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Trump worse than Hitler, Stalin, and Mao

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Two psychiatrists discuss coverage of Trump

According to Dr. Allen Frances, a university psychiatrist and guest on CNN's "Reliable Sources", Trump is potentially responsible for more deaths than Hitler, Stalin, and Mao combined. Also according to Dr. Frances, you shouldn't call him mentally ill because that unfairly stigmatizes the mentally ill by comparing them to Trump. CNN host Brian Stelter declined to challenge either of those claims.
 
I think he may have misspoke and intended his count to be a future count of deaths due to Trump's policies. I can't agree with a prediction since the future can change. But what's your thesis here? Are you trying to say the news media is the enemy of the people and Hair Furor based on an anecdote?
 
It's still absurd. If we look at Trump's long term effects, we have to look at Hitler's and Stalin's long term effects. Can you imagine if the resources squandered in World War II were instead used in a constructive manner, or not used at all?
 
It's still absurd. If we look at Trump's long term effects, we have to look at Hitler's and Stalin's long term effects. Can you imagine if the resources squandered in World War II were instead used in a constructive manner, or not used at all?

Plus, Stalin should get credit in his long term effects for stopping Hitler's short term effects.
 
Two psychiatrists discuss coverage of Trump

According to Dr. Allen Frances, a university psychiatrist and guest on CNN's "Reliable Sources", Trump is potentially responsible for more deaths than Hitler, Stalin, and Mao combined. Also according to Dr. Frances, you shouldn't call him mentally ill because that unfairly stigmatizes the mentally ill by comparing them to Trump. CNN host Brian Stelter declined to challenge either of those claims.

I watched the video. So which one do you believe? Is Trump unfit for the office he holds because he is crazy or because he is an evil conman and a spoiled brat?

Do you agree that the people who voted for him are the crazy ones?
 
It's still absurd. If we look at Trump's long term effects, we have to look at Hitler's and Stalin's long term effects. Can you imagine if the resources squandered in World War II were instead used in a constructive manner, or not used at all?

Plus, Stalin should get credit in his long term effects for stopping Hitler's short term effects.

This is all that you got from watching the video? This is what you want to discuss?

That fascism is more dangerous than communism?

I would agree with that. The far-right is much more dangerous to the world a whole than the far-left.

But I disagree that this was even a minor point in the video that is the subject of the thread and what Jason wants to discuss.
 
It's still absurd. If we look at Trump's long term effects, we have to look at Hitler's and Stalin's long term effects. Can you imagine if the resources squandered in World War II were instead used in a constructive manner, or not used at all?

Plus, Stalin should get credit in his long term effects for stopping Hitler's short term effects.

This is all that you got from watching the video? This is what you want to discuss?

That fascism is more dangerous than communism?

I would agree with that. The far-right is much more dangerous to the world a whole than the far-left.

But I disagree that this was even a minor point in the video that is the subject of the thread and what Jason wants to discuss.

Jason is so lucky to have you here. We wouldn't want a discussion about Hitler and Stalin to break out in a thread comparing people to Hitler and Stalin.

But you're letting Jason down because you forgot to silence Sarpedon. His post was about Hitler and Stalin too.
 
It’s a stupid debate. Obviously Trump isn’t Hitler and his followers aren’t Nazi storm troopers. And the left isn’t a bunch of Stalinist communists. We need to get over this kind of rhetoric as it makes it impossible to move forward. If the right really were Nazi fascists we should violently resist them. If the left were truly bent on establishing a Stalinist dictatorship, they too should likewise be resisted with all the weapons we should muster.

That being said, there are indeed parallels between Hitler and Trump that are interesting. He certainly has flirted with many fascist ideals, hyper nationalism, anti democratic tendencies, racism, and encouraging violence. But Hitler makes him look like a complete amateur. Within 2 1/2 years into his regime, Hitler was ruling by decree, had suppressed all dissent, and shot, without trial, his rivals for power. And nobody was daring to stand in his way.

The real problem is what comes after Trump. That the Republican Party will come to its senses and start nominating principled conservatives is a pipe dream. As global resources become scarce, climate change impacts resource allocation and migration, and as economic inequality heats up, Americans may very well turn to someone who will promise to truly fix everything, if he is given absolute power. My biggest fear is that a Democrat will win in 2020, but an inevitable economic slowdown results in large Republican majorities in both Houses and in state houses, and they will be trying to outdo each other on their so called Trump values. In 2024, they’ll clinch the White House with super majorities and push through a variety of changes that will ensure they remain in power indefinitely. Perhaps even Constitutional changes as well.

Things are going to be bad for a long time. Probably the rest of my life time. Eventually the pendulum will swing back, but not before mid century.

I hate to say it, but perhaps the only thing that can save us is Trump's re-election. Then he'll take the blame for the economic slowdown of the 2020’s.

SLD
 
What makes Trump similar to or potentially worse than those mentioned is that he is far dumber than any other dictator in history. All of those guys were personally driven in certain ways to assert their ideological control with some awareness of reality, while Trump's only real goal is narcissitic gratification. Their principles and values may have been sociopathic and evil, but you can't say they didn't have principles that drove them. Trump's only principle is his ego.

The real "Hitler" in the Trump administration is the GOP/end times zealots/Nazi influence over him and that steers and fuels him. Someone described Trump's mind as a jar of six fireflies randomly blinking, which is apt. He's a hammer, a blind, dumb tool, and nothing more outside of the utterly delusional cartoon playing in his head. Can you say the same about any of those others?
 
Every US President since the 1960s has had the potential to kill more people than any historical figure before them.

The question is, are they likely to realise that potential?

Since the early 1990s, Presidents of the United States have even had a reasonable expectation that they (and their country) might survive their instigation of such a mass genocide.

So the only constraint remaining is their desire to realise their potential. And that only requires that they be sufficiently stupid, egotistical, and callous.

Fortunately, Donald Trump is none of those things.




Oh wait.







Shit.
 
TDS is real, folks. It takes a willful delusion to think Trump is worse than any of those other men.
 
Trump would rather be loved than feared. He's not so nutty as not to know creating piles of corpses won't make him loved.
 
Trump would rather be loved than feared. He's not so nutty as not to know creating piles of corpses won't make him loved.

He still hasn't left as many corpses as Obama, and he's loved by a lot of people.

Wanna bet? There have been far more mass shootings in Trumps first two years as President than Obama ever did. And quite a few of the shooters cite Trump as their inspiration.
 
Trump would rather be loved than feared. He's not so nutty as not to know creating piles of corpses won't make him loved.

He still hasn't left as many corpses as Obama, and he's loved by a lot of people.

Wanna bet? There have been far more mass shootings in Trumps first two years as President than Obama ever did. And quite a few of the shooters cite Trump as their inspiration.

But Obama killed more ISIS and bin Laden. So, there probably are more corpses by him.
 
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