivera (involved in multiple bombings) or Bill Clinton commuting the sentences of terrorists who bombed the Senate as well as several of López Rivera's terrorist buddies.

n January 17, 2017, as one of the final acts of his presidency, Barack Obama commuted the sentence of 74-year-old Oscar Lopez Rivera, the Puerto Rican nationalist who had served 35 years of a 55-year conviction for the crime of “seditious conspiracy,” as well as attempted robbery, explosives and vehicle-theft charges. Thanks to Obama’s intercession, Lopez will be freed in May.

Why Did Obama Free This Terrorist?

All of them were indicted for the bombings in 1988. But they never went to trial, opting for plea deals instead — except for Betty Ann Duke, who skipped bail in 1985 and remains a federal fugitive.
The rest served lengthy sentences before release or parole. Bill Clinton granted Rosenberg a presidential pardon on his last day in office in 2001, after she had served 16 years. Now 64, she teaches women’s studies at CUNY’s Hunter College in Manhattan.

Inside the female-run communist terror group hell-bent on destruction
Also shame on CUNY for hiring this terrorist!

Under continued pressure from minority politicians and human rights activists, President Clinton agreed today to commute the sentences of 16 members of a Puerto Rican nationalist group that was involved in more than 100 bombings of political and military installations in the United States at least 15 years ago.

Clinton to Commute Radicals' Sentences

 

[laughing dog]

Wrong is wrong.

Exactly! You can't attack Trump for him freeing 1/6ers while being ok with Clinton, Obama and Biden freeing far worse criminals.

So is the point of this whataboutism is that pardoning the rioting insurrectionists is not wrong or is it just another pointless whataboutism?

I did not say it was not wrong. I just said that Dems had no moral high ground here, as Dem presidents free left-wing terrorists guilty of far worse crimes than the 1/6ers.
It's not just Biden, look at Obama releasing PR terrorist Oscar López Rivera (involved in multiple bombings) or Bill Clinton commuting the sentences of terrorists who bombed the Senate as well as several of López Rivera's terrorist buddies.

n January 17, 2017, as one of the final acts of his presidency, Barack Obama commuted the sentence of 74-year-old Oscar Lopez Rivera, the Puerto Rican nationalist who had served 35 years of a 55-year conviction for the crime of “seditious conspiracy,” as well as attempted robbery, explosives and vehicle-theft charges. Thanks to Obama’s intercession, Lopez will be freed in May.

Why Did Obama Free This Terrorist?

All of them were indicted for the bombings in 1988. But they never went to trial, opting for plea deals instead — except for Betty Ann Duke, who skipped bail in 1985 and remains a federal fugitive.
The rest served lengthy sentences before release or parole. Bill Clinton granted Rosenberg a presidential pardon on his last day in office in 2001, after she had served 16 years. Now 64, she teaches women’s studies at CUNY’s Hunter College in Manhattan.

Inside the female-run communist terror group hell-bent on destruction
Also shame on CUNY for hiring this terrorist!

Under continued pressure from minority politicians and human rights activists, President Clinton agreed today to commute the sentences of 16 members of a Puerto Rican nationalist group that was involved in more than 100 bombings of political and military installations in the United States at least 15 years ago.

Clinton to Commute Radicals' Sentences
The thread is not about moral high ground or your need to whine about Democrats, so it is an irrelevant whataboutism because it has nothing to do with the insurrectionists.

And, of course, it is just a coincidence your whataboutisms are nonwhite criminals.

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[ZiprHead]

An 80 year old freed to house arrest until February 18th when he was going to be released from prison anyway.
Spare me your misinformed comparison.

You are the misinformed one. He was not going to be released from prison anyway. His next parole hearing wasn't until 2026.

From the wiki article I cited earlier:

On January 19, 2025, Peltier's sentence was commuted to indefinite house arrest by President Joe Biden shortly before he left office. He is scheduled to be released from prison on February 18, 2025.

 

[Arctish]

An 80 year old freed to house arrest until February 18th when he was going to be released from prison anyway.
Spare me your misinformed comparison.

You are the misinformed one. He was not going to be released from prison anyway. His next parole hearing wasn't until 2026.

From the wiki article I cited earlier:

On January 19, 2025, Peltier's sentence was commuted to indefinite house arrest by President Joe Biden shortly before he left office. He is scheduled to be released from prison on February 18, 2025.

So if the wiki article has the facts straight, the commutation will keep Peltier confined indefinitely rather than having him go free in another month.

People who want to keep Peltier locked up should be thanking Biden for securing that outcome.

 

[Patooka]

An 80 year old freed to house arrest until February 18th when he was going to be released from prison anyway.
Spare me your misinformed comparison.

You are the misinformed one. He was not going to be released from prison anyway. His next parole hearing wasn't until 2026.

From the wiki article I cited earlier:

On January 19, 2025, Peltier's sentence was commuted to indefinite house arrest by President Joe Biden shortly before he left office. He is scheduled to be released from prison on February 18, 2025.

So if the wiki article has the facts straight, the commutation will keep Peltier confined indefinitely rather than having him go free in another month.

People who want to keep Peltier locked up should be thanking Biden for securing that outcome.

Yeah but you're missing the point - that's exactly the same as providing 1,500 pardons to domestic terrorists 48 month after the act