Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

[angelo]

You didn't answer the question, nor did you salvage your reply in any way. What would be worse about a Biden, Sanders, or Pelosi administration that would make their response worse? Complete supposition on your part? What can you point to that would lead to exceptionally extreme ineptitude in policy, ideology, administration culture, etc? You've got nothing, and the fact you didn't offer anything already reinforces that point.

Also, does this mean you are directly admitting that the Obama administration would handle this better than any of them? We certainly have real word results to point to. But I predict you do the ridiculous dodge dance just as you did in your earlier answer. Your arguments are pretty lazy for a MAGA supporter, they usually have more zeal; but it's like that with most MAGA guys on this topic. Hard to defend eh? When your president is now being set up by FOX news and AM radio saying that Trump is the best president ever IF he keeps our deaths below 200,000. Three weeks there were 15 cases soon to be zero by our illustrious leader. Talk about a shifting of the goal posts.

I take all knowledge to be my province.
-Sir Francis Bacon

Exactly what would you expect the Trump to do! A Moses like act of holding up his staff and parting the sea and stop COVID-19 in it's tracks? The Trumpet is doing exactly what most other world governments are doing and spending trillions of dollars to keep the country from complete collapse, similar as the Australian government is doing. Giving the most vulnerable people $750 payment to start with. A second stimulus payment later, Guaranteeing a $1500 payment per fortnight to small and medium companies for up to 2-3 million, perhaps more employees. Among a rush of other stimuli to try and salvage the economy. in Australia's case costing upwards of 380 billion AUD. for a total population of just under 25 million in comparison to 3+ trillion USD for 330 million Americans. The Trump has already announced much more, or whatever it takes to save America going down the gurgler. A semi senile Biden, or an outright loony Sanders lack the steel balls needed in this crisis in my opinion and the opinion of most Americans it seems by the Trump's latest approval rating.

 

[braces_for_impact]

I expected a professional and timely response using the best expertise our country has to offer. A lot of this would have been unnecessary had Trump moved quickly and taken this seriously from the beginning. There were a couple of things I can think of that he did right, but by and large his response has been abysmal. I suspect you know that, because YOU STILL DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.

But, in case you really are as ignorant as you claim, let me elucidate what was wrong with the response in a fairly comprehensive manner - and this doesn't even cover all his missteps.

For your reading (dis)pleasure: https://bit.ly/2R2PhpV

If you actually disagree with these conclusions then I expect more than a hand wave and a flippant comment. I look forward to your rebuttal of how Trump's response was superior at that time point by point in the article.

I take all knowledge to be my province.
-Sir Francis Bacon

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You didn't answer the question, nor did you salvage your reply in any way. What would be worse about a Biden, Sanders, or Pelosi administration that would make their response worse? Complete supposition on your part? What can you point to that would lead to exceptionally extreme ineptitude in policy, ideology, administration culture, etc? You've got nothing, and the fact you didn't offer anything already reinforces that point.

Also, does this mean you are directly admitting that the Obama administration would handle this better than any of them? We certainly have real word results to point to. But I predict you do the ridiculous dodge dance just as you did in your earlier answer. Your arguments are pretty lazy for a MAGA supporter, they usually have more zeal; but it's like that with most MAGA guys on this topic. Hard to defend eh? When your president is now being set up by FOX news and AM radio saying that Trump is the best president ever IF he keeps our deaths below 200,000. Three weeks there were 15 cases soon to be zero by our illustrious leader. Talk about a shifting of the goal posts.

I take all knowledge to be my province.
-Sir Francis Bacon

Exactly what would you expect the Trump to do! A Moses like act of holding up his staff and parting the sea and stop COVID-19 in it's tracks? The Trumpet is doing exactly what most other world governments are doing and spending trillions of dollars to keep the country from complete collapse, similar as the Australian government is doing. Giving the most vulnerable people $750 payment to start with. A second stimulus payment later, Guaranteeing a $1500 payment per fortnight to small and medium companies for up to 2-3 million, perhaps more employees. Among a rush of other stimuli to try and salvage the economy. in Australia's case costing upwards of 380 billion AUD. for a total population of just under 25 million in comparison to 3+ trillion USD for 330 million Americans. The Trump has already announced much more, or whatever it takes to save America going down the gurgler. A semi senile Biden, or an outright loony Sanders lack the steel balls needed in this crisis in my opinion and the opinion of most Americans it seems by the Trump's latest approval rating.

The term is preventative action. Trump closed off travel by the Chinese early and otherwise mocked concern about the pandemic because he thought it was all about him. Now we are stuck with a considerable amount of isolation time and an even more desperate race for a vaccine.

 

[KeepTalking]

How so? Trump's major reason for incompetency is obvious. He is viewing the entire situation through the lens of re-election and how this will all affect HIM. His narcisism. Combine this with a profound lack of mental ability, incredible lack of any intellectual curiosity, and complete lack of empathy, and we have a deadly mix. Add to this the lack of expertise and experience present in his administration and that's a recipe for disaster. It's a fucking clown show.

Any of the recent contenders could do better. Yes, some wouldn't be ideal, but they would still be better. Perhaps most of them would at least bother to use the pandemic playbook given to them for just such a situation.

https://politi.co/33XahUi

Frankly, I'm embarrassed for anyone trying to defend this at this point. Did you watch yesterday's clusterfuck? I watched it live as Trump accused hospitals and states of hoarding and selling supplies because the required amount of ventilators and PPE has gone up dramatically suddenly - in the middle of a pandemic. The quiet in the room is palpable as everyone sits there virtually stunned at how STUPID this man truly is. Yet here he is, leading this effort. Trump is the driver of a bus, blindfolded and smoking a cigarette bragging about how he's "the best driver, driving very strongly" while heading straight for a cliff. Meanwhile the passengers all see the impending doom and are sitting there wondering how to get his dumb ass out of the driver's seat.

So your best argument is he's still better than anyone else? Weak. So very, very weak. So weak it makes me wonder what is going on in your own mind - what motivates you to say such a dumb thing in an attempt to salvage this man? Why do you throw away every piece of common sense and completely ignore WHAT YOU KNOW TO BE TRUE? What makes someone do that? What is so important to you within this man that you would embarrass yourself and toss away any shred of dignity and intellectual credibility?

I take all knowledge to be my province.
-Sir Francis Bacon

My comment was, and is meant to point out, that as incompetent the Trump may seem be to the left leaning, it will be perhaps twice as bad with a creepy Joe, or as I said, Ra forbid, a Sanders presidency!

Your comment was pure opinion, and very likely entirely wrong. Joe Biden would have been likely to continue Obama's policies, and part of that would have been continuing to prepare for a pandemic. Sanders is a bit more of an unknown, but I find it hard to believe that anyone from either party would have fucked things up as bad as Trump has. Hell, I would take George W. Fucking Bush over Trump at this point.

As for shortage medical equipment, I know this site is like waving a cross and garlic to a vampire here, I await any refute of the facts............................https://cms.frontpagemag.com/point/...obile-ventilators-democrats-daniel-greenfield
In 2006, citing the threat of avian flu, then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger announced the state would invest hundreds of millions of dollars in a powerful set of medical weapons to deploy in the case of large-scale emergencies and natural disasters such as earthquakes, fires and pandemics.

I am guessing that is somehow meant to bolster your fatuous comment about how awesome Trump is, but the problem here is that Jerry Brown was enacting austerity measures in California at the time, and that is a play right out of the conservative handbook. The left in California did not support his austerity, and he spent the next few years digging himself out of the hole he was in with his supporters.

 

[Jokodo]

You didn't answer the question, nor did you salvage your reply in any way. What would be worse about a Biden, Sanders, or Pelosi administration that would make their response worse? Complete supposition on your part? What can you point to that would lead to exceptionally extreme ineptitude in policy, ideology, administration culture, etc? You've got nothing, and the fact you didn't offer anything already reinforces that point.

Also, does this mean you are directly admitting that the Obama administration would handle this better than any of them? We certainly have real word results to point to. But I predict you do the ridiculous dodge dance just as you did in your earlier answer. Your arguments are pretty lazy for a MAGA supporter, they usually have more zeal; but it's like that with most MAGA guys on this topic. Hard to defend eh? When your president is now being set up by FOX news and AM radio saying that Trump is the best president ever IF he keeps our deaths below 200,000. Three weeks there were 15 cases soon to be zero by our illustrious leader. Talk about a shifting of the goal posts.

I take all knowledge to be my province.
-Sir Francis Bacon

Exactly what would you expect the Trump to do! A Moses like act of holding up his staff and parting the sea and stop COVID-19 in it's tracks? The Trumpet is doing exactly what most other world governments are doing and spending trillions of dollars to keep the country from complete collapse, similar as the Australian government is doing. Giving the most vulnerable people $750 payment to start with. A second stimulus payment later, Guaranteeing a $1500 payment per fortnight to small and medium companies for up to 2-3 million, perhaps more employees. Among a rush of other stimuli to try and salvage the economy. in Australia's case costing upwards of 380 billion AUD. for a total population of just under 25 million in comparison to 3+ trillion USD for 330 million Americans. The Trump has already announced much more, or whatever it takes to save America going down the gurgler. A semi senile Biden, or an outright loony Sanders lack the steel balls needed in this crisis in my opinion and the opinion of most Americans it seems by the Trump's latest approval rating.

Trump and steel balls in the same sentence?

Is that the same Trump who behaves like a narcissistic grade schooler, actually celebrating his press briefings' TV viewership figures and comparing them to football games or bachelor episodes?

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Exactly what would you expect the Trump to do!

His job. Nothing more, nothing less. But he hasn't done it in 3+ years, so I don't expect that to change.

 

[lpetrich]

‘That's a nasty, snarky question’: Trump’s media assault rages on in midst of coronavirus crisis | World news | The Guardian - "Donald Trump’s intemperate outbursts may be a sign of a leader cracking under the pressure, if it weren’t for the authoritarian tone"

Yamiche Alcindor of PBS NewsHour put the US president’s own words to him. “You’ve said repeatedly that you think that some of the equipment that governors are requesting, they don’t actually need. You said New York might need –”

Trump interrupted twice: “I didn’t say that.” Alcindor stood her ground: “You said it on Sean Hannity’s, Fox News.” Then Trump lied: “I didn’t say – come on. Come on.”

And so it went on last Sunday. Trump denied Alcindor a second question, only for a CNN reporter to pass the microphone back to her. Later, when the CNN reporter also quoted Trump’s past remarks, the president resorted to an old epithet: “Fake news.”

His own statements are fake news?

Trump's alarming coronavirus message to America portends tragic days ahead - CNNPolitics

Stimulus checks: Here's how you'll get your cash, and who will get it the fastest - CNNPolitics

Coronavirus: This is how China beat COVID-19. Could America handle it?

Florida covid-19 cases surge to nearly 7,000 as Gov. Ron DeSantis resists locking down state - The Washington Post

Dr. Anthony Fauci describes his 'very different' relationships with 5 presidents - CNNPolitics - much better relationships with Trump's predecessors.

 

[ZiprHead]

Trump admin will not reopen Obamacare exchanges during coronavirus pandemic

The White House will not reopen the Obamacare exchanges to allow uninsured Americans to purchase health care coverage during the coronavirus pandemic, NBC News has confirmed.

Last month, President Donald Trump signaled that he was considering a special enrollment period that would reopen federal insurance exchanges, which shuttered in December after the end of the annual open enrollment period.

"It's something we're talking to a lot of people about. We'll see what happens," Trump said in March.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Florida covid-19 cases surge to nearly 7,000 as Gov. Ron DeSantis resists locking down state - The Washington Post

How many times does the GOP need to be wrong before fixing a mistake?

Apparently we don't know the number yet. I'm grateful that Ohio apparently elected a rare Republican politician who is reacting to the crisis in a relatively forward thinking way.

 

[ZiprHead]

Trump Admin Roadblocking Seniors, People with Disabilities and Veterans From Receiving Their $1200

(Washington, DC) — The following is a statement from Nancy Altman, President of Social Security Works, in response to the recently released IRS guidance indicating that Social Security beneficiaries, SSI recipients, and veterans receiving pensions can’t get their $1200 CARES Act payments without filing a tax return:

“This is outrageous. The $1200 payments could easily be added automatically to the benefits these people already receive every month. The CARES Act specifically gives the Treasury Department the authority to do so.

Instead, the Trump Administration is throwing up an unnecessary barrier that will make it harder for seniors, people with disabilities, and veterans to get the payments they desperately need. In the middle of a pandemic to which they are most vulnerable, the groups can’t afford any delay.

In 2008, 3.5 million Social Security beneficiaries and veterans never received a stimulus payment that they were owed. They were blocked by the nonsensical requirement that they file a tax return, even though they owed no taxes. The same will happen now; indeed, it is highly likely it will be worse due to the chaos of the pandemic.

 

[Elixir]

His own statements are fake news?

Yes. That's the REAL news. Not news at all to anyone but trumpsuckers, though...

 

[ZiprHead]

The moron-in-chief blamed Obama for bad CV-19 tests.

Trump blames past administrations for a flawed COVID-19 test. The test couldn’t have existed earlier

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Florida covid-19 cases surge to nearly 7,000 as Gov. Ron DeSantis resists locking down state - The Washington Post

How many times does the GOP need to be wrong before fixing a mistake?

Apparently we don't know the number yet. I'm grateful that Ohio apparently elected a rare Republican politician who is reacting to the crisis in a relatively forward thinking way.

I can count the # of Republicans I respect on one hand; luckily our governor (Maryland) is one of them. The Democratic governor of Virginia has really disappointed me, especially since he's a doctor.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Meanwhile in "Pelosi proves shes a big league'er".

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on Wednesday that President Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell "should not try to hide behind an excuse" in response to the suggestion from both the President and the Kentucky Republican that impeachment distracted the US government from the growing coronavirus crisis.

"We have a life and death situation in our country and they should not try to hide behind an excuse for why they did not take action, but it does admit that they did not take action," Pelosi said, adding, "Right now we have to work together to get the job done."

That is quality passive-aggressive stuff there.

 

[blastula]

The moron-in-chief blamed Obama for bad CV-19 tests.

Trump blames past administrations for a flawed COVID-19 test. The test couldn’t have existed earlier

"We took over a dead, barren system," Trump said. "That didn’t work, because when CDC first looked at their test, the biggest problem they had is, the test didn’t work. That wasn’t from us. That’s been there a long time. Now we have the best tests in the world."

motherfucker

 

[blastula]

Meanwhile in "Pelosi proves shes a big league'er".

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on Wednesday that President Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell "should not try to hide behind an excuse" in response to the suggestion from both the President and the Kentucky Republican that impeachment distracted the US government from the growing coronavirus crisis.

"We have a life and death situation in our country and they should not try to hide behind an excuse for why they did not take action, but it does admit that they did not take action," Pelosi said, adding, "Right now we have to work together to get the job done."

That is quality passive-aggressive stuff there.

he should be impeached again for his actions on this, which were much like with ukraine, telling states they can have supplies if only they do him a favor though first of telling him how pretty he is.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

"We took over a dead, barren system," Trump said. "That didn’t work, because when CDC first looked at their test, the biggest problem they had is, the test didn’t work. That wasn’t from us. That’s been there a long time. Now we have the best tests in the world."

motherfucker

The best tests, it can be positive, negative, both. It can be quantumly entangled with another person's results! Let's see France do that!

 

[lpetrich]

China Concealed Coronavirus Outbreak Extent: U.S. Intelligence - Bloomberg

• Report submitted to White House on China’s under-count
• U.S. has publicly reported more than twice as many cases

China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.

The officials asked not to be identified because the report is secret, and they declined to detail its contents. But the thrust, they said, is that China’s public reporting on cases and deaths is intentionally incomplete. Two of the officials said the report concludes that China’s numbers are fake.

...
Stacks of thousands of urns outside funeral homes in Hubei province have driven public doubt in Beijing’s reporting.

...
China isn’t the only country with suspect public reporting. Western officials have pointed to Iran, Russia, Indonesia and especially North Korea, which has not reported a single case of the disease, as probable under-counts. Others including Saudi Arabia and Egypt may also be playing down their numbers.

That's why I consider South Korea's numbers much more reliable than China's - SK is reasonably good at having a representative democracy, and China isn't anywhere close. Checking on  Democracy Index I find for countries in the news about the virus:

Sweden 9.39, Denmark 9.22, Germany 8.68, the UK 8.52, Spain 8.29, France 8.12, South Korea 8.00, US 7.96, Italy 7.52, India 6.90, Brazil 6.86, Indonesia 6.48, Mexico 6.09, Russia 3.11, Egypt 3.06, Iran 2.38, China 2.26, Saudi Arabia 1.93, North Korea 1.08

Coronavirus Update (Live): 912,650 Cases and 45,541 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer
SK is doing a remarkably good job in keeping the disease from spreading -- its numbers of new cases are remarkably low.

Looking at new-case rates at other nations, Italy and Germany seem to be leveling off, while the UK and France are still growing. The US is also still growing, sad to say. But Worldometer breaks the US down by states, and New York seems to now have relatively slow growth.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There's little chance of a vaccine this year, the testing takes too long.

I have to ask: is this caution necessary? Vaccines could be available on an experimental basis to anyone with a strong risk of the disease. They would be available much quicker, though at much greater risk.

An ineffective vaccine is worse than no vaccine.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

My comment was, and is meant to point out, that as incompetent the Trump may seem be to the left leaning, it will be perhaps twice as bad with a creepy Joe, or as I said, Ra forbid, a Sanders presidency!

As for shortage medical equipment, I know this site is like waving a cross and garlic to a vampire here, I await any refute of the facts............................https://cms.frontpagemag.com/point/...obile-ventilators-democrats-daniel-greenfield
In 2006, citing the threat of avian flu, then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger announced the state would invest hundreds of millions of dollars in a powerful set of medical weapons to deploy in the case of large-scale emergencies and natural disasters such as earthquakes, fires and pandemics.

Unfortunately, these days highly conservative sources have to be taken with a whole shaker of salt. Following the links back:

Much of the medical equipment — including the ventilators, critical life-saving tools that are in short supply in the current pandemic — was given to local hospitals and health agencies, former health officials said. But the equipment was donated without any funding to maintain them. The respirators were allowed to expire without being replaced.

In other words, the ventilators were used!

And the masks would probably be no good by now--the elastic would be 15+ years old, and a mask without decent elastic is useless.