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Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

lpetrich said:
Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Because the “Ratings” of my News Conferences etc. are so high, “Bachelor finale, Monday Night Football type numbers” according to the @nytimes, the Lamestream Media is going CRAZY. “Trump is reaching too many people, we must stop him.” said one lunatic. See you at 5:00 P.M.!" / Twitter
Yet more megalomania.

Katie Hill on Twitter: ".@realDonaldTrump... this isn’t a reality show. Fuck your ratings.
People are tuning in because they are scared and want information and leadership during a global crisis.
Why can’t you understand that? https://t.co/R2qi1EEDt0" / Twitter
Good response to his megalomania.

Katie Hill on Twitter: "Oh my God he just laid into a reporter, a woman, and told her to be nice and to not be threatening.
The way she stuck with it and pushed him to answer was so fucking impressive and I need to know who she is." / Twitter
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Katie Hill on Twitter: "@yamiche - you’re a badass. Thank you for your service." / Twitter
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Katie Hill on Twitter: "And apologies for not recognizing you. I have no excuse." / Twitter
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SCROTUS has done this to Yamiche Alcindor multiple times, and she just continues to do her job in a professional manner. She is indeed a badass.
 
braces_for_impact said:
Frankly, I'm embarrassed for anyone trying to defend this at this point. Did you watch yesterday's clusterfuck? I watched it live as Trump accused hospitals and states of hoarding and selling supplies because the required amount of ventilators and PPE has gone up dramatically suddenly - in the middle of a pandemic.
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Of course he'd think that. That is what he'd have done if he was in the position to take advantage of the situation.
 
lpetrich said:
  • Seoul metro area 25,514,000 - 7,325
  • NYC metro area - 19,979,477 - 579

So NYC is comparable to Seoul.
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I guess anything is "comparable" to anything, but IMHO 579 isn't nearly the same thing as 7325.
 
California received "170 broken ventilators" from federal government, governor says

California Governor Gavin Newsom said the state received "170 broken ventilators" from the federal government's national stockpile in a press conference over the weekend. Many states have been experiencing a shortage of ventilators — a life-saving piece of equipment used to help treat coronavirus patients.

Newsom explained on Saturday that the ventilators came from the national stockpile "directly" to Los Angeles County. But, "rather than lamenting about it, rather than complaining about it, rather than pointing fingers, rather than generating headlines in order to generate more stress and anxiety," Newsom said the machines are being fixed in-state.

The machines were brought by truck to a facility operated by green energy company Bloom Energy, according to a press release from Newsom's office. Newsom said the machines were dropped off at 8 a.m. Saturday and will be "back into Los Angeles all fixed" by Monday.
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Opinion | Pay Your House Cleaner Anyway - The New York Times - "This is not the time to cut back."

Clint Smith on Twitter: "This point has been made but it's worth repeating: if you have someone who usually cleans your house, if you have someone who usually mows your lawn, if you have someone who watches your children you should, if you have the means, continue to pay that person. Especially now." / Twitter
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Yes: if you hire a domestic worker and have the means, PLEASE continue to pay them through this crisis.
So many families rely on domestic work to survive. My mom cleaned houses to put me through college as my dad went through cancer treatment.
Your $ keeps a family fed &housed. https://t.co/3liiWa41rV" / Twitter

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "If you don’t hire a domestic worker or would like to help them in other ways, you can support the @domesticworkers #CoronaVirusCareFund here: https://t.co/wiR0tWiu6Z" / Twitter
noting
The National Domestic Workers Alliance — Donate via AB Charities
 
(Quoting me on Seoul and NYC metro areas)
Elixir said:
I guess anything is "comparable" to anything, but IMHO 579 isn't nearly the same thing as 7325.
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But Seoul proper has a similar population and somewhat greater population density when compared to NYC proper.
 
So the COVID-19 virus hit close to home for AOC:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Heartbroken to share that #LorenaBorjas, a prolific trans organizer & Queens activist, passed away from COVID-19.
Lorena championed mutual aid in the LGBT+ community, and her Community Fund was saving lives of queer people & immigrants impacted by COVID: [url]https://t.co/q1X2Fga4WU https://t.co/VbGiYYqPTl" / Twitter[/url]

Let's see what will happen if the "die for the Dow" people start getting what they want. Will they start begging for what they think that others ought to reject?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "One of the best ways to thank essential workers is to support the fight to improve their lives.
Instacart & Amazon workers are on strike for:
- Safer working conditions
- Paid leave 4all
- Hazard pay
You can help. Skip your order today &offer to help those who rely on delivery. https://t.co/7Z3wTNB0fF" / Twitter
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NPR on Twitter: "Amazon warehouse workers in Staten Island and grocery deliverers for Instacart nationwide are preparing to strike — demanding stepped-up protection and pay as they continue to work amid the pandemic. https://t.co/IUn4d0JJiQ" / Twitter
noting
Coronavirus Strike: Amazon And Instacart Workers Walk Off Jobs : NPR

An economic slump may seem like a bad time to strike, but it wasn't for hundreds of thousands of strikers during the Great Depression. The 1936 Strike That Brought America’s Most Powerful Automaker to its Knees - HISTORY - a strike of some 100,000 workers.

AOC retweeted
Myles Miller on Twitter: ".@amazon employees at JFK8 fulfillment center on Staten Island, walk out to call on the company to protect employees #COVID19 https://t.co/gjoDgYfX72" / Twitter

Whole Foods Employees Are Staging a Nationwide 'Sick-Out' - VICE - "Workers say they will strike Tuesday because the Amazon subsidiary has failed to prioritize their safety during a period of record sales."
then
Lauren Kaori Gurley on Twitter: "The strike wave is in full swing! Whole Foods workers across the country are staging a mass "sick out" tomorrow — following strikes today at Instacart and an Amazon warehouse in NYC. I spoke to some workers about their demands: https://t.co/BOyNDc96M9" / Twitter
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "First Instacart, then Amazon, now Whole Foods: workers are withholding their labor& demanding dignity.
When people work an hourly job, it’s suggested in many ways that you‘re unimportant or expendable.
Except you aren’t. Everyone deserves safe work, paid leave, & a living wage. https://t.co/JCC7A6RiUe" / Twitter
 
Half-Life said:
Yo know why Trump always says, "No one's done more than me" or "no country is better than ours" or "I'm doing the best job of any President?" It's because he has confidence. Confident people talk like that. He's always a businessman. What's the motto of business? Always be selling. Trump is constantly selling our country, himself, his administration, the people of our country, etc. It makes people happy and comforted when they hear stuff like that.
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But his job isn't salesman, it's president. Salesmen need effective control by management or they'll fuck up a company. Furthermore, he's trying to sell himself, not the country.

How would you react if someone was selling you something and said, "This product is good but it's not the best. Maybe you shouldn't even buy it. Go with something else. But, you can buy my product if you really want to." It sounds like the person has no confidence, right?

No one wants to hear a President say, "Well I guess I'm good but others before me were better." People would hear that and go, "What a spineless weenie."
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We aren't asking him to compare himself to other presidents. We are asking him to do his fucking job. The job he was elected to do, not the job is handlers in Moscow want him to do.
 
Half-Life said:
ZiprHead said:
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And the excuse for Italy's numbers rising? How often did their President play golf? I'll wait patiently for the answer.
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How much golf he played has nothing to do with this. The problem is his denials of the problem that are shown on that list. What you're missing is most leaders fucked this up badly. It appears we have a total of 4 countries that have handled this well: Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and Israel. China messed up at first and used an awfully heavy-handed approach, but they have done a decent job. Everyone else gets an F. (Although in the worst-off parts of the world ignoring it is probably the best course of action. There are two reasons for shutdowns--to reduce the number of people who die from a lack of treatment and to buy time for a treatment/vaccine to be developed. The shitholes of the world don't have much of a medical system in the first place, nor can most people avail themselves of what exists. Delaying catching it isn't going to do anything to improve their prospects and their societies can't function in a shutdown anyway.)
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
lpetrich said:
(Quoting me on Seoul and NYC metro areas)
Elixir said:
I guess anything is "comparable" to anything, but IMHO 579 isn't nearly the same thing as 7325.
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But Seoul proper has a similar population and somewhat greater population density when compared to NYC proper.
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I think the 579 is missing a zero at the end.
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It's a math/typo error. From his source, it would be 1,115/km2 for NYC metro and 2,180 for Seoul metro.
 
Half-Life said:
It also doesn't help that China's been lying to us since the beginning about the virus. People claim "China is back to normal!" but the media doesn't show the riots they are having in the streets. "Back to normal" indeed. It's funny when people take a communist's regimes word as gospel.
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What riots?

I sure don't take their word for things, but I don't need to--my wife is from there and routinely talks to relatives who still live there. Furthermore, they have started helping other countries at this point--something they certainly wouldn't be doing if they needed the medical capability domestically.

It certainly isn't "back to normal". Arrivals are required to quarantine for 14 days, generally in government-assigned locations (cost, ~$100/day), I think that to some extent this even applies domestically but I don't know details. They also have suspended all existing visas (not cancelled--when things are actually back to normal those of us with existing visas will be able to use them again) and transit-without-visa. The only way you're getting in is if you apply for a new visa and casual travel isn't going to get you one.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
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The confirmed cases chart for the US, Italy, and Spain if people are curious about which nation has fared worse regarding rate of increase. Data is taken from Wiki.

The good news is that the rate of increase in cases in NY and NJ which is driving the bulk of cases is slowing down. The trouble is Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan are starting to jump up.
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I don't really think the numbers mean too much anymore, none of these countries have enough testing ability.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
ZiprHead said:
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How much golf he played has nothing to do with this. The problem is his denials of the problem that are shown on that list. What you're missing is most leaders fucked this up badly. It appears we have a total of 4 countries that have handled this well: Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and Israel. China messed up at first and used an awfully heavy-handed approach, but they have done a decent job. Everyone else gets an F. (Although in the worst-off parts of the world ignoring it is probably the best course of action. There are two reasons for shutdowns--to reduce the number of people who die from a lack of treatment and to buy time for a treatment/vaccine to be developed. The shitholes of the world don't have much of a medical system in the first place, nor can most people avail themselves of what exists. Delaying catching it isn't going to do anything to improve their prospects and their societies can't function in a shutdown anyway.)
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Yeah, you may be right at least in principle. I have a nagging fear that China is so heavily invested in getting their arms around (owning) Africa, this thing is going to recur and recur for a decade or more. The suffering and loss of life in Africa will be staggering - but it will probably be that regardless of whether China keeps re-exporting it unless a vaccine happens along pretty quick. If a vaccine is found, produced and proven effective before November, we're probably even more fucked.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
The confirmed cases chart for the US, Italy, and Spain if people are curious about which nation has fared worse regarding rate of increase. Data is taken from Wiki.

The good news is that the rate of increase in cases in NY and NJ which is driving the bulk of cases is slowing down. The trouble is Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan are starting to jump up.
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Appears I was wrong about New Jersey as it seems to be still climbing, just shy of 25% as of now. Michigan, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania all appear to be about 15% to 20% increases, as of now.
 
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