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Can you nobble him somehow?
The people supporting this cunt are as much the problem as he is.

I think it is adorable, how the GOP is moving past Trump and are ready to anoint DeSantis as the chosen one... (the press is making that case too, which is just as adorable) when the GOP never put Trump ahead of the line in the first place. He managed to grasp that themselves. Trump is out when he base is too small to win primaries. The GOP has been reaping huge quantities of money from gullible Trump supporters who thought they were donating to stop the Steal, when in fact, they were just helping pay Trump's legal bills and whatever else the GOP wanted to spend it on.

And now the GOP is saying it is over... but they only get one vote in the booth each, the same as the MAGA fools.

The GOP wants to "move on", but what does their angry mob base want.
 

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The GOP wants to "move on", but what does their angry mob base want.
Smart money says they’re STOOPID and they want Trump.
Also, smart Dems want Trump too. Guaranteed LOSER.
Now that Dems know how to perfectly cheat in elections does it really matter who runs for the GOP??
 

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This is misleading. As I understand it, she didn’t say she didn’t support him just that she wouldn’t support him in the political arena, in that she would as a family member but not by taking part in campaigning.
 

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This is misleading. As I understand it, she didn’t say she didn’t support him just that she wouldn’t support him in the political arena, in that she would as a family member but not by taking part in campaigning.

So, she'll just be getting paid a small salary from the campaign then for "consulting".

The funny thing, Trump doesn't even get the nomination, he still enriches his corporation, while it still exists, tens of millions of his supporters dollars. Really, win-win for him. His supporters continue to support his company because they are so politically lost to not understand they are being fleeced.
 
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The GOP wants to "move on", but what does their angry mob base want.
Smart money says they’re STOOPID and they want Trump.
Also, smart Dems want Trump too. Guaranteed LOSER.
Now that Dems know how to perfectly cheat in elections does it really matter who runs for the GOP??
Yes, if Trump runs the Dems will steal the election by tricking people into voting for their candidate. Again.
But look out for Trump in ‘28.
And ’32.
And ‘36.
Long live Trump. I hope he lives to 120yo, and loses every four years for the entire duration.
 

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Don't forget to send poor Donny all your spare change. For some odd reason, the people who have loved him and gave the billionaire-moocher everything he needed, are taking their marbles and going home.

Three billionaires DUMP Trump in two days: Estée Lauder heir and longtime ally Ronald Lauder says he will NOT back 2024 run as Republican megadonors desert ex-president

As a reminder, Trump was outspent in 2016. He doesn't need the money as much. His brand name carries a lot of weight with his followers. And that'd actually help the GOP because they could move that money to Senate/House races.
 

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I thought Trump was so rich he didn’t need donors. Isn’t that what he said the first time he ran?

That's what he said though no one should ever actually believe what he says. He has no credibility.

It's clear that taking taking free money from suckers is a large part of his ego.
 

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As a reminder, Trump was outspent in 2016. He doesn't need the money as much. His brand name carries a lot of weight with his followers. And that'd actually help the GOP because they could move that money to Senate/House races.

In 2020 Trump spent 1.91 billion to Biden’s 1.68 billion. And raised 1.96 billion, so you have to figure that he pocketed most of the other $50m he raised. Today he is living the billionaire version of hand to mouth, robbing Peter to pay Paul at every turn and begging for money using threats of extinction…
 

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Is the GOP still going to pay for Trump's legal fees now he's thrown his hat into the ring?
 

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The NY Post, before their eventual backflip and full support.

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As a reminder, Trump was outspent in 2016. He doesn't need the money as much. His brand name carries a lot of weight with his followers. And that'd actually help the GOP because they could move that money to Senate/House races.

In 2020 Trump spent 1.91 billion to Biden’s 1.68 billion. And raised 1.96 billion, so you have to figure that he pocketed most of the other $50m he raised. Today he is living the billionaire version of hand to mouth, robbing Peter to pay Paul at every turn and begging for money using threats of extinction…
Yes. But again, talking about 2016. You need to stop thinking about Trump conventionally. He defies all convention. His cult of personality carries weight money isn't needed to carry. So the question becomes is his base defiant enough to win primaries.

2016 wasn't the GOP endorsing Trump. Every GOP'er was trying to defeat Trump. And none of them could. And Trump supporters, if nothing else, are stubborn and hate the establishment. They very likely could end up hating DeSantis because they feel the establishment is throwing him over them, despite DeSantis really being nothing more than a politically competent Trump (he isn't competent in any other manner, but politically, DeSantis is quite something). And portions of the GOP even tried to stop Trump from getting the nomination at the convention. So it must be remembered that Trump managed to do with the GOP what Pat Buchanan did with the Green/Reform Party. With no one's help but pockets of the alt-right media. Again, not even they were all in on Trump. It took a while for Limbaugh to get on the bus, and forever for the formerly intellectual portion of the alt-right media.

So, Trump loves the grift. Getting money to give his own organization. But that is all he needs the money for. His name and image carries him. And if the MAGA base is still with him, he will be nearly impossible to beat in the primaries. The GOP would need to change the rules. Which they might ultimately do. But again, convention and Trump are oil and water. Trump defies it.

I'd also note that DeSantis could potentially be very over-rated as far as popularity. The Democrat Party in Florida is in ruins. With the GOP successfully brainwashing the Cubans Hispanics into thinking the Democrats are communists, they have won way too much of that demographic to be competitive. Cuban Hispanics are NOT a common demographic outside of Florida. And while Venezuelan immigrants might be of similar mind, there isn't enough of them either.

The GOP is done with Trump and want DeSantis or Halley, it'd be one heck of a ticket, though I don't think either would play second fiddle. Really Halley is the go to. But the GOP has enabled Trump way too much, and stoked his base way too much to be able to be reasonable in thinking they can just push him away.
 

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is his base defiant enough to win primaries.
No.
His base is comprised mainly of low-information folks of below-average intelligence who are easily distracted by shiny objects.
Ron DeSantis will suffice for that purpose.

DeSantis could potentially be very over-rated as far as popularity. The Democrat Party in Florida is in ruins.

That's a feature, not a glitch. Has there ever been any governmental disaster wrought by Republicans for which they didn't effectively blame Democrats?
There are a lot of benefits to having a constituency that is collectively as dumb as a box of rocks.

Trump loves the grift.

He doesn't need to be President to continue the grift. In fact, better if he isn't since victimhood is part of the money-grubbing tactic.
 

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is his base defiant enough to win primaries.
No.
His base is comprised mainly of low-information folks of below-average intelligence who are easily distracted by shiny objects.
Ron DeSantis will suffice for that purpose.
What does Ron DeSantis have that every other candidate in 2016 didn't have? I mean, yes, he is more fascist, but there was a little of everything in 2016. Major league cunt in Ted Cruz, very popular purple state Governor and conservative in John Kasich, young up and comer Marco Rubio, and family dynasty Jeb Bush. Trump was an asshole who called people names and talked about his genitals.. and he was going to make America great again by forcing other people to do things. That is what won enough of the vote, just a plurality.
DeSantis could potentially be very over-rated as far as popularity. The Democrat Party in Florida is in ruins.
That's a feature, not a glitch. Has there ever been any governmental disaster wrought by Republicans for which they didn't effectively blame Democrats?
There are a lot of benefits to having a constituency that is collectively as dumb as a box of rocks.
The point is the demographics in Florida don't match well with other battleground states. And the established competition in battleground states is going to be much tougher. The Democrats are never taking Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania for granted again.
 

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And we're off. National Review reporting DeSantis has yuge GOP primary lead... in Florida. The primary, which is like 1000 political years from now was polled on 11/11 and DeSantis has a 40+ pt lead on Trump.

As a reminder, John Kasich won the Ohio primary in 2016. But the right-wing mainstream groups are pushing DeSantis.
 

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the right-wing mainstream groups are pushing DeSantis.
… and DeSantis they shall have.
We should be hyping Trump vigorously while we still can. Ronny will beat Joe like drum, on appearance alone. In our post-truth dystopia, appearance is what matters. Oh, and the ability to speak forcefully in well-enunciated falsehoods, which Joe also lacks.
 

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The newly apointed special prosecuter is Jack Smith. A very well respected Justice Department officer. He will be tasked with two main special prosecutions. The Mar-a-Lago documents and the January 6 Insurrection. He has been promised to be given all the resources he needs for this effort. And is expected to act reasonably quickly. He will be given full access to DOJ work already done. MSNBC's legal experts agree this is a serious effort. Jack Smith is a consummate professional.
 

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I'd also note that DeSantis could potentially be very over-rated as far as popularity. The Democrat Party in Florida is in ruins. With the GOP successfully brainwashing the Cubans Hispanics into thinking the Democrats are communists, they have won way too much of that demographic to be competitive. Cuban Hispanics are NOT a common demographic outside of Florida. And while Venezuelan immigrants might be of similar mind, there isn't enough of them either.
Note the extreme gerrymandering done in Florida by De Santis. He basically turned three blue districts into red through gerrymandering alone. The same was done in several other states too.


Chris Hayes had an excellent segment on it on his program last night ago. Unfortunately it's not available online. About how lower courts ordered districting to be done properly and the Supreme Court saying nuh uh, they're just fine.

The House race could have been much differant without the gerrymandering.
 

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Donald Trump, the twice-impeached former president who tried to overturn the 2020 elections and inspired the violent attack on the Capitol after he lost, tried his best to woo the QAnon crowd during his 2024 campaign announcement speech on Tuesday night.
Not only did he invite QAnon influencers to attend the event at his Mar-a-Lago home in Florida, Trump repeated several QAnon dog whistles during the 70-minute long speech, including multiple references to the storm, a well-known trope within the conspiracy movement. But while influential adherents to the movement were thrilled, most QAnon-ers posting on Telegram last night, in fact, reacted angrily to Trump’s announcement. This could be a worrying sign for Trump’s 2024 campaign, coupled with the growing resentment against the former president inside the Republican party after major GOP midterm election losses.
 

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Rupert Murdoch Has Dr. Frankenstein’s Monster Problem - "Murdoch’s conservative media outlets seem to have launched a coordinated effort to nudge Trump off the stage. It is not going well."

Tony Karon on Twitter: "Hmmm. Seems Trump is dead to the Murdochs (pic link)" / Twitter - to a picture of two New York Post front pages:
  • DeFuture -- Young GOP star DeSantis romps to victory in Florida
  • Trumpty Dumpty -- Don (who couldn't build a wall) had a great fall -- can all the GOP's men put the party back together again?
Trump, the Post columnist John Podhoretz argued, “sabotaged the Republican midterms” by elevating a string of weak gubernatorial and Senate candidates who supported his lies about the 2020 election but repelled voters.
Carl Quintanilla on Twitter: "WSJ EDITORIAL BOARD: “.. a perfect record of electoral defeat. .. he has led Republicans into one political fiasco after another.”
@WSJopinion #ElectionDay #midterms (links)" / Twitter

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Trump Is the Republican Party’s Biggest Loser - WSJ - "He has now flopped in 2018, 2020, 2021 and 2022."
DeSantis Is a Winner. What Does That Mean for Trump in 2024? - WSJ - "The governor’s supporters send the former president a message by chanting “Two more years!”"

What a sight to see. :D
 

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On Murdoch’s most influential outlet, Fox News, two of Trump’s closest allies on the television channel he gets his opinions from, Laura Ingraham and Kayleigh McEnany, sounded like hostage negotiators, urging the former president to admit his time was up and let his supporters go.
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Acyn on Twitter: "Ingraham: we're going to have to win and we have to win over voters, outside of our traditional base. That means young people too. (vid link)" / Twitter
Appealing to younger voters, Ingraham added, has “got to be the goal for the next presidential election.” Looking directly into the camera and speaking slowly, as if addressing an audience of one sitting before a television in Mar-a-Lago, Ingraham continued: “The populist movement is about ideas. It is not about any one person. If the voters conclude that you’re putting your own ego or your own grudges ahead of what’s good for the country, they’re going to look elsewhere, period.”
Seems like they are trying to move away from the cult of personality of Donald Trump.
McEnany, Trump’s former press secretary, seemed to be reading from the same script on Thursday when she told viewers that “there are 72 million people in this country that make up a movement. It is a conservative movement, it’s not tied to any one person.”
Acyn on Twitter: "Kayleigh: It is a conservative movement. It is not tied to one person (vld link)" / Twitter
“In 2016, they decided, ‘Our home is in President Trump,’” McEnany said. “This time around, these 72 million people, they will decide where their home is, only they will decide. No pundit will say, ‘It’s Trump,’ ‘It’s DeSantis.’ They’re smart, they’re wise, they’re going to read the tea leaves, and I have all the trust in the world they’re going to pick where their home is.”

“Then why did the former president come up with the name ‘DeSanctimonious’ a couple of days before” the election, fellow Fox host Lisa Kennedy Montgomery broke in to ask. “Well, he shouldn’t have,” McEnany responded. “There is,” she added in a description of a future Republican Party that must exclude Trump, “no place for nicknames.”
 List of nicknames used by Donald Trump has a BIG list.

"Sleepy Joe" Biden, "Coco Chow", "Low-Energy Jeb" Bush, "Lyin' Ted" Cruz, "Shifty" Schiff, "Cryin' Chuck" Schumer, Gretchen "Half-Whitmer", "Pocahontas", ...
 

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“NewsCorp, which is Fox, the Wall Street Journal, and the no longer great New York Post,” Trump raged on Thursday evening, “is all in for Governor Ron DeSanctimonious.” In the same rambling statement, Trump also tossed in a new conspiracy theory, claiming that he had dispatched the FBI to Florida in 2018 to shut down a Democratic plot to steal that year’s gubernatorial election from DeSantis. (In fact, Trump’s allegations of election fraud in Florida in 2018 were debunked by local law enforcement.)

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In the 2010 midterms, Republicans lost three winnable Senate races because of deeply flawed, pro-insurrection and racist candidates supported by Sarah Palin, the party’s former vice presidential nominee turned Fox News contributor. Palin eventually decided to pass on a run for the White House in 2012, but it was not until June 2015 that she finally lost her contract with Fox — the week after Trump announced that he was running for president.
It's their mess, and I will enjoy rubbing their noses in it.

manny on Twitter: ""RON DESANCTIMONIOUS" LET'S GOOOO (pix link)" / Twitter - his statement reproduced as screencaps.
 

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I love that Trump being on Twitter makes 'Truth Social' irrelevant.
It will be a joy to see him finish destroying the Republican party.

My prediction is that a republican crazy will get to him before the next election...
 

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Acyn on Twitter: "Ingraham: we're going to have to win and we have to win over voters, outside of our traditional base. That means young people too. (vid link)" / Twitter
Appealing to younger voters, Ingraham added, has “got to be the goal for the next presidential election.” Looking directly into the camera and speaking slowly, as if addressing an audience of one sitting before a television in Mar-a-Lago, Ingraham continued: “The populist movement is about ideas. It is not about any one person. If the voters conclude that you’re putting your own ego or your own grudges ahead of what’s good for the country, they’re going to look elsewhere, period.”


Makes me think of the '12 post election analysis, where they realized they need to appeal to minorities more..

Of course that went over like a 400 lbs man who's doctor told him he needs to loose weight or could die. Tries one sit up, then says 'fuck it' and grabs a bag of chips.[/quote][/QUOTE]
 

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I want to make a prediction:

Trump will be done in by a Q-anon crazy person. (I didn't want to use the ass word... even though nobody gives a fuck about this forum anymore)
 
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