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Well, fuck. That's quite the conundrum for Trump.
Dems should pony up! :thumbup:
I'm wondering if Trump is claiming the RNC's payments as income on his taxes.
Another reason Dems should foot the bill: THEY can report the payments to the IRS.
 

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That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders. It would be the act of an insane person to destroy their own legacy.

Perhaps white people do still have the most money. But what good did having money do for the jews in Germany?
Founders aren't automatically good guys. The left doesn't automatically worship people because of the position they held.

And note that most of the statues that have been torn down are Jim Crow era symbols of repression, not statues of founders anyway.
I'm old enough to remember when the left very definitely did worship monstrous tyrants. And still today the left will indignantly extenuate wrongdoing by anyone who can plausibly brand themself as a victim of some injustice of which the left approves.
 

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So, I'll point out here that I don't think anyone on the left is asking to ban books.

I wouldn't support the banning of Mein Kampf, as odious as that "work" is, nor the Bible.

I don't think the toppling of Hitler statues erased him, either.
I wouldn't support banning the creation and/ or possession of statues of evil doers; however I do not think they should be displayed in the public square with inscriptions glorifying them as all out heroes, and maintained with taxpayers dollars.
I think, in America, yer Christian nationalists should take their great big graven-image icons of traitors to America and other early proud slave owners, and erect them hard in their churches, along with copious ornamental drapery of the Confed flag--perhaps a few Nazi banners thrown in for variety.
 

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Trumpwithoutmakeup.jpg


This picture says a thousand words. Recall how Trump mocked Biden’s age in 2020?
Ana Navarro’s tweet includes this pic of Trump at his Bedminster Golf Club yesterday.
Trump likes to portray himself as a manly man but couldn’t walk a golf course.
Joe Biden bikes, exercises, and is in good health. Trump couldn’t ride one if he tried.
 

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Trumpwithoutmakeup.jpg


This picture says a thousand words. Recall how Trump mocked Biden’s age in 2020?
Ana Navarro’s tweet includes this pic of Trump at his Bedminster Golf Club yesterday.
Trump likes to portray himself as a manly man but couldn’t walk a golf course.
Joe Biden bikes, exercises, and is in good health. Trump couldn’t ride one if he tried.
He looks his age. If it weren't for his ridiculous vanity and his never ending tirade of insults about other people aging, there'd be nothing to this pic.
 

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A few weeks ago: Ron DeSantis tops Donald Trump in national 2024 poll when first and second choices combined
When first and second choices were combined, DeSantis was ahead of all potential candidates, including former President Donald Trump. Sixty-four percent of respondents favored DeSantis in one of the top two slots, which put the Governor 7 points above Trump.

Other candidates lagged. Former Vice President Mike Pence drew 17% support when first and second choice balloting was added up, while former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley garnered 15% “top-two” support.

DeSantis was not able to dethrone Trump as the top choice overall for 2024, however.
First choice: Trump: 43%, DeSantis 34%, Pence 7%, others less, undecided 8%.
Second choice: DeSantis 34%, Trump 16%

But after the FBI raided Trump's estate,
FBI raid gave Trump a 10-point boost over DeSantis, poll shows | The Independent
Last month, 53 per cent of Republican voters and Republican-leaning independents said they would vote for Mr Trump in the 2024 primary if it was held that day.

Following the raid, it found that number for Mr Trump had climbed to 57 per cent, while support for Mr DeSantis had dropped from 23 per cent down to 17 per cent.

No other Republican candidate had double-digit support.
 

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Tulsi Gabbard Fills In For Host Tucker Carlson On Fox News | HuffPost Latest News - "Once a Democratic presidential hopeful, the former Hawaii representative is now filling the shoes of the right-wing pundit."
Gabbard came armed with a monologue, torching President Joe Biden, fear-mongering about the power of federal institutions and slamming the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump’s Florida home.

“Now, whatever your views are on Donald Trump,” she began, “there is no denying that the unprecedented raid on his Palm Beach home earlier this week has set our country on a dangerous new course, and there’s no turning back. The FBI’s raid on Mar-a-Lago changed the country we grew up in.”
Six months earlier, she spoke at a CPAC conference.
Gabbard echoed Carlson on Friday when she told viewers that federal law enforcement favors Democrats and even the IRS has been, in her words, “weaponized to target the political opponents of the uni-party, the permanent Washington and the Biden regime.”

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She then went on to claim Attorney General Merrick Garland was using “tactics that are all hallmarks of a dictatorship,” while discussing the raid at Mar-a-Lago. Garland said Thursday that he “personally approved” the decision to seek a search warrant against Trump.

“Faithful adherence to the rule of law is the bedrock principle of the Justice Department and of our democracy,” Garland added. “Upholding the rule of law means applying the law evenly without fear or favor. Under my watch, that is precisely what the Justice Department is doing.”
I must say that I enjoy watching right-wingers call themselves victims. After acting as if there is no amount of police force that they object to, they object when it's their favorite people who suffer it.

About Ukraine,
“Despite their lectures and their crocodile tears, it’s never been about morality. It’s not about the people of Ukraine or protecting democracy,” she said of the U.S. response to the war in the country. Biden was facilitating “regime change in Russia,” Gabbard continued.

“To Joe Biden,” she added, “it’s even about bringing about a ‘new world order.’”
What a tankie she is, taking the side of anti-Western authoritarianism.
 

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Liz Cheney Already Has a 2024 Strategy
But Cheney dropped a big hint when she noted that the GOP’s Founding Father, Abraham Lincoln, lost elections for the House and Senate “before he won the most important election of all” by capturing the presidency. This morning, she went a step further, telling the Today show that she was “thinking about” joining the 2024 Republican presidential race.

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Liz Cheney Says She’s ‘Thinking’ About Running for President in 2024 - The New York Times
Representative Liz Cheney said early Wednesday that she was “thinking” about running for president in 2024, a prospect that would test the national viability of a conservative, anti-Trump platform that failed resoundingly in Wyoming.
Form 1 for The Great Task - a PAC that she founded
Its name refers to the Gettysburg Address, in which President Abraham Lincoln said that “the great task remaining before us” was to ensure “that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”
What will she do next?
Speaking to Savannah Guthrie on NBC’s “Today Show” on Wednesday, Ms. Cheney initially avoided the question of whether she had a 2024 campaign in mind. But after being pressed, she said, “It is something that I am thinking about, and I’ll make a decision in the coming months.”

“I think that defeating him is going to require a broad, united front of Republicans, Democrats and independents,” she said of Mr. Trump. Later — referring in particular to “the lies that he has put out in the last few days” about the F.B.I. search of Mar-a-Lago and to his demonization of federal law enforcement officials even as they face threats from his supporters — she added that she believed “millions of Republicans and Americans across this country” would reject his actions.

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Liz Cheney’s Concession Speech Invokes Lincoln and Grant - The New York Times
It was just two years ago that Representative Liz Cheney won a primary with 73 percent of the vote — a point she reminded her supporters of in her concession speech on Tuesday night in Wyoming.

“I could easily have done the same again,” she said. “The path was clear. But it would have required that I go along with President Trump’s lie about the 2020 election. It would have required that I enable his ongoing efforts to unravel our democratic system and attack the foundations of our republic.”

“That was a path I could not and would not take.”
Even though she got purged from the House Republican leadership for taking that position.
 

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Will she be running? Or will she support some Mitt Romney sort of Republican? Some Northeastern Republican governor?
 

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Will she be running? Or will she support some Mitt Romney sort of Republican? Some Northeastern Republican governor?
I suspect Liz's comback will be around 2028.

To use an analogy, in Fight Club, Tyler Durden's Fight Club evolved into Project Mayhem. The GOP has evolved into the GQP or, to put it another way, the Party of Reagan has become the Party of Trump. And whereas never attack another Republican was Reagan's rule, the GQP has one rule; follow the current leader.

The word current is key. The GOP didn't morph into the GQP overnight. There was a chrysalis stage known as the Tea Party. Trump was never a driving force of the party, he was simply a sign that metamorphosis has reached completion. And the 21st Century GOP is insistent on devouring its past leaders.

Have a look at the post 2004 Presidential campaigns. In 2008 McCain did everything humanly possible to separate himself from the Bush Administration. Then Romney tried to disavow McCain. Then Trump did a gigantic shit over Romney and Ryan. The past prominent Republican leaders (Bush, Bush jnr, McCain, Romney, Ryan, Boehner, Darth Cheney) are all considered traitors by the current party faithful. The smart money says they are going to cannibalise Trump as well when the next white saviour makes an entrance (i.e. Ron).

So Liz Cheney? I'm guessing she's just going to wait for nature to take it's course. When it does and Trump's name will be as reviled as McCain/Romney etc, she'll emerge as a phoenix and say, "See? I was right about the RINO all along! Vote for me so we can abolish gay marriage!" or some such. I just think 2024 is too short a time frame for that to play out.
 

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Contra Cheney, Lincoln never lost an election for the House, and the Senate election he lost was not at that time a direct vote of the people. Also, Lincoln was one of the founders of the Republican Party, not the founder.
 

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Liz could be Pence's running mate. It'd be a relief to have a good old fashioned Republican ticket for a change. You know, the kind that just makes you want to take a shower. Not the kind that makes you go screaming in the night.
Right. Kinda reminding me of Barry Goldwater days. Always loved that surname.
 

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Emma Vigeland on Twitter: "Growing increasingly convinced that we have a Scott Walker situation on our hands and this clown is gonna flame out earlier than we all expect once the 2024 primaries kick off." / Twitter
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The Recount on Twitter: "Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) escalates his ridiculous attacks on Dr. Fauci:
"Someone needs to grab that little elf and chuck him across the Potomac." (vid link)" / Twitter

Some of his culture warring.

Former Trump Allies Are Now Backing Liz Cheney As She Eyes 2024 Run, Including Billionaire Charles Koch
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The Koch network and other Trump allies are quietly backing his biggest GOP critic: Rep. Liz Cheney
  • Two PACs backing Liz Cheney hired i360, a data and technology company financed by billionaire Charles Koch, according to Federal Election Commission filings.
  • People close to Donald Trump told CNBC that the former president and his allies could try to get people to stop working with Cheney.
Cheney’s now considering running against Trump for president in 2024, she told NBC News, and has quietly put together a team of top GOP advisors to help her ensure he doesn’t ever get back in the White House.

“I believe that Donald Trump continues to pose a very grave threat and risk to our republic. And I think that defeating him is going to require a broad and united front of Republicans, Democrats and independents, and that’s what I intend to be a part of,” she said in an exclusive interview with Savannah Guthrie on NBC’s “TODAY” show last week.

So LC might get the oligarch vote.
 

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ast Thursday, Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell predicted that while Republicans may take the House during November’s midterm elections, they’re unlikely to flip the Senate due to “candidate quality.” This forecast, which McConnell is not alone in making, did not go over well with former president Donald Trump. How do we know this? Because he took to Truth Social to tell us as much—and by tell us as much, we mean he not only called the lawmaker from Kentucky a “broken down hack” but also insulted the guy’s wife (who happened to be in Trump’s Cabinet).

Yes, on Saturday the ex-president logged on to his sad social media network and angrily typed: “Why do Republicans [sic] Senators allow a broken down hack politician, Mitch McConnell, to openly disparage hard working Republican candidates for the United States Senate. This is such an affront to honor and to leadership. He should spend more time (and money!) helping them get elected, and less time helping his crazy wife and family get rich on China!”
Way to go, Don. Alienate the people that can help you.
 

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ast Thursday, Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell predicted that while Republicans may take the House during November’s midterm elections, they’re unlikely to flip the Senate due to “candidate quality.” This forecast, which McConnell is not alone in making, did not go over well with former president Donald Trump. How do we know this? Because he took to Truth Social to tell us as much—and by tell us as much, we mean he not only called the lawmaker from Kentucky a “broken down hack” but also insulted the guy’s wife (who happened to be in Trump’s Cabinet).

Yes, on Saturday the ex-president logged on to his sad social media network and angrily typed: “Why do Republicans [sic] Senators allow a broken down hack politician, Mitch McConnell, to openly disparage hard working Republican candidates for the United States Senate. This is such an affront to honor and to leadership. He should spend more time (and money!) helping them get elected, and less time helping his crazy wife and family get rich on China!”
Way to go, Don. Alienate the people that can help you.
I mean, yes please? I would love to see Senator Palpatine McConnel get challenged by Darth Stupid.
 

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President Joe Biden‘s approval rating in the past month has skyrocketed, jumping six points after massive successes in getting his legislative agenda passed. At 44%, Biden’s approval rating is now higher than the approval ratings of Donald Trump (41%), Barack Obama (43%), Bill Clinton (39%), Jimmy Carter (43%), and Ronald Reagan (41%) at this point in their presidencies.

Clinton, Obama, and Reagan went on to win re-election.

 

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People really are easily manipulated, aren't they? Throw them a bit of money, scare them with the apparent revelation that the Republicans "really meant it" all along, and suddenly they're on board. Like, Biden has been a competent administrator and leader this whole time, patiently rebuilding from the utter ruins Trump left of one of the most complex bureacratic structures on the planet... but no, folks want bread and circuses, not quiet competence. Bring on the gladiators and the free pizza, that's the way to win in this "meritocracy" of ours!

Could we arrange some sort of televised wrestling competition with 45? Or maybe a nighttime comedy show with Biden starring as the lead under two tons of makeup? Is there anyone we could declare war on before November, just in case ratings dip again? Surely there are some hospitals to bomb or foreign children somewhere as need killing in a hurry. We need panache, not results.

:rolleyes:
 

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People really are easily manipulated, aren't they? Throw them a bit of money, scare them with the apparent revelation that the Republicans "really meant it" all along, and suddenly they're on board. Like, Biden has been a competent administrator and leader this whole time, patiently rebuilding from the utter ruins Trump left of one of the most complex bureacratic structures on the planet... but no, folks want bread and circuses, not quiet competence. Bring on the gladiators and the free pizza, that's the way to win in this "meritocracy" of ours!

Could we arrange some sort of televised wrestling competition with 45? Or maybe a nighttime comedy show with Biden starring as the lead under two tons of makeup? Is there anyone we could declare war on before November, just in case ratings dip again? Surely there are some hospitals to bomb or foreign children somewhere as need killing in a hurry. We need panache, not results.

:rolleyes:
Or maybe just learn to play the saxophone.

Save the children.
 

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Donald Trump has been complaining that Ron DeSantis is “stealing” from him.
According to three people who’ve spoken to the former president about the Florida governor last year and in more recent months, Trump has repeatedly ridiculed DeSantis for ripping off the ex-president’s style. “There was this time, maybe a year ago, that I remember him making fun of [DeSantis] for doing similar hand gestures and motions,” one of these individuals tells Rolling Stone. “He called it ‘stealing’ from him and [to paraphrase] described it as a lame impression of Trump.”
 

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I don't see how the RNC can afford not to give Donald the nomination when he decides to run again.
If they don't, the best they can hope for is that he'll run as an independent, split the GOP vote by drawing away the "batguano crazy" base, and Biden cruises into a second term.
Their worse case scenario is as above, with the extra added bonus of Donald's followers going on another rampage... this time directed at the RNC.
 

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Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected - wapo

Former president Donald Trump said he would issue full pardons and a government apology to rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, and violently attacked law enforcement to stop the democratic transfer of power.

“I mean full pardons with an apology to many,” he told conservative radio host Wendy Bell on Thursday morning.

And the rest of the GOP either cheers or yawns.
 

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That this is a democracy, used to be a very easy standard for any candidate and party.

 

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Bet you anything right wingers are going to pull out the 'we're not a democracy, we're a republic", semantic bullshit again.
Yeah, they really like to wear their abandonment of democratic principles on their sleeve these days. Nothing new though, really.
 

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Former President Donald Trump on Saturday spoke at a rally for Ohio Senate candidate JD Vance while a QAnon song played dramatically in the background, and his supporters raised their fingers in an unusual salute.

In recent weeks, Trump has amplified QAnon talking points on his social media, but Saturday night's spectacle in Youngstown, Ohio, was perhaps the clearest sign yet that he's now openly embracing the baseless conspiracy theory.

As Trump complained about Russia's invasion of Ukraine, "Fake News," and Hunter Biden's laptop at the Ohio rally, a cinematic soundtrack played throughout.

According to Media Matters, the US-based media watchdog, the soundtrack appears to be a song previously released online with the title "Wwg1wga" — the QAnon slogan.

QAnon figures noticed the song choice, perceiving it as a nod to the movement by the former president. "QAnon figures are claiming the use of the song brings some kind of legitimacy for them," said Alex Kaplan, a senior researcher for Media Matters, in a tweet on Saturday.
 

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Former President Donald Trump on Saturday spoke at a rally for Ohio Senate candidate JD Vance while a QAnon song played dramatically in the background, and his supporters raised their fingers in an unusual salute.

In recent weeks, Trump has amplified QAnon talking points on his social media, but Saturday night's spectacle in Youngstown, Ohio, was perhaps the clearest sign yet that he's now openly embracing the baseless conspiracy theory.

As Trump complained about Russia's invasion of Ukraine, "Fake News," and Hunter Biden's laptop at the Ohio rally, a cinematic soundtrack played throughout.

According to Media Matters, the US-based media watchdog, the soundtrack appears to be a song previously released online with the title "Wwg1wga" — the QAnon slogan.

QAnon figures noticed the song choice, perceiving it as a nod to the movement by the former president. "QAnon figures are claiming the use of the song brings some kind of legitimacy for them," said Alex Kaplan, a senior researcher for Media Matters, in a tweet on Saturday.
Oh God. They're using the "st*rm" iconography.

This is thinly veiled St*rmFront metastasis.

It's a combination of various violent groups to attempt to fuse their ideologies and interests. Anyone googling "the st*rm" will readily find Nazi propaganda and anyone who can find that and stay onboard, we need to be very cautious about.

They're engineering their own Nazi salutes too.

They're even gearing up to justify that whole "everyone not loyal to us gets executed" bit that crazy guy wrote about in the bad old days, supposedly from a jail cell.
 

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Some umm... let's read more posts about how Biden had the color red at his speech, while Donald Trump has apparently openly embraced Q-Anon, a fictional and unknown leadership organization of disorganization and cryptic / meaningless messages. Embracing a MadLib book would have been less disturbing.

It is hard to come up with hyperbole at the moment. I mean, yes, I could write something about Trump giving a long and thorough talk on economics, but that wouldn't be all that funny... and maybe a bit too unrealistic. Trump on the other side of the spectrum? He is bumping the edge. It'd have to be more about the GOP reactions to it.

"Trump's call for the 'silencing of woke liberals' met with some criticism by the GOP."

"After Trump's slaughter and mutilation of Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on national television, GOP members say it is too early to ask whether we should limit the power of the Presidency."
 

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Former President Donald Trump on Saturday spoke at a rally for Ohio Senate candidate JD Vance while a QAnon song played dramatically in the background, and his supporters raised their fingers in an unusual salute.

In recent weeks, Trump has amplified QAnon talking points on his social media, but Saturday night's spectacle in Youngstown, Ohio, was perhaps the clearest sign yet that he's now openly embracing the baseless conspiracy theory.

As Trump complained about Russia's invasion of Ukraine, "Fake News," and Hunter Biden's laptop at the Ohio rally, a cinematic soundtrack played throughout.

According to Media Matters, the US-based media watchdog, the soundtrack appears to be a song previously released online with the title "Wwg1wga" — the QAnon slogan.

QAnon figures noticed the song choice, perceiving it as a nod to the movement by the former president. "QAnon figures are claiming the use of the song brings some kind of legitimacy for them," said Alex Kaplan, a senior researcher for Media Matters, in a tweet on Saturday.
Oh God. They're using the "st*rm" iconography.

This is thinly veiled St*rmFront metastasis.

It's a combination of various violent groups to attempt to fuse their ideologies and interests. Anyone googling "the st*rm" will readily find Nazi propaganda and anyone who can find that and stay onboard, we need to be very cautious about.

They're engineering their own Nazi salutes too.

They're even gearing up to justify that whole "everyone not loyal to us gets executed" bit that crazy guy wrote about in the bad old days, supposedly from a jail cell.
Their allegiance with white nationalism has always been an open secret. They only need a slight veneer of secrecy to shield themselves from their moderates, media propaganda does the rest. "What, now storms are Nazis? The woke left has lost their f*cking minds, I'll comment on the weather if I feel like it!!!"
 

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I don't see how the RNC can afford not to give Donald the nomination when he decides to run again.
If they don't, the best they can hope for is that he'll run as an independent, split the GOP vote by drawing away the "batguano crazy" base, and Biden cruises into a second term.
Their worse case scenario is as above, with the extra added bonus of Donald's followers going on another rampage... this time directed at the RNC.
Yup. This.
They HAVE to let him run or forfeit the election on account of a split party.
However, He already lost that election two years ago... by as much as he won it himself 4 years prior.
NOTHING has made anyone that didn't vote for him in the past now wish to vote for him. He has only lost more votes, not gained any.
The RNC has only one way to possibly take the presidency in 2024; They have to assassinate Donald Trump, pin it on Russia or some vocally democratic retired FBI agent, and put forward a populist candidate that acts and sounds just like Trump, but with some "twist" of personality that makes him at least slightly less repulsive to at least a few key districts.
 

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From The Hill

A new NBC News poll released Sunday found that 34 percent of registered voters said they have a positive view of Trump, while 54 percent say they have a negative view of him. Trump’s favorability rating was at its lowest in April 2021, when his rating fell to 32 percent in the same NBC poll.

Looks grim for the Trumpanzees.
 

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That's why he's counting on and playing to these people.

 

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From The Hill

A new NBC News poll released Sunday found that 34 percent of registered voters said they have a positive view of Trump, while 54 percent say they have a negative view of him. Trump’s favorability rating was at its lowest in April 2021, when his rating fell to 32 percent in the same NBC poll.

Looks grim for the Trumpanzees.
Why did The Hill print a load of blank space?

This is what I see:

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I don't see how the RNC can afford not to give Donald the nomination when he decides to run again.
If they don't, the best they can hope for is that he'll run as an independent, split the GOP vote by drawing away the "batguano crazy" base, and Biden cruises into a second term.
Their worse case scenario is as above, with the extra added bonus of Donald's followers going on another rampage... this time directed at the RNC.
Yup. This.
They HAVE to let him run or forfeit the election on account of a split party.
However, He already lost that election two years ago... by as much as he won it himself 4 years prior.
NOTHING has made anyone that didn't vote for him in the past now wish to vote for him. He has only lost more votes, not gained any.
The RNC has only one way to possibly take the presidency in 2024; They have to assassinate Donald Trump, pin it on Russia or some vocally democratic retired FBI agent, and put forward a populist candidate that acts and sounds just like Trump, but with some "twist" of personality that makes him at least slightly less repulsive to at least a few key districts.
Hang on a second. If these people believe that Trump won in 2016 and again in 2020, then it follows that he isn't eligible to run again for a third term, under the term limits imposed by the 22nd Amendment.
 
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