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Trump supporters vs. Rep. Liz Cheney

 
 
 
lpetrich said:
Liz Cheney, Representative for Wyoming - GovTrack.us
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League of Conservation Voters: 1%
Human Rights Campaign: 0%
Planned Parenthood Action Fund: 0%

Elise Stefanik, Representative for New York's 21st Congressional District - GovTrack.us
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League of Conservation Voters: 37%
Human Rights Campaign: 40%
Planned Parenthood Action Fund: 15%
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It looks to me like Cheney has much "better" scores than Stefanik.

I am correct, right, that the GOP prefers legislators with LOW approval from these organizations, especially the Human Rights Campaign.
 
I was trying to find the results of the actual vote (what was the for/against) but didn't have any luck. You know any sources that show what which members voted which way?

Or is all this strictly internal gqp voting and they only share the net results at the end?

I think what's missing in that article Zipr posted is the note that Putin called (probably not personally, but through 'channels') some of those house member to change their vote because he still sees the orange shitgibbon as a useful idiot.
 
Worldtraveller said:
I was trying to find the results of the actual vote (what was the for/against) but didn't have any luck. You know any sources that show what which members voted which way?

Or is all this strictly internal gqp voting and they only share the net results at the end?

I think what's missing in that article Zipr posted is the note that Putin called (probably not personally, but through 'channels') some of those house member to change their vote because he still sees the orange shitgibbon as a useful idiot.
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I think it was a voice vote, so there won’t be a record.
 
When you are not a member of the cult you can clearly see cult-like behavior.

When you are a member of the cult you are making America great again by lying about the last election.
 
She wants faithfulness to the Constitution.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say the president cannot lie.

This is bigger than lies. This is about a president who incited treason with lies.

And a party that is so power hungry it does not even care about treason.

When you don't care about treason you are no longer a Constitutionally bound party.
 
Seeing Cheney and the never-trumpers fighting back, it reminds me of the end of the movie The Rocketeer. The mobsters who had been trying to steal the jetpack find out that the people they had been working with are Nazi agents. We get the odd scene of mobsters and FBI working together in a shootout with the Nazi agents. Guess the mob had limits to the evil they would do. And Cheney has limits to the lying and corruption she is willing to take part in or overlook. It is a pretty expansive limit, but it is there.
 
ideologyhunter said:
...what happens in 2025, if the Republicans control the House, and Congress sits in joint session to certify the electoral college results? If a Democrat has won, are the Republicans now honor-bound as Republican Liars, to lie and contest the result?
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Honor? HONOR?
You gotta be fucking kidding me. None of those jackasses is interested in anything like honor.
Each and every one of them is SOLELY interested in keeping their cushy job.
So yes - there is zero chance that they won't try to overturn any result they don't like. And their lemmings will probably bring guns next time.

Liz' most memorable statement IMO is "those who oppose the courts are at war with the Constitution".
Right now I feel like "Je suis Liz".
 
Elixir said:
ideologyhunter said:
...what happens in 2025, if the Republicans control the House, and Congress sits in joint session to certify the electoral college results? If a Democrat has won, are the Republicans now honor-bound as Republican Liars, to lie and contest the result?
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Honor? HONOR?
You gotta be fucking kidding me. None of those jackasses is interested in anything like honor.
Each and every one of them is SOLELY interested in keeping their cushy job.
So yes - there is zero chance that they won't try to overturn any result they don't like. And their lemmings will probably bring guns next time.

Liz' most memorable statement IMO is "those who oppose the courts are at war with the Constitution".
Right now I feel like "Je suis Liz".
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Republican "honor" means Trump sucking in public but doing the right thing when the vote is anonymous.
 
marc said:
Seeing Cheney and the never-trumpers fighting back, it reminds me of the end of the movie The Rocketeer. The mobsters who had been trying to steal the jetpack find out that the people they had been working with are Nazi agents. We get the odd scene of mobsters and FBI working together in a shootout with the Nazi agents. Guess the mob had limits to the evil they would do. And Cheney has limits to the lying and corruption she is willing to take part in or overlook. It is a pretty expansive limit, but it is there.
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Comparisons between the GOP and the Mafia fail in one respect.

The founder of Murder, Inc., Charles 'Lucky' Luciano, though born in Sicily was a proud U.S. citizen who co-operated with U.S. Naval Intelligence during World War II ( Operation Underworld). And top mobster Meyer Lansky was (secretly) awarded a Medal of Freedom for his help fighting the Axis.

Contrast this with the actions of top GOP leaders, especially Trump and his minions who blatantly supported Putin's Russia — one of our top geopolitical enemies — and betrayed secrets to him. (CIA lost their best deep-cover assets.) GOP leaders knew in advance but looked the other way when their friend, the evil Crown Prince of Saudi, personally ordered the assassination of a Washington Post journalist. (The Post is owned by Jeff Bezos who was Trump's real enemy in contrast to Trump's good buddy Vladimir Vladimirovitch.)
 
marc said:
Seeing Cheney and the never-trumpers fighting back, it reminds me of the end of the movie The Rocketeer. The mobsters who had been trying to steal the jetpack find out that the people they had been working with are Nazi agents. We get the odd scene of mobsters and FBI working together in a shootout with the Nazi agents. Guess the mob had limits to the evil they would do. And Cheney has limits to the lying and corruption she is willing to take part in or overlook. It is a pretty expansive limit, but it is there.
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There is this mistaken idea that Liz Cheney is Never-Trumper. She wasn't. She didn't speak out against Trump until his riled up supporters forced the evacuation of the Capitol Building. Seems like way too far to finally raise an objection, but I suppose an awakening is an awakening especially in light of how many GOP'ers have galvanized support for Trump post riot.

Her likely replacement voted against Trump's tax cut and was a moderate. And now, thanks to the magic of fascism, she went Bayley and turned heel and is now a Trump supporter, and just because of that, she is Cheney's likely replacement. The Party of Tarr and Fether is scaring me. This can go a couple ways, they dissolve in the madness, or they regain control of the country (because it was time for a change... again) and put it on a very dark one-way path.
 
So, the GOP removed her via a voice vote. There is no shame as these people can't even put their name to this disgrace.
 
House Republicans oust Liz Cheney from No. 3 leadership post - Roll Call
It took less than 20 minutes, including saying the Pledge of Allegiance and saying a prayer. LC started by addressing her colleagues.
Cheney said she has “tremendous affection and admiration” for many of her colleagues, but that the Republican Party must be based on truth to shape the future and that she would not play a role in perpetuating Trump’s lies.

“To do that, we must be true to our principles and to the Constitution. We cannot let the former president drag us backward and make us complicit in his efforts to unravel our democracy,” she said. “Down that path lies our destruction, and potentially the destruction of our country.”

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“If you want leaders who will enable and spread his destructive lies, I’m not your person; you have plenty of others to choose from,” she said. “That will be their legacy.”

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“But I promise you this, after today, I will be leading the fight to restore our party and our nation to conservative principles, to defeating socialism, to defending our republic, to making the GOP worthy again of being the party of Lincoln.”

House Republicans then removed her by voice vote rather than a full tally, which means the exact degree of support for her ouster is not yet clear. Cheney was steadfast after leaving the closed meeting where the vote took place, maintaining her stance against Trump’s lies about the 2020 election and his actions surrounding the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol.
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So it was a closed-door voice vote.
“I will do everything I can to ensure that the former president never again gets anywhere near the Oval Office,” Cheney told reporters. She said Wednesday’s vote is a clear indication of the path that the GOP is on as a party, tethered to Trump, and sent a warning to Republicans that “we cannot be dragged backward by the very dangerous lies of a former president.”
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The previous day, on the House floor,
“Today we face a threat America has never seen before: a former president who provoked a violent attack on this Capitol, in an effort to steal the election, has resumed his aggressive efforts to convince Americans that the election was stolen from him,” Cheney said. “He risks inciting further violence.”

She said Trump was on a “crusade to undermine our democracy.”
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Trump's biggest opponents and targets in the Republican Party represent pre-Trump sorts of Republicans:
How Trump is hunting down the GOP’s leading families - POLITICO - coming after Republican political dynasties: the Bushes, the Cheneys, the Romneys, the Murkowskis, ...
 
I know it was just a voice vote, but has anyone been able to find a count?

I'm curious, because not that long ago, it was about 120 - 70 in favor of Liz. I'm just curious to know how many calls Putin had to make.
 
Swammerdami said:
lpetrich said:
Liz Cheney, Representative for Wyoming - GovTrack.us
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League of Conservation Voters: 1%
Human Rights Campaign: 0%
Planned Parenthood Action Fund: 0%

Elise Stefanik, Representative for New York's 21st Congressional District - GovTrack.us
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League of Conservation Voters: 37%
Human Rights Campaign: 40%
Planned Parenthood Action Fund: 15%
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It looks to me like Cheney has much "better" scores than Stefanik.
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Better by conservative-Republican standards, certainly.
I am correct, right, that the GOP prefers legislators with LOW approval from these organizations, especially the Human Rights Campaign.
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Yes, they'd like low scores, and ES is much worse by those standards than LC.
 
The evolution of Elise Stefanik - Roll Call - "How the Republican congresswoman turned into a belated Trump favorite on the rise"

Back in 2018, ES called on Trump's EPA admin, Scott Pruitt, to resign. But when Democrats did so, she changed her mind about that. She didn't want to pick a fight with the Trump Admin. "It would be better, she said, to get more Republicans to join her call than to sign on to the Democratic resolution."

ES was elected to the House in 2014 at 30 years old, beaten as the youngest woman 4 years later by AOC.
Stefanik grew up just south of the district, in Albany. After graduating from Harvard University, she worked in the George W. Bush White House. In 2012, she joined Tim Pawlenty’s presidential campaign, and she later worked for Ryan after he became Mitt Romney’s running mate. She moved back to the area shortly before the 2014 race, using her parents’ vacation home in Willsboro as her residence.

In that race, Stefanik campaigned as a “fresh voice.” She refused to sign Grover Norquist’s anti-tax pledge — practically a sacrament of initiation for GOP candidates. Despite the carpetbagger allegations and tax apostasy, Stefanik won the GOP primary and then went on to a decisive win in the general. She hasn’t faced a close challenge since.
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When she was elected, she got into the House Armed Services Committee, and she used that position to protect a base in her district from closing. The base: Fort Drum, near the east end of Lake Ontario.
In the 2016 presidential race, Stefanik only reluctantly came to support Trump after initially backing John Kasich, who would go on to endorse Joe Biden in 2020. Even when she ultimately did, she at first declined to say Trump’s name, referring to him only as “my party’s nominee.”

After that election, she became co-chair of the Tuesday Group, a caucus of moderate Republicans, alongside Rep. Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania. Dent would resign his seat after numerous public spats with Trump and, like Kasich, endorsed Biden in 2020, calling Trump a “threat to the rule of law and functional democracy.”

Besides calling for Pruitt’s head, Stefanik defied her party — and Trump — on a number of other issues. She voted with Democrats on a bill that would have blocked Trump from withdrawing from the Paris climate accord, backed LGBTQ anti-discrimination bills, and voted against the 2017 tax cuts. According to CQ Vote Watch, Stefanik voted with Trump less than 70 percent of the time in 2019 and 2020 — the seventh lowest score in the GOP.
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Our Work: The Lugar Center - Elise Stefanik is the 13th most bipartisan member of Congress. By comparison, Liz Cheney is #421.

"Stefanik has also opposed some of Trump’s more dovish tendencies, criticizing his decision to remove troops from Syria and supporting legislation that would take a more hard-line approach to Russia and its meddling in U.S. elections."

But in the first Trump impeachment, she became loudly pro-Trump, and she has supported his claim that the 2020 elections are illegitimate.

Does Your Member Of Congress Vote With Or Against Biden? | FiveThirtyEight
While ES voted 18.8% with Joe Biden's positions, LC voted 0%.

Voteview | Search ES is very liberal by Republican standards, and LC is about average.

So one can be a RINO by conservative standards and get away with it by sucking up to Donald Trump.
 
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