Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

[lpetrich]

AOC ally pans ‘ridiculous’ Pelosi claim on climate change measure in coronavirus bill | Fox News
noting
Saikat Chakrabarti on Twitter: "I helped write the #GreenNewDeal and I think this is ridiculous.
The tiny little emissions standard increase doesn’t even do anything meaningful to stave off climate change and gives the @GOP leverage to get rid of real help for working people.
Solve the problem at hand. https://t.co/KemaYkV7gn" / Twitter
noting
The Hill on Twitter: "Speaker Pelosi: "There is a whole concern in our country that if we're giving tens of billions of dollars to the airlines, that we could at least have a shared value about what happens to the environment." https://t.co/eGCrgEbMRZ" / Twitter

AOC warns she may force House members to return for stimulus vote, potentially delaying final passage - CNNPolitics

On Wednesday, Ocasio-Cortez told CNN she is not ruling out asking for a recorded vote, which would force lawmakers to return to Washington and vote in-person, something that most members of Congress are eager to avoid amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Ocasio-Cortez said she hadn't seen the final bill text yet, "but I'm open" to asking for a recorded vote "if necessary."

Asked if she had concerns about forcing lawmakers to return, which would be an unpopular move, she said, "Of course."
But she added: "With the health risks of travel, there is no easy choice here. But essential workers are showing up and putting their health at risk every day, and if the final text of a bill is set up to hurt them, it may be something we have to do."

Nancy Pelosi prefers that the Senate bill be adopted by unanimous consent, meaning that the House members don't have to go to DC from their districts. Another option is voice vote, another option that does not require them to be present in DC for the vote.

AOC on coronavirus: Call your bill providers and ask for deferred payments

 

[blastula]

From above link,

According to The Washington Post, six of Trump's seven highest revenue-generating clubs and hotels have shuttered in recent weeks because of measures meant to slow the spread of COVID-19.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...oney-senate-coronavirus-bill-schumer-n1168466

 

[Elixir]

Tony Brenna nails it:

Disgusting Donald Trump is starving Democratic states of ventilators and masks and other anti-viral supplies if their governors are not nice to him -- especially if they complain how he’s handling the crisis.
He’s also hoarding thousands of vitally needed ventilators and supplies for when Red states need them – especially if those states can provide him Electoral College Votes.

It's the kind of evil behavior Dirty Donald is willing to impose in his desperate desire to be reelected.
He doesn’t care about anything other than his image with his Lemmings base. Americans can die by the thousands in the months ahead as long as the economy booms, and he gets to keep his White House bully pulpit – and doesn’t get blamed for disastrously screwing up the handling of the current crisis.
Experts say his dumb desire to open up America this coming Easter will eventually sicken and kill millions of Americans – and daft Donald isn’t listening to their pleas to be reasonable.

Apart from pressure from Wall Street, his hotels, bars, and golf courses are losing millions by being shut down; and it’s driving him mad. The money-crazed Orange monarch has whined publicly about the millions he’s losing because of “stay at home” health edicts from experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci.
Trump toadies on instruction from the boss have banned Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, from speaking publicly about the Coronavirus.

Fauci must go on his knees to WH bureaucrats for permission to speak on TV – and Trump’s ordered permission be denied unless Fauci promises not to be critical.
Fauci believes if Trump puts Amerca back to work at Easter, millions of us will die of the virus in the year ahead. Worse, we won’t be able to get treatment for regular health problems. Virus-afflicted patients will fill all hospital beds.
Fauci and other experts know Trump and his craven one-percenter cronies don’t care how many of us die – just as long as they’re making more millions daily.
Even more insulting, Trump supporters are telling elderly Americans they should be proud to die of the virus if it puts the country back on a sound financial footing.”You should die a Patriotic Death for the sake of your Grandchildren,” they say.

These are the Americans who fought in the last world war and subsequent wars (like VietNam) that Trump (President Bonespur) dodged. They are also the men and women who paid the most in taxes and helped build this country to prosperity -- while Trump was losing the millions he inherited and going bankrupt three times.
This Coronavirus crisis has shown just how dishonest and contemptible Trump and his administration have become. They are not even to be trusted with the trillions Congress is providing to industry and workers – for fear that they will steal much or it, or give it to their cronies.

Slow to react, moronic Trump has lied about the severity of Coronavirus, wrongly comparing it to the Flu with a one percent death rate. Experts say the reality is Carona’s lethality is closer to three percent or more. That means millions of deaths if we don’t keep people from spreading it.
But don’t look to our evil, narcissistic president for support. If it costs him the money he worships he doesn’t care about you. If it costs him power and hurts him up at the polls, he’ll lie and cheat like he's done all his life.

Donald Trump is the final ugly final distillation of American Capitalism and must be stopped before he ruins this country and kills millions of us.

Maybe two weeks after Easter will be a turning point if The Faithful respond to the Trump call to show up at church and infect each other. But maybe they won't mind when their parents or compromised siblings die agonizing deaths right in front of them, or will forget it happened a few weeks later. Maybe they won't mind being denied medical care for other injuries or illness if they have 401K accounts that are showing signs of recovery from the Trump Virus disaster by November. As Trump likes to say, "We'll see how it works out".

 

[Half-Life]

This quarantine will work. I guarantee it. April 12 we will be up and running. The cases are going to start declining in the U.S. starting around the next few days. By April 1, we will see a steady downstream and be on our way out.

View attachment 26718

This is blatant homophobia. You are using homosexuality as an insult.

You guys need to watch out for that before claiming you are the tolerant ones.

 

[Half-Life]

Tony Brenna nails it:

Disgusting Donald Trump is starving Democratic states of ventilators and masks and other anti-viral supplies if their governors are not nice to him -- especially if they complain how he’s handling the crisis.
He’s also hoarding thousands of vitally needed ventilators and supplies for when Red states need them – especially if those states can provide him Electoral College Votes.

It's the kind of evil behavior Dirty Donald is willing to impose in his desperate desire to be reelected.
He doesn’t care about anything other than his image with his Lemmings base. Americans can die by the thousands in the months ahead as long as the economy booms, and he gets to keep his White House bully pulpit – and doesn’t get blamed for disastrously screwing up the handling of the current crisis.
Experts say his dumb desire to open up America this coming Easter will eventually sicken and kill millions of Americans – and daft Donald isn’t listening to their pleas to be reasonable.

Apart from pressure from Wall Street, his hotels, bars, and golf courses are losing millions by being shut down; and it’s driving him mad. The money-crazed Orange monarch has whined publicly about the millions he’s losing because of “stay at home” health edicts from experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci.
Trump toadies on instruction from the boss have banned Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, from speaking publicly about the Coronavirus.

Fauci must go on his knees to WH bureaucrats for permission to speak on TV – and Trump’s ordered permission be denied unless Fauci promises not to be critical.
Fauci believes if Trump puts Amerca back to work at Easter, millions of us will die of the virus in the year ahead. Worse, we won’t be able to get treatment for regular health problems. Virus-afflicted patients will fill all hospital beds.
Fauci and other experts know Trump and his craven one-percenter cronies don’t care how many of us die – just as long as they’re making more millions daily.
Even more insulting, Trump supporters are telling elderly Americans they should be proud to die of the virus if it puts the country back on a sound financial footing.”You should die a Patriotic Death for the sake of your Grandchildren,” they say.

These are the Americans who fought in the last world war and subsequent wars (like VietNam) that Trump (President Bonespur) dodged. They are also the men and women who paid the most in taxes and helped build this country to prosperity -- while Trump was losing the millions he inherited and going bankrupt three times.
This Coronavirus crisis has shown just how dishonest and contemptible Trump and his administration have become. They are not even to be trusted with the trillions Congress is providing to industry and workers – for fear that they will steal much or it, or give it to their cronies.

Slow to react, moronic Trump has lied about the severity of Coronavirus, wrongly comparing it to the Flu with a one percent death rate. Experts say the reality is Carona’s lethality is closer to three percent or more. That means millions of deaths if we don’t keep people from spreading it.
But don’t look to our evil, narcissistic president for support. If it costs him the money he worships he doesn’t care about you. If it costs him power and hurts him up at the polls, he’ll lie and cheat like he's done all his life.

Donald Trump is the final ugly final distillation of American Capitalism and must be stopped before he ruins this country and kills millions of us.

Maybe two weeks after Easter will be a turning point if The Faithful respond to the Trump call to show up at church and infect each other. But maybe they won't mind when their parents or compromised siblings die agonizing deaths right in front of them, or will forget it happened a few weeks later. Maybe they won't mind being denied medical care for other injuries or illness if they have 401K accounts that are showing signs of recovery from the Trump Virus disaster by November. As Trump likes to say, "We'll see how it works out".

But Trump is right. All those Democratic states had a chance to buy extra masks in preparation for a pandemic years ago. They refused and spent it on businesses instead. They also claim that Trump can do nothing right. Yet, now they want his help? But if he can do nothing right, how can Trump help them?

States will get their extra stuff. But, Trump is just pointing out how hypocritical they are.

 

[ZiprHead]

But Trump is right. All those Democratic states had a chance to buy extra masks in preparation for a pandemic years ago. They refused and spent it on businesses instead. They also claim that Trump can do nothing right. Yet, now they want his help? But if he can do nothing right, how can Trump help them?

The federal government outbid states on critical coronavirus supplies after Trump told governors to get their own medical equipment

The federal government is outbidding states on orders of critical medical equipment necessary to aid patients and protect medical professionals from coronavirus.
States are losing out on crucial equipment orders even though President Donald Trump directed them to get their own supplies, rather than relying on help from the federal government.
Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker told Trump during a conference call on Thursday that the federal government had outbid his state on three major orders of medical equipment.
This comes as the US is facing a widespread shortage of equipment, including basic disinfecting products, surgical masks, and life-saving machines like ventilators.

States will get their extra stuff. But, Trump is just pointing out how hypocritical they are.

Yeah, that's the important thing right now.

 

[lpetrich]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "I just don’t understand how it’s reasonable to expect what could be millions of people and small businesses, who suddenly had their incomes cut off, to pay rent, mortgages, & major bills on Apr 1st without any payment moratoriums or immediate relief." / Twitter


California governor, big banks agree to 90-day mortgage grace period | TheHill - "During a Wednesday briefing, Newsom said more than 200 banks, including Wells Fargo, Citibank, JPMorgan Chase and U.S. Bank, agreed to the moratorium for homeowners."

White House, Senate reach deal on $2 trillion stimulus package | TheHill

GOP senators strike deal to allow stimulus to pass Wednesday night | TheHill

Pelosi: Democrats eyeing more cash payments in next emergency bill | TheHill

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that Democrats will press for another wave of direct payments to Americans as Congress begins weighing the next round of emergency relief in response to the coronavirus crisis.

House Democrats had proposed a $1,500 cash infusion for all Americans in their stimulus bill, up to a certain income level — a $300 increase over the Senate package, which is expected to reach the president's desk in the coming days.

...
A short time later, speaking to reporters in the Capitol, Pelosi offered a broader preview of some of the provisions Democrats will seek in a phase four package, including more funding to protect pensions, tougher work safety provisions under the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and funding to provide free medical care — not just testing — to coronavirus victims.

Good that she's trying to do more for ordinary people.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

By the time Trump re-opens the economy, the people who have it now will have recovered since it takes about 2 weeks to recover.New cases should diminish as a lot of people stayed inside for 2 weeks with minimal chance of exposure.

Nothing's been able to take down Trump yet. This is no different.

Obama probably would've shut the whole country down and just told poor people, "buy food for a few weeks" as if poor people could afford to do that.

Assuming your depiction is right the result would be the number of cases would shoot up again.

However, the reality is both that His Flatulence didn't initiate the shutdown, nor does he have the power to reopen it. Everything has been done at the state level.

Furthermore, people are going to be scared and will minimize contact as much as they can anyway. His businesses are still going to be bleeding even if all the shutdowns go away.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This isn't very reassuring

The World Health Organisation says the United States could become the global epicentre of the coronavirus pandemic. But during a Fox News virtual town hall, US President Donald Trump said the country "wants to be back at work". "I would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter," he said. Easter Sunday is just over two weeks away, April 12. "Wouldn't it be great to have all of the churches full," Mr Trump said in a subsequent interview. "You'll have packed churches all over our country."

Infections in the US have reached nearly 50,000, with more than 600 deaths — more than 100 of them on Monday. Public health experts have warned Mr Trump's plan would be a mistake. Government guidelines currently say Americans should not gather in groups larger than 10, and should avoid dining out in restaurants or bars. But hard-hit states including New York and California have gone further and enacted their own home-lockdown orders.

This is today. This story is from today. The message just isn't going through.

We are already #1 in active cases, going for #1 in total cases. MAGA!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

what quarantine would that be, halfie? There's no national lockdown, just some states. Those that are not run by 'power of prayer' spouting morons holding elected office.
How will 'this quarantine' be effective in places there is no such restriction? how will we know, if we still don't have enoigh test kits to truly map our current position? What will be used to say 'cases are declining'? Tarot? Ouija? Scrying in mirrors?

By April 1, we will see a steady downstream and be on our way out.

How? How will we see it? We aren't testing anyone unless they show symptoms or appear on national television.
Describe, please, the path firward to acquiring these crucial metrics you are predicting. Show your sources (and be sure to identify any major arcana in your research reporting).

We will see it--hospital admissions will drop.

Where he's going wrong is thinking that it will stay down after things are opened up.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Then the other issues. Firstly, most states aren't in lockdown. Secondly, the cases don't start slowing down for a week or two after a lockdown starts. Of course, even in locations of lockdowns, there has been issues with people still getting together, so the lockdown is a soft lockdown.

Yup. I'd say there are still half as many hikes in the groups I follow than there used to be. All of the leaders I have the most respect for have canceled their hikes. In theory hiking could be safe, but around here maintaining social distancing isn't feasible.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

what quarantine would that be, halfie? There's no national lockdown, just some states. Those that are not run by 'power of prayer' spouting morons holding elected office.
How will 'this quarantine' be effective in places there is no such restriction? how will we know, if we still don't have enoigh test kits to truly map our current position? What will be used to say 'cases are declining'? Tarot? Ouija? Scrying in mirrors?

By April 1, we will see a steady downstream and be on our way out.

How? How will we see it? We aren't testing anyone unless they show symptoms or appear on national television.
Describe, please, the path firward to acquiring these crucial metrics you are predicting. Show your sources (and be sure to identify any major arcana in your research reporting).

We will see it--hospital admissions will drop.

Where he's going wrong is thinking that it will stay down after things are opened up.

The asshole just said, as in this evening he said it, that some places could open up now.

He needs to go! 25th Amendment now!

https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...e-wherever-there-are-cases-despite-trumps-vie

 

[lpetrich]

Titled link for Jimmy Higgins:
FACT CHECK: Trump Said Testing Doesn't Need To Happen Everywhere, But It Does : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR

The president talks frequently about letting certain parts of the country get back to work. But if that is allowed to happen when the number of cases is still growing, those communities could well find themselves in the same situation as New York, Washington and parts of the San Francisco Bay Area, where the disease continues to spread.

McCarthy opposes unanimous consent on $2T coronavirus response | TheHill

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said he doesn’t believe the House should attempt to pass the Senate’s $2 trillion coronaviruses stimulus package via unanimous consent, arguing that it should be debated and members should be on the record with their votes.

No hint as to whether he was concerned about how troublesome it would be to travel to DC to vote in person. A concern that AOC had expressed.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Hospitals are debating a universal "do not resuscitate" policy for COVID patients, to protect medical staff and conserve protective gear:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/25/coronavirus-patients-do-not-resucitate/

Makes sense. There's no point in resuscitation unless the underlying problem that caused it can be addressed quickly.

 

[lpetrich]

Gov. Tate Reeves Signs New Executive Order to Slow the Spread of COVID-19 | Jackson Free Press | Jackson, MS
Governor Orders Limited Gatherings, Declares Most Businesses 'Essential,' Supersedes Local Safety Efforts | Jackson Free Press | Jackson, MS

Mississippians must avoid non-essential gatherings of 10 people or more.

Suspending dine-in services at restaurants and bars across the state, instructing them to use drive-thru, take-out, or delivery services to get people food.

Mississippians must not to visit hospitals, nursing homes, or long-term care facilities.

Directing businesses to allow every employee possible to work from home.

Defining essential businesses to give clear guidance to partners at the local level and ensure no essential services are closed.

So that overriding is not as horrible as I had feared.

 

[bilby]

This quarantine will work. I guarantee it. April 12 we will be up and running. The cases are going to start declining in the U.S. starting around the next few days. By April 1, we will see a steady downstream and be on our way out.

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This is blatant homophobia. You are using homosexuality as an insult.

You guys need to watch out for that before claiming you are the tolerant ones.

Once again, you fail your Turing Test.

Which is ironic in this context, given that Turing was a victim of genuine homophobia, despite being a war hero - indeed, it's possible that he was the single individual most responsible for the allied victory in Europe. Yet he was abused to the point of suicide by the very nation he had helped the most.

Of course, you don't actually give two shits about homophobia, unless you can use it in an attempt to deflect well deserved criticism of your pathetically sycophantic attitude towards Trump.

 

[Jokodo]

This quarantine will work. I guarantee it. April 12 we will be up and running. The cases are going to start declining in the U.S. starting around the next few days. By April 1, we will see a steady downstream and be on our way out.

View attachment 26718

This is blatant homophobia. You are using homosexuality as an insult.

You guys need to watch out for that before claiming you are the tolerant ones.

Did you just say that only men can be Trump supporters?

 

[Keith&Co.]

This is blatant homophobia.

no, it is not.

You are using homosexuality as an insult.

how?
A homosexual would (hypothetically) suck Trump's dick because they enjoyed it. Like those Trump-supporting women who wore 'he can grab my pussy' t-shirts.
The insult suggests that you are sucking Trump's dick because Trump enjoys it.
Not you.
So, it works as an insult if you are hetroseckshul.
With Trump's dick on your mouth.
For his pleasure, not yours.
Because the charge is being an ideological whore for Trump's benefit, not a homoseckshul.

Dontry to keep up, Halfie.
Also, your efforts to turn the tables might be more effective if you EVER came to the defense of the gays for any reason besides to attack librrrals for being insufficiently progressive.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

This quarantine will work. I guarantee it. April 12 we will be up and running. The cases are going to start declining in the U.S. starting around the next few days. By April 1, we will see a steady downstream and be on our way out.

View attachment 26718

This is blatant homophobia. You are using homosexuality as an insult.

You guys need to watch out for that before claiming you are the tolerant ones.

Just about everyone in this forum supports your right to suck dick; you were being ridiculed for sucking that particular dick.

 

[Elixir]

what quarantine would that be, halfie? There's no national lockdown, just some states. Those that are not run by 'power of prayer' spouting morons holding elected office.
How will 'this quarantine' be effective in places there is no such restriction? how will we know, if we still don't have enoigh test kits to truly map our current position? What will be used to say 'cases are declining'? Tarot? Ouija? Scrying in mirrors?

By April 1, we will see a steady downstream and be on our way out.

How? How will we see it? We aren't testing anyone unless they show symptoms or appear on national television.
Describe, please, the path firward to acquiring these crucial metrics you are predicting. Show your sources (and be sure to identify any major arcana in your research reporting).

We will see it--hospital admissions will drop.

Where he's going wrong is thinking that it will stay down after things are opened up.

He's way wronger than that. This is the most egregious, most shocking case of abnegation of responsibility by an American president in history.
April 1 is one week from your post Loren. On the day you wrote that there were 247 new deaths in America, 68,211 cases and only 394 recovered.
Hospital admissions are no metric; they will drop to zero when they are so overwhelmed that they cannot physically admit any more patients.
(As I finished that sentence, my cell phone freaked out with the "Amber Alert" screech warning - we are now under a "stay at home" order.)

Even if truly stringent, nationwide orders were immediately issued and enforced we would see a peak number of cases over a half million in the US. Under Trumpcare we will see millions. The trumpsucking morons who go out celebrating on April 1 or on Easter Sunday are doing their genocidal part in advancing the biggest, baddest reality show in history:
The Trump Eugenics Program.

Anyone who thinks this curve is going to head down in one week, is obviously deluded:



Their ilk will ensure that when the second wave comes around late this summer (this winter in the southern hemisphere), we will reach another similar peak.



It's fairly obvious that Halfie doesn't have a 401K, or I'd be asking him how it's doing.