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Trump VS COVID-19 Threat

Is it me or is the increase of Covid-19 cases logarithmic slope has shallowed, but it is still increasing. We went from magnitude increases over a period of 8 days, and now it is slowing up the increase, but it is merely slowing, implying the peak might be a ways off still.

Yup, that's the shutdown at work.

Note, though, the numbers are misleading:

1) The only countries with believable numbers are the few with heavy testing & tracing. That does not include the US.

2) We are seeing big slowdowns in the big cities that have been shut down, but the exponential curve is only slightly reduced in the areas (almost all red) that haven't taken action. It's exploding across red America.
 
Colorado wants people to wear masks now outside. Can someone explain how a non-disposable clothe mask is a good idea? Aersols are what, 5 microns? Cotton mesh is what, 25 to 50 microns? Does electrostatic stuff help here? Granted, water isn't exactly electrostatic. Are we trying to stop metal bb's using a football helmet? Meanwhile, you are using your disease covered hands to put on and take off your mask.

Can someone explain to me how I'm wrong, please.

It looks like wearing them is a good idea. They provide some protection for the wearer and they provide a lot more protection for bystanders if the person wearing them is infected. (Remember, most infections are pretty much asymptomatic.) Thus a policy of everyone wearing masks has considerable value. There's no reason for N95s in this role, without proper fitting they aren't actually going to perform properly anyway.
 
Adam Schiff on Twitter: "Our nation is facing a crisis with coronavirus, unlike any we’ve experienced before.
The Administration was slow to respond. Now, the estimates are that 100,000 may die.
The first person Trump fired?
The Captain who begged for help for his crew. https://t.co/7VuBjDjWoH" / Twitter


Brian Schatz on Twitter: "We are seeing preventable mass deaths in the United States." / Twitter

Sailors cheer Navy captain who was removed after pleading for help with coronavirus outbreak | TheHill

Face masks: What health experts say - CNN
  • The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: "cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission." - homemade ones or cheap ones will do
  • The World Health Organization: only wear a mask if one is sick or caring for someone who is sick
  • Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease: masks are not a substitute for social distancing but a supplement
  • Sanjay Gupta of CNN: masks can keep those with the disease from spreading it

A Third of All COVID-19 Cases in one CA County Can Be Traced Back to Churches | Hemant Mehta | Friendly Atheist | Patheos - that's also happened with some churches in France and South Korea.


The New York Times on Twitter: "A landlord with 18 apartment buildings in New York City waived April rent for his 200 to 300 tenants because of the coronavirus pandemic. “I told them just to look out for your neighbor and make sure that everyone has food on their table," he said. https://t.co/fUY1AG7Y8t" / Twitter
noting
This Brooklyn Landlord Just Canceled Rent for Hundreds of Tenants - The New York Times
 
Jeffrey Stein on Twitter: "Some Sanders demands for "phase 4" of coronavirus response:
-- $2K/person payments *every month* - 100% universal;
-- Medicare pays all health expenses during pandemic;
-- Suspend rent/mortgage/medical/student&debt payments for 4 months;
-- Hazard pay 4 frontline workers" / Twitter


From Bernie Sanders: Priorities for the Next Coronavirus Relief Package

Trump’s federal response to coronavirus is nowhere to be found - Vox - "In the face of the coronavirus pandemic, our federal government, led by Donald Trump, has essentially abdicated its traditional role of spearheading a coordinated response."
David Schleicher, a Yale Law School professor who studies federalism and comparative issues, notes that “in most countries — as far as I can tell — the crisis has led to centralization of authority, both towards the national government and towards the chief executive,” which is the historical pattern in the United States. But now in America, while state governments have moved to centralize authorities rather than allow an uncoordinated response, the federal government has been absent.

Politico’s John Harris calls Trump “an authoritarian weakman” in contrast to someone like Hungary’s Viktor Orbán, who is using the outbreak to further neuter his country’s democracy.

But it’s not as if Trump is acting out of some high-minded opposition to self-aggrandizement. He’s made himself the star of the television version of the federal response, bragged about his ratings, and boasted that he is now “number one on Facebook” (in fact, Barack Obama has nearly 25 million more followers). Nor has he been above meddling in pursuit of partisan political objectives. Rather, as Schleicher says, the core to Trump’s approach is that he is “seeking to avoid responsibility and blame rather than assert control,” an instinct that’s reinforced by the conservative ideology of his top aides and major donors.
He likes the appearance of being a heroic leader rather than doing the actual work of leadership.

There's also an element of partisanship, doling out aid only to those that he thinks of as his supporters.

I think that future generations will consider Trump the absolute worst president ever.
 
Colorado wants people to wear masks now outside. Can someone explain how a non-disposable clothe mask is a good idea? Aersols are what, 5 microns? Cotton mesh is what, 25 to 50 microns? Does electrostatic stuff help here? Granted, water isn't exactly electrostatic. Are we trying to stop metal bb's using a football helmet? Meanwhile, you are using your disease covered hands to put on and take off your mask.

Can someone explain to me how I'm wrong, please.

They are useful where the possibility exists that there are asymptomatic carriers. Most transmissions are not aerosols but by droplets, many or most of which will be trapped by the cloth mask on exhalation by the carrier, and may also help protect a wearer from inhaling some of it. At least that's the official line being disseminated by colorado.gov.
" If you are wearing a mask, you may be preventing yourself from spreading it, even if you don't know you have it,” Polis said."

Even a completely useless mask (that stops nothing in either direction) is an effective reminder to everyone who sees somebody wearing it that we are in a pandemic, and can serve to inspire distancing, hand washing, sanitizer use, and other genuinely effective behaviours.

In fact, a lot of the measures that are being put in place are only really effective in this way. But that's fine - if it's crazy but it works, then it's not crazy.
 
Hopefully this isn't another hoax.....................................https://gellerreport.com/2020/04/hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-works.html/

“This is the Beginning of the End of the Pandemic” – Dr. Stephen Smith Announces Hydroxy-Choloroquine Study that is “Game Changer” in Battle Against Coronavirus (VIDEO)

Well, if Dr Oz approves.

Remember, the right-wing is against Governments picking winners and losers, or being in charge of paying for the national health care system, but if Pres. Trump gets a tingly sensation over a medication, get ready to sold hard on that ‘miracle cure’ as if it were from Jesus.

There's no such thing as " picking winners." The winner would be the world community were a cure, or at least a treatment be discovered. There are various government as well as privately funded scientific labs working on a vaccine throughout the Western world at least.

Methinks were the US trials to prove successful in making a vaccine, the left would be devastated in case it would help re-elect the Donald. The left would rather see people die if it helps their cause! Is that the depravity the Dems have slunk to?
 
Trump administration cut pandemic early warning program in September

The Trump administration decided to end a $200m early warning program designed to alert it to potential pandemics just three months before it is believed Covid-19 began infecting people in China.

The project, called Predict, had been run by the US Agency for International Development since 2009. It had identified more than 160 different coronaviruses that had the potential to develop into pandemics, including a virus that is considered the closest known relative to Covid-19.

A decision to wind down the program was made, however, in September, just three months before the first reports of people becoming infected with Covid-19 in Wuhan, China. The end of the program saw the departure of dozens of scientists and analysts working to identify potential pandemics in countries around the world, including China.
 
Hopefully this isn't another hoax.....................................https://gellerreport.com/2020/04/hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-works.html/

“This is the Beginning of the End of the Pandemic” – Dr. Stephen Smith Announces Hydroxy-Choloroquine Study that is “Game Changer” in Battle Against Coronavirus (VIDEO)

Well, if Dr Oz approves.

Remember, the right-wing is against Governments picking winners and losers, or being in charge of paying for the national health care system, but if Pres. Trump gets a tingly sensation over a medication, get ready to sold hard on that ‘miracle cure’ as if it were from Jesus.

There's no such thing as " picking winners." The winner would be the world community were a cure, or at least a treatment be discovered. There are various government as well as privately funded scientific labs working on a vaccine throughout the Western world at least.

Methinks were the US trials to prove successful in making a vaccine, the left would be devastated in case it would help re-elect the Donald. The left would rather see people die if it helps their cause! Is that the depravity the Dems have slunk to?

Man the bullshit is just flinging at record levels. Trump isn’t a doctor. Almost all doctors don’t think it will work. And people are being used as needless guinea pigs for a medication that won’t work, clogging up the chances to actually find a treatment.

It is migraine inducing madness.
 
Yeah. Trumps not running for president off his slobbering counter opinions all over this virus on two hour "information reports" on coronavirus.

Yeah, Get the CDC to agree to mask wearing by citizens after rumoring it would be a good thing for two weeks. Then the big fat bag opiniones "I'm not gonna wear one" after doctors compromise and suggest even cloth mask wearing would be helpful. Trump does so puts guidance in the way of keeping profiteering down while keeping up his cotrarian posturing.

Yeah. What a turd. Finding new ways to FU recovery six times a day.

Why doesn't he just get them up there to point their fingers in multiple directions so we know we're being confused.

Leadership. The art of the steal.

Wow. What a leader.
 
I didn't remember this, but just wow on the handling of the former passengers of the cruise ship Costa Luminosa being flown back from France:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/us/costa-luminosa-passengers-ordeal/index.html
Sheehan and his wife had set sail from South Florida on March 5. But their cruise to Puerto Rico, Antigua, Spain and France appeared doomed from the start.
Three days into it, on March 8, a husband and wife who had coronavirus symptoms disembarked in Puerto Rico.
On March 12, the government of the Cayman Islands said a man who'd left the cruise ship on an earlier voyage in late February with flu-like symptoms tested positive for coronavirus. He was the Cayman Islands' first confirmed case, and died days later.

Then on March 13, the cruise ship said it got confirmation that the woman who had disembarked in Puerto Rico tested positive and officials notified those aboard, multiple passengers told CNN. A week later, she died.
<snip>
France granted it permission to dock in Marseille on March 19. The cruise line notified Americans and Canadians that it had planned a charter airplane to take them to Atlanta.
Costa coordinated the flight along with the French government and health authorities, Carnival said. The State Department, which has worked to repatriate Americans, also told CNN that the cruise line arranged for the flight.
Sheehan and more than 350 Americans and Canadians were loaded on buses, where they waited for hours before boarding the chartered overnight flight to Atlanta.
<snip-March 20>
At the cargo area where the plane landed, passengers were met by health officials in hazmat suits, Bradbury said. They got a temperature check and a visual assessment, along with paperwork asking whether someone had a cough, a sore throat or other ailments associated with coronavirus, she said.
Those with signs of possible illness were taken into a separate room while those with no symptoms headed to customs, and were later put in buses that dropped them off near a terminal, Bradbury said. From there, they were all told to go in and get their bags.
<snip>
"We're thinking someone is going to be meeting us ... nope. You just walk in and you're in the terminal with everybody else. We were shocked," Bradbury said.
Several passengers told CNN they were allowed to wander around inside the airport, including at least one person who was symptomatic.
So where was Pompeo and his State Dept? Where was the fucking quarantine? Where was the Clown Car Administration?
 
Trump’s biggest 2020 pitch disintegrates - POLITICO - the economy: low unemployment and high stock values.
Trump will head into reelection as the economy struggles to dig out of a deep recession that some economists fear could become a depression. The pieces are in place for Trump to wind up like Herbert Hoover, who saw his presidency destroyed by the Depression and his response. Trump’s challenge will be to quickly reverse that impression by rallying Republicans to enact even more deficit-fueled spending and social programs, forcing the president to appear more like Franklin D. Roosevelt and less like the smaller-government conservatives who helped fuel his rise to the White House.

“The economic and social underpinnings of the Trump era are giving way to the economic logic of pandemics,” said Joseph Brusuelas, chief economist at financial firm RSM U.S. “In a clear-eyed, sober assessment, if on November 3, 2020 there are more than 100,000 dead and the unemployment rate is at 15 percent, Trump is not going to get reelected. We could resurrect George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and I doubt they could survive that either.”
Trump wants to ride the continuing wave of recovery from the Great Recession of 2008 and brag that it shows what an economics genius he is. He wants to give the impression that he spends 12 hours a day on managing the US economy.
 
Ilhan Omar challenger rips 'sidekick' AOC for stoking 'racial grievance' during coronavirus pandemic

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "COVID deaths are disproportionately spiking in Black + Brown communities.
Why? Because the chronic toll of redlining, environmental racism, wealth gap, etc. ARE underlying health conditions.
Inequality is a comorbidity. COVID relief should be drafted with a lens of reparations." / Twitter


One of IO's challengers responded:
Dalia al-Aqidi on Twitter: "Where is the evidence for this?
AOC and her sidekick Ilhan Omar do nothing but tear at the fabric of America, and stoke racial grievance. It does nothing but set is against each other. We can’t afford that now.
Hasn’t America had enough of this? https://t.co/kqv9n0asr6" / Twitter


Laura Ingraham on Twitter: "The Doctor of Mixology will save us! https://t.co/I6mH9tGyFj" / Twitter
Referring to AOC's well-known pre-politics occupation.

She responded
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Didn’t you just put a doctor on your show who faked their employment at Lenox Hill hospital and touted a COVID “treatment” that you tweeted & Twitter had to remove because a man may have died trying self-administer it?
I’m sorry, why are you on TV again? https://t.co/Lfc6RvtBDS" / Twitter


Twitter: Laura Ingraham tweet broke rules against coronavirus misinformation - POLITICO - "Ingraham tweeted praise for hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug championed by the president as a potential treatment for the virus."

Twitter Deletes Fox News Star Laura Ingraham’s ‘Misleading’ Post Touting Coronavirus Cure - "The Fox News host boosted the claim of a “Lazarus”-like patient resurrection from a doctor whom she repeatedly misrepresented as working at an NYC hospital."

CDC warns against using form of chloroquine that killed man, sickened his wife

However, the malaria bug is VERY different from the COVID-19 bug -- a cellular organism vs. something that biologists argue about whether it should be considered alive.

LI responded:
Laura Ingraham on Twitter: "Typical liberal. Doesn’t know the meaning of the phrase “admitting privileges” versus “employed by”—maligning a man who has spent his life teaching and saving lives of late stage cancer patients. https://t.co/omIV4IMlM7" / Twitter
 
COVID-19 Projections

Expected peak resource use: April 15, 2020

The expected peak resource dates by state:
  • New York State: April 9
  • Washington State: April 11
  • California: April 26
  • Michigan: April 9
  • Minnesota: April 22
  • Colorado: April 17
  • Kentucky: May 16
  • South Carolina: April 28
  • Florida: May 3
  • Texas: May 6
This may be overly optimistic, but it does suggest that the pandemic will be in full force for at least the next couple of months.
 
COVID-19 Projections

Expected peak resource use: April 15, 2020

The expected peak resource dates by state:
  • New York State: April 9
  • Washington State: April 11
  • California: April 26
  • Michigan: April 9
  • Minnesota: April 22
  • Colorado: April 17
  • Kentucky: May 16
  • South Carolina: April 28
  • Florida: May 3
  • Texas: May 6
This may be overly optimistic, but it does suggest that the pandemic will be in full force for at least the next couple of months.

Quite optimistic if early results are any indicator. The daily deaths graph was real-time data through 4-1. After two days of projections, we're almost a full day ahead those projections. That means we're tracking at the upper limit of the pink area, the top end of the bounds of the projections ...

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My opinion is that the Republican Governors who are late to the reality party are going to put a real long tail on that picture, running way off the page to the right.
 
Kate Brown, Governor of Oregon:
Governor Kate Brown on Twitter: "New York needs more ventilators, and we are answering their call for help.
We'll be sending 140 ventilators to help NY because Oregon is in a better position right now. We must do all that we can to help those on the front lines of this response." / Twitter

then
Governor Kate Brown on Twitter: "Oregon doesn't have everything we need to fight COVID-19 — we need more PPE and testing — but we can help today with ventilators. We are all in this together." / Twitter

I currently live in Oregon, and it's good that my state's governor is so commendably public-spirited.


New York's coronavirus apex is likely to hit in the next WEEK as 630 die in one day | Daily Mail Online
New York's coronavirus apex is likely to hit in the next WEEK as 630 die in one day while Governor Cuomo reveals China facilitated donation of 1,000 ventilators and Long Island makes up almost quarter of state's hospitalizations
  • New York now has 113,704 confirmed cases of coronavirus and 3,565 deaths, with most in NYC
  • Governor Andrew Cuomo said Saturday that Alibaba founders are sending 1,000 ventilators to New York
  • The state of Oregon is also lending New York 140 ventilators as cases continue to increase in the epicenter
  • Cuomo said different statistical models show the apex of cases hitting in roughly seven days
  • Long Island is a worrying emerging hotspot with nearly a quarter of the state's hospitalizations
  • It's unclear whether New Yorkers fleeing the city are the reason for the spike in Long Island cases

Trump spars with governors over coronavirus response, contradicts self - thus acting far from his own self-description of "stable genius".
Now, the president finds himself clashing with some state officials who say they aren’t receiving enough support from the federal government to handle the strain the outbreaks have caused on their health care systems, while Trump continues to tout the job he’s done to support states and say some “got off to a very late start.”
 
However, the malaria bug is VERY different from the COVID-19 bug -- a cellular organism vs. something that biologists argue about whether it should be considered alive.

That's not really relevant though, some compounds can work against both. Chloroquine has previously shown antiviral effects. It could work on this, but nobody knows that yet. That's the problem, it's being touted as a the "game changer" "end of the pandemic" without any scientific basis.

A lot of doctors are treating their patients with it now, so much so that lupus patients can't get their prescriptions filled.
 
Kate Brown, Governor of Oregon:
Governor Kate Brown on Twitter: "New York needs more ventilators, and we are answering their call for help.
We'll be sending 140 ventilators to help NY because Oregon is in a better position right now. We must do all that we can to help those on the front lines of this response." / Twitter

then
Governor Kate Brown on Twitter: "Oregon doesn't have everything we need to fight COVID-19 — we need more PPE and testing — but we can help today with ventilators. We are all in this together." / Twitter

I currently live in Oregon, and it's good that my state's governor is so commendably public-spirited.


New York's coronavirus apex is likely to hit in the next WEEK as 630 die in one day | Daily Mail Online
New York's coronavirus apex is likely to hit in the next WEEK as 630 die in one day while Governor Cuomo reveals China facilitated donation of 1,000 ventilators and Long Island makes up almost quarter of state's hospitalizations
  • New York now has 113,704 confirmed cases of coronavirus and 3,565 deaths, with most in NYC
  • Governor Andrew Cuomo said Saturday that Alibaba founders are sending 1,000 ventilators to New York
  • The state of Oregon is also lending New York 140 ventilators as cases continue to increase in the epicenter
  • Cuomo said different statistical models show the apex of cases hitting in roughly seven days
  • Long Island is a worrying emerging hotspot with nearly a quarter of the state's hospitalizations
  • It's unclear whether New Yorkers fleeing the city are the reason for the spike in Long Island cases

Trump spars with governors over coronavirus response, contradicts self - thus acting far from his own self-description of "stable genius".
Now, the president finds himself clashing with some state officials who say they aren’t receiving enough support from the federal government to handle the strain the outbreaks have caused on their health care systems, while Trump continues to tout the job he’s done to support states and say some “got off to a very late start.”

And go figure, Democrat politicians in California are praising Trump's response.

Andrew Cuomo is also an idiot by the way. He's running NY into the ground. He pumped $750 million into a failed Tesla solar plant. Just imagine if he didn't do that. Masks would be a plenty. He wouldn't be whining to Trump anymore.
 
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