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[Jimmy Higgins]

That is not what you are doing when you promote this "both sides" false equivalence, What you are arguing is a serial rapist and someone who doesn't pay parking tickets are exactly the same because they are both breaking the law. Nope. One is clearly worse than the other. Same deal when it comes to election fraud and domestic terrorism. The right do it significantly more than the left. Deal with it.

Not really. The left uses different terminology for the right than it does for itself. Like, you know... "russian collusion" and "antifa".

The entire objective of "russian collusion" was to undermine and delegitimize Trump's presidency. The intention was to make people believe that he wasn't the actual real president, and had only got the position by cheating. That's the exact same intention that the right had with claiming fraud.

No. We were (and are) saying that Russia is helping him win. There appears to be improper communication between his organization and Moscow.

Like when his campaign had the secret meeting with Kremlin linked folks. Then Trump campaign coffee getters being noted in foreign intelligence targeting other people. We know Russia helped provide cover for Trump with the emails as well. What wasn't proven was the agreement. Russia certainly could have done all of this just to weaken the presumptive Clinton Presidency. That Trump won was a remarkable bonus for them.

And then there was the one on one meeting between Putin and Trump of which Trump exited, looking like he'd been bent over for half an hour... and Putin looked the cat that had caught the canary.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

OMG! You're actually taking the Durham report seriously? He was handpicked to write this report by none other than Attorney General Barr to whitewash the investigation.

Mueller report said the same. Just because republican scam is a scam does not mean they colluded with Russia.
Democrats are scam too.

Mueller report said Congress should impeach Trump.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That is not what you are doing when you promote this "both sides" false equivalence, What you are arguing is a serial rapist and someone who doesn't pay parking tickets are exactly the same because they are both breaking the law. Nope. One is clearly worse than the other. Same deal when it comes to election fraud and domestic terrorism. The right do it significantly more than the left. Deal with it.

Not really. The left uses different terminology for the right than it does for itself. Like, you know... "russian collusion" and "antifa".

The entire objective of "russian collusion" was to undermine and delegitimize Trump's presidency.

Was it? The Intelligence agencies at the time seemed to be in panic mode. They were already seeing warning signs before he got into the White House. Then Trump fires Comey for not dropping investigation into Flynn... after the private dinner. It all looked very suspect. And in the context of the intel had by others, it was really pointing to a fire.

The intention was to make people believe that he wasn't the actual real president, and had only got the position by cheating. That's the exact same intention that the right had with claiming fraud.

This isn't just false. Trump won on election night, I barely slept. Then I went to office at 4 in the morning. I didn't go to DC, armed with weapons to try and overthrow an election because Hillary Clinton told me it was all fraud.

When a right wing group sets something on fire, it's "domestic terrorism". When a left wing group sets something on fire it's "protesting".

Or a "riot". Or when right-wingers set things on fire to make it look like #BLM, like the courthouse in Tennessee.

When a right-leaning nutjob shoots up a school, it's "domestic terrorism". When a left-leaning nutjob shoots up a school, it's "poor mistreated victim of right-wingery who was so upset that they acted out".

Gonna need references here. I don't believe either has happened.

 

[Shadowy Man]

OMG! You're actually taking the Durham report seriously? He was handpicked to write this report by none other than Attorney General Barr to whitewash the investigation.

Mueller report said the same. Just because republican scam is a scam does not mean they colluded with Russia.
Democrats are scam too.

Mueller report said Congress should impeach Trump.

And for those of us who might care about direct sources, here’s what Mueller had to say about it:

Mueller Report, vol. II, p. 8: "With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice. [...] The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law."

Though not as direct as Jimmy might suggest, it clearly lay the issue at Congress’ feet, given the self-imposed limitations the Justice Department put on Mueller.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

OMG! You're actually taking the Durham report seriously? He was handpicked to write this report by none other than Attorney General Barr to whitewash the investigation.

Mueller report said the same. Just because republican scam is a scam does not mean they colluded with Russia.
Democrats are scam too.

Mueller report said Congress should impeach Trump.

And for those of us who might care about direct sources, here’s what Mueller had to say about it:

Mueller Report, vol. II, p. 8: "With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice. [...] The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law."

Though not as direct as Jimmy might suggest, it clearly lay the issue at Congress’ feet, given the self-imposed limitations the Justice Department put on Mueller.

I want to be clear, the quote you cite was legalese for "Impeach the fucker!" As we are seeing post his awful Presidency, even trying a former President in court is dubious because it is unprecedented.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

No. We were (and are) saying that Russia is helping him win. There appears to be improper communication between his organization and Moscow.

Like when his campaign had the secret meeting with Kremlin linked folks. Then Trump campaign coffee getters being noted in foreign intelligence targeting other people. We know Russia helped provide cover for Trump with the emails as well. What wasn't proven was the agreement. Russia certainly could have done all of this just to weaken the presumptive Clinton Presidency. That Trump won was a remarkable bonus for them.

And then there was the one on one meeting between Putin and Trump of which Trump exited, looking like he'd been bent over for half an hour... and Putin looked the cat that had caught the canary.

Yeah, we have lots of suggestions of collusion but no proof. It's not illegal for Trump to benefit from Russian efforts so long as he has no say in those efforts. (It is, however, illegal for Russia to do it--but if they're not in the US there's no way to prosecute.) Any agreement and he shares the guilt.

 

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[Patooka]

Just remember, this is important to MAGAtards.


...apparently. What a bunch of worthless cunts. This thread is proof positive that scumbags like MAGAtard and that My Pillow Scum are nothing more than pieces of shit. And there are people on this planet who like eating pieces of shit. They buy their red hats and babble about an invasion on the "boarder" like it's a real thing because Elon Fucking Musk told them to and yet they are confused why everyone looks at them as though they are retarded.

IT'S BECAUSE YOU LISTEN TO FUCKING RETARDS! STOP LISTENING TO RETARDS MAT AND YOU'LL BE JUST FINE!

 

[barbos]

OMG! You're actually taking the Durham report seriously? He was handpicked to write this report by none other than Attorney General Barr to whitewash the investigation.

Mueller report said the same. Just because republican scam is a scam does not mean they colluded with Russia.
Democrats are scam too.

Mueller report said Congress should impeach Trump.

Don't care about that. I only care about russia's involvement with Trump.

 

[barbos]

No. We were (and are) saying that Russia is helping him win. There appears to be improper communication between his organization and Moscow.

What exactly are you insinuating here?

 

[barbos]

Terrorism is a crime of intent, not any specific action.

Well, US is plenty guilty of that too.

 

[Emily Lake]

I didn’t say I read it. I’m trying to learn from you what it says but you don’t seem to know.

Hold on a moment - you didn't read it but you're super confident that it was totally correct and above question? And you didn't read the other report, but you're super confident that it was totally crap and full of lies?

I've read comprehensive summaries of them all, provided by multiple different sources with opposing biases, and read portions of each for areas where I felt that the conflicting articles were likely to be engaging in bias. I haven't read any of them comprehensively end to end (who the hell has that kind of time?). But I've at least considered multiple angles for them.

 

[Emily Lake]

That is not what you are doing when you promote this "both sides" false equivalence, What you are arguing is a serial rapist and someone who doesn't pay parking tickets are exactly the same because they are both breaking the law. Nope. One is clearly worse than the other. Same deal when it comes to election fraud and domestic terrorism. The right do it significantly more than the left. Deal with it.

Not really. The left uses different terminology for the right than it does for itself. Like, you know... "russian collusion" and "antifa".

The entire objective of "russian collusion" was to undermine and delegitimize Trump's presidency. The intention was to make people believe that he wasn't the actual real president, and had only got the position by cheating. That's the exact same intention that the right had with claiming fraud.

No. We were (and are) saying that Russia is helping him win. There appears to be improper communication between his organization and Moscow.

Much more serious is the binder of intel information that disappeared from the White House. Of great interest to Moscow and something that should never have even been in the White House in the first place. If what actually happened is what it looks like that's Leavenworth.

When a right wing group sets something on fire, it's "domestic terrorism". When a left wing group sets something on fire it's "protesting". When a right-leaning nutjob shoots up a school, it's "domestic terrorism". When a left-leaning nutjob shoots up a school, it's "poor mistreated victim of right-wingery who was so upset that they acted out".

Terrorism is a crime of intent, not any specific action.

You don't have to agree with me. But freedom of belief and freedom of expression are still things in the US, so I'd appreciate not being hounded for thinking that both parties suck a whole, whole lot.

The problem is that you have bought into a lot of the right wing lies.

Nah, I just haven't bought the left wing lies either.

 

[Emily Lake]

OMG! You're actually taking the Durham report seriously? He was handpicked to write this report by none other than Attorney General Barr to whitewash the investigation.

Mueller report said the same. Just because republican scam is a scam does not mean they colluded with Russia.
Democrats are scam too.

Mueller report said Congress should impeach Trump.

Actually, it didn't say that.

It said that a recommendation with respect to impeachment was outside the scope of the investigation, and that pursuit of impeachment is a congressional role.

It's akin to a detective telling a prosecutor that it's not the job of the police to decide whether or not to take someone to court for a crime, it's their job to provide evidence. It's the job of the prosecutor to pursue charges or not.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I didn’t say I read it. I’m trying to learn from you what it says but you don’t seem to know.

Hold on a moment - you didn't read it but you're super confident that it was totally correct and above question? And you didn't read the other report, but you're super confident that it was totally crap and full of lies?

what you type here doesn’t represent what I said at all. Where did you get that i was “super confident that it was totally correct and above question”?

The simple thing is that barbos made a claim about what the Mueller report said. I asked him what it actually said and he hemmed and hawed so much that it became clear he hadn’t actually read it.

If he had he could have just quoted the text to me.

You are way over-interpreting the exchange between us.

 

[Emily Lake]

Though not as direct as Jimmy might suggest, it clearly lay the issue at Congress’ feet, given the self-imposed limitations the Justice Department put on Mueller.

It better lay the issue at congress' feet - ONLY congress can seek to impeach. It's not a self-imposed limitation, that's how it works.

 

[Emily Lake]

I didn’t say I read it. I’m trying to learn from you what it says but you don’t seem to know.

Hold on a moment - you didn't read it but you're super confident that it was totally correct and above question? And you didn't read the other report, but you're super confident that it was totally crap and full of lies?

what you type here doesn’t represent what I said at all. Where did you get that i was “super confident that it was totally correct and above question”?

The simple thing is that barbos made a claim about what the Mueller report said. I asked him what it actually said and he hemmed and hawed so much that it became clear he hadn’t actually read it.

If he had he could have just quoted the text to me.

You are way over-interpreting the exchange between us.

Fair point, and I apologize.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Though not as direct as Jimmy might suggest, it clearly lay the issue at Congress’ feet, given the self-imposed limitations the Justice Department put on Mueller.

It better lay the issue at congress' feet - ONLY congress can seek to impeach. It's not a self-imposed limitation, that's how it works.

The self-imposed limitation to which I referred is the department of Justice’s policy to not indict a sitting President. Barring that it is likely Mueller would have recommended indictment. Because of that he implied that Congress could impeach.

I did not intend to imply that the Department of Justice could impeach the President.

 

[barbos]

The simple thing is that barbos made a claim about what the Mueller report said. I asked him what it actually said and he hemmed and hawed so much that it became clear he hadn’t actually read it.

I read it. Not all of it. First thing I did was a search on "Alfa Bank" , then I skimmed the rest to get an impression. Then I read opinions of people who read it carefully. Unanimous conclusion was that it was underwhelming in terms of actually confirming any dermocrat accusations of Trump.

 

[TSwizzle]

A bit odd so many people from China choose this route to get into the USA;

San Diego Border Patrol agents have faced an untenable flood of Chinese migrants sneaking over the border each day, raising fears over the growing influence of the hostile state in the US. Border sources claim that 269 Chinese migrants were apprehended by CBP officials in a single day this week, according to Fox News' Bill Melugin - with the number not including those who manage to cross undetected. Chinese nationals now make up the largest growing demographic of migrants crossing the porous US-Mexico border. And 2024 is already well on-track to easily exceed the staggering 37,000 Chinese migrants who were apprehended by the CBP in the 2023 fiscal year. So far in the 2024 fiscal year, which began in October, over 20,000 Chinese migrants have been apprehended. In 2021, this number stood at just 342.

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